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"Agent Smith" |
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27 Jan 2008 03:18:22 PM |
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Actual Physics Research on Time Machines? |
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=324
Here is a very interesting biographical piece from NPR's "This American
Life," about Ron Mallett, a poor black kid who became obsessed with time
machines when he was small.
Mallett worked on the problem through college and his PhD, eventually
becoming a physics professor at the University of Connecticut, and
performed actual physics research in that area. I'm **extremely**
skeptical about the "result" given at the conclusion of the story, but the
tale is quite fascinating, nonetheless.
To play the show, click on the little orange icon that looks like a
speaker, about halfway down the page, to the left. Mallett's story is
Act II, which starts at about the 33 minute mark.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Actual Physics Research on Time Machines? |
27 Jan 2008 04:40:37 PM |
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Agent Smith wrote:
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=324
Here is a very interesting biographical piece from NPR's "This American
Life," about Ron Mallett, a poor black kid who became obsessed with time
machines when he was small.
What's he gonna do - go back in time and kill the first slave owner in
the English New World colonies? First, he uncreates himself because
all the Black trash will stay in Africa. Second, he's gotta kill a
*****: Anthony Johnson, Northampton, Virginia, 1654 (who owned *****
slave John Casor by court decree after petition). Johnson was one of
the original 20 niggers brought to Jamestown in 1619. Talk about the
pot calling the kettle Black.
Mallett worked on the problem through college and his PhD, eventually
becoming a physics professor at the University of Connecticut, and
performed actual physics research in that area. I'm **extremely**
skeptical about the "result" given at the conclusion of the story, but the
tale is quite fascinating, nonetheless.
You mean, it worked? Kewl! How many state lotteries has Mallett won?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Agent Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Actual Physics Research on Time Machines? |
27 Jan 2008 07:07:09 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in
news:479D0865.94DA6C3E@hate.spam.net:
Agent Smith wrote:
http://www.thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?episode=324
Here is a very interesting biographical piece from NPR's "This
American Life," about Ron Mallett, a poor black kid who became
obsessed with time machines when he was small.
What's he gonna do - go back in time and kill the first slave owner in
the English New World colonies? First, he uncreates himself because
all the Black trash will stay in Africa. Second, he's gotta kill a
*****: Anthony Johnson, Northampton, Virginia, 1654 (who owned *****
slave John Casor by court decree after petition). Johnson was one of
the original 20 niggers brought to Jamestown in 1619. Talk about the
pot calling the kettle Black.
Mallett worked on the problem through college and his PhD, eventually
becoming a physics professor at the University of Connecticut, and
performed actual physics research in that area. I'm **extremely**
skeptical about the "result" given at the conclusion of the story,
but the tale is quite fascinating, nonetheless.
You mean, it worked? Kewl! How many state lotteries has Mallett won?
Well, you obviously didn't play the story, or you'd know what the
conclusion was. I don't mean that it worked, but rather I mean that he
convinced the reporter who broadcast the story that it worked.
Hopefully that distinction is not lost on a deep thinker like Angry Al.
As to whether Mallett has managed to convince any actual physicists that
his time machine worked, that may also be true, because there seems to
be a substantial population of the credulous putting up with these
mistakes, some of whom are professional researchers.
Of course, present company is excluded from that group, because Angry Al
would never be so credulous as to involve himself in such stupidity.
Angry Al is apparently content to immerse himself in the stupidity that
the inverse square law of gravity needs to be measured out to the
umpteenth decimal place, ignoring that there are only two (non fiscal)
reasons why a professional scientist should want to do that, and both
are mistakes.
I leave it as an exercise for the student to identify those two reasons,
but a third reason is the fat paycheck. This phenomenon verifies the
old proverb that there's nothing quite like a make-work government job
to bring in the big bucks.
With incisive brains like that working for our noble country, it's no
wonder the Moslems are whipping our asses in the mideast. Maybe that's
why Al is so Angry, because maybe he's not mad at the world, but at
himself.
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| User: "Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum" |
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| Title: Re: Actual Physics Research on Time Machines? |
27 Jan 2008 05:55:50 PM |
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Uncle All has forgotten more N-words,
than you or I ever knewed, dood!
"travel in time" is simply an oxymoron;
one *endures* any travels. since faster-than-light travel
produces time-travel, it's just as stupid. blame it all
on Minkowski's mislabeled phase-diagrams, or
on the British Psychological Research Society's
A.A.Skwared's Flatland Society.
You mean, it worked? =A0Kewl! =A0How many state lotteries has Mallett won?=
thus:
if redshift is due to the inergalactic medium
-- nevermind the term, aether --
then perhaps quasars simply have got an awful lot
of gas immediately outside of their lightsources.
However, reasonableness argues against the presence of supermassive
black holes in incipient galaxies, much less monsters containing 500
million solar masses: first you have to form dark gas giants, then
thus:
I so agree. most of the effects of cellphones
-- knowing of no structures in the body that could
act as antennae for RF --
are sociological, as in "being tethered
to the boss at all times with a GPS,
as any phone already is."
p.s., Same jerks who give you a dirty look when you look at them
believing that they are speaking to you.
thus:
you probably believe that "capitalism" is the same
as British liberal "free trade" a la Smith'n'Marx. anyway,
the supranational corporations have largely moved all
of industry out of here, a huge part of our rapidly-
declining CO2-bootprint ... "Daddy,
why is every thing made in China,
like my boots?"
in spite of the Cheeny Administration,
the USA is still the only truly republican system (NB:
I recently learned from a Castroite, that
Cuba uses a parliamentary system,
which is easily "no-confidenced" by the CEO,
as in Blair's Cool Brittania:
the PM is not the head of state, though !-)
Failure to do so will force the imposition of trade sanctions and oil
export embargo's on the KKKorrupt AmeriKKKan state.
thus:
possibly, the salesman's dollar/time problem has
yet to be asked in a fungible manner -- a-hem. now,
since the four-color mapping theorem has
historically been approached as the (dual) graphing,
owing to the old ink-minimization solution,
maybe that's what it really is related-to;
eh?
however i dont want to start a debate about perpetuum mobile since it's of=
f-topic.
thus:
of course, Strangelove was a composite, but
you have to get into the real spirit of the matter
-- starts with an S, has two syllables --
to settle upon Szilard. now, since I actually
only saw tiny fragments of Sagan's "Weaponeers"
series on PBS, long ago, this is really based
on an article-or-three from the Larouchiacs;
just don't assume that it's wrong, any more
than Sagan's idolizing take is not even wrong!
as for Teller, it is probably so in the minds
of the artistes who made the movie, just as
MacArthur is universally trashed re Korea,
in spite of the facts and, probably, because
he would never have allowed the nuking
of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, if he had been asked....
more things that only Larouchies seem
to have even heard about.
On Szilard? I think not. Szilard was
passionately against the idea of atomic weapons
from day one, and he cajoled Einstein
Dr. Strangelove is an amalgam
of individuals like Edward Teller,
Herman Kahn and maybe a few others -
all closely connected to RAND.
thus:
Androcles may be a lard-***** cyberjerk, but
the digest in Wired leaves so many simple questions out,
in reply to the assumedly-required infinities
of this finite Universe ideal,
you have to wonder. that is, even if
you believe in "black holes of the Standard Model."
Tipler puts everything into the heretofore visible part
of Universe, like Einstein, Bucky et al, and
the assumption that the redshift is Dopplerian,
a la the belief in a Big Bang cosmogeny. as well,
he assumes that the problem of decoherence
in quantum computing can ever be overcome; I mean,
lots of technical schemes & specs have been designed
for such QC, but has decoherence really ever been
fundamentally addressed (other than a big, fat,
"it's just impossible to do this"), or sooner?
Frank J. Tipler, "From 2100 to the End of Time," Wired.
http://geocities.com/theophysics/tipler-from-2100-to-the-end-of-time....
964.http://math.tulane.edu/~tipler/theoryofeverything.pdf
DeWitt, among others. But because
these physicists were looking
for equations with a finite number of terms (i.e.,
derivatives no higher than second order),
they abandoned this qualitatively unique
quantum gravity theory since in order for it
to be consistent, it requires an arbitrarily
higher number of terms. Further,
they didn't realize that
this proper theory of quantum gravity is
thus:
origami is the n'est-plus ultra
of numbertheory, using the Pierpont primes....
you only have to know how to make paper,
or pay for it.
thus:
so, it may be simple to see that
the productivity of Fermat was not only due
to his establishing numbertheorie as a science,
but to some fundamental method. I'm sure,
Wiles's collegiate advisors, at least, would
have made this deduction, by the time
that he started on his "secret basement lab,"
in the mid-seventies, since the historiography would
have been available to them. to be really cynical,
let's say, they were the ones
to promote "le derniere theorem" misdirection. or,
was it *derriere* ??
thus:
the operating system of chess,
is the systematization of all
of the possible games that can end in a draw, or
just those that have been recorded
in games between grandmasters?...
plus, games where the first player
gets one or n extra moves, such that
he'll almost always win?...
fine, at least, it seems somewhat testable; now,
put it into a shakespearean play (that is
to say, English!)
personally, I'd guess that
any "2D" analysis is doomed to failure,
not including time as a dimension -- bogus,
undeadminkowsispeak!
thus:
anyway, it seemed that the OP did not quite
"get" _Laws of Form_, itself, before diving
into the alleged 4CT proof. well,
in the very beginning, there's a reference
to an endnote that clearly shows the relation
to first-order boolean logic and,
since that is really the same as arithmetic,
you should be able to configure it.
thus:
erratum: the Swedish Bank Prize
for Economics is not a Nobel Prize, as
you might discern from the roster
of freaks of british liberal free trade and
Chicago U. alumni, like Milton Friedman,
author of Schulz's and Sir Henry
of Kiss.*****.'s Chile experiment. so,
some bankers really are Jewish!
as for Al's Nobel,
he should really have gotten it for acting,
like a shill for Occidental Petroleum,
which made his (and Al, Sr.'s) carreer.... oh, wait;
he'd already gotten that!
No they aren't. They are selected
by the Swedish Academy of Science, and the
Norwegian Parliament. The claim that these are 60% Jewish
thus:
I looked, again, at monsieur H's "effect" page, and
was rather nonplussed by the jabber
about zero-point energy, casamir effect etc. any way,
"effects happen," whether or not H. can explain them,
which he seems unable to do, or was that you?...
what ever experimental results he has,
they hardly disprove the effect
of a 757-model missile; do they?
thus:
can you give a precis of those pages, like,
in words?... as for the idea of a missile,
whether or not carrying a 3d movie, isn't that
what a 757 diving at 500mph, full of fuel, is?... I mean,
movies are *extra*, nowadays....
why is any more energy needed for an uncontrolled demo,
since it would take much less
for a correspodingly controlled job
a la Prez Trickier *****?
My current working-hypothesis is that a missile,
carrying a hologramme crashed into the tower.
I am now sure that *no* 767 jumbo crashed into any tower.
thus:
not sure about the whole chronology, but
Nahin said that the n=3D3 proof was never found,
as typical a la Fermat, but, then, blandly assumes that
it was a different proof from the *mirabile dictu* one
from the margin -- that's silly; eh?... now,
F. put the whole "infinite decent" proof
for n=3D4 in the blank endpapers of his _Bachet's
Diophantus_, then presumably issued the challenge
for n=3D3. a long time, later,
Sophie Germaine proved the conjecture
for all prime exponents of the form, 2p - 1,
where p is also prime, pretty much ending (or,
at least, bookending) any case-by-case proofs
for further n.
without being paid-off by Oscar and Noby, c) ... so,
what was the reason for them?
--***** Cheeny, National Treasure:
Run, Trickier ***** -- Run for Indy superVeep!
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| User: "Agent Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Actual Physics Research on Time Machines? |
28 Jan 2008 06:52:41 AM |
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Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum <QncyMI@netscape.net> wrote in
news:56e7b439-6050-4060-8618-f956852dc658@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Uncle All has forgotten more N-words,
than you or I ever knewed, dood!
"travel in time" is simply an oxymoron;
one *endures* any travels. since faster-than-light travel
produces time-travel, it's just as stupid. blame it all
on Minkowski's mislabeled phase-diagrams, or
on the British Psychological Research Society's
A.A.Skwared's Flatland Society.
You mean, it worked? Kewl! How many state lotteries has Mallett
won?
thus:
if redshift is due to the inergalactic medium
-- nevermind the term, aether --
then perhaps quasars simply have got an awful lot
of gas immediately outside of their lightsources.
However, reasonableness argues against the presence of supermassive
black holes in incipient galaxies, much less monsters containing 500
million solar masses: first you have to form dark gas giants, then
thus:
I so agree. most of the effects of cellphones
-- knowing of no structures in the body that could
act as antennae for RF --
are sociological, as in "being tethered
to the boss at all times with a GPS,
as any phone already is."
p.s., Same jerks who give you a dirty look when you look at them
believing that they are speaking to you.
thus:
you probably believe that "capitalism" is the same
as British liberal "free trade" a la Smith'n'Marx. anyway,
the supranational corporations have largely moved all
of industry out of here, a huge part of our rapidly-
declining CO2-bootprint ... "Daddy,
why is every thing made in China,
like my boots?"
in spite of the Cheeny Administration,
the USA is still the only truly republican system (NB:
I recently learned from a Castroite, that
Cuba uses a parliamentary system,
which is easily "no-confidenced" by the CEO,
as in Blair's Cool Brittania:
the PM is not the head of state, though !-)
Failure to do so will force the imposition of trade sanctions and
oil
export embargo's on the KKKorrupt AmeriKKKan state.
thus:
possibly, the salesman's dollar/time problem has
yet to be asked in a fungible manner -- a-hem. now,
since the four-color mapping theorem has
historically been approached as the (dual) graphing,
owing to the old ink-minimization solution,
maybe that's what it really is related-to;
eh?
however i dont want to start a debate about perpetuum mobile since
it's of
f-topic.
thus:
of course, Strangelove was a composite, but
you have to get into the real spirit of the matter
-- starts with an S, has two syllables --
to settle upon Szilard. now, since I actually
only saw tiny fragments of Sagan's "Weaponeers"
series on PBS, long ago, this is really based
on an article-or-three from the Larouchiacs;
just don't assume that it's wrong, any more
than Sagan's idolizing take is not even wrong!
as for Teller, it is probably so in the minds
of the artistes who made the movie, just as
MacArthur is universally trashed re Korea,
in spite of the facts and, probably, because
he would never have allowed the nuking
of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, if he had been asked....
more things that only Larouchies seem
to have even heard about.
On Szilard? I think not. Szilard was
passionately against the idea of atomic weapons
from day one, and he cajoled Einstein
Dr. Strangelove is an amalgam
of individuals like Edward Teller,
Herman Kahn and maybe a few others -
all closely connected to RAND.
thus:
Androcles may be a lard-***** cyberjerk, but
the digest in Wired leaves so many simple questions out,
in reply to the assumedly-required infinities
of this finite Universe ideal,
you have to wonder. that is, even if
you believe in "black holes of the Standard Model."
Tipler puts everything into the heretofore visible part
of Universe, like Einstein, Bucky et al, and
the assumption that the redshift is Dopplerian,
a la the belief in a Big Bang cosmogeny. as well,
he assumes that the problem of decoherence
in quantum computing can ever be overcome; I mean,
lots of technical schemes & specs have been designed
for such QC, but has decoherence really ever been
fundamentally addressed (other than a big, fat,
"it's just impossible to do this"), or sooner?
Frank J. Tipler, "From 2100 to the End of Time," Wired.
http://geocities.com/theophysics/tipler-from-2100-to-the-end-of-
time...
. 964.http://math.tulane.edu/~tipler/theoryofeverything.pdf
DeWitt, among others. But because
these physicists were looking
for equations with a finite number of terms (i.e.,
derivatives no higher than second order),
they abandoned this qualitatively unique
quantum gravity theory since in order for it
to be consistent, it requires an arbitrarily
higher number of terms. Further,
they didn't realize that
this proper theory of quantum gravity is
thus:
origami is the n'est-plus ultra
of numbertheory, using the Pierpont primes....
you only have to know how to make paper,
or pay for it.
thus:
so, it may be simple to see that
the productivity of Fermat was not only due
to his establishing numbertheorie as a science,
but to some fundamental method. I'm sure,
Wiles's collegiate advisors, at least, would
have made this deduction, by the time
that he started on his "secret basement lab,"
in the mid-seventies, since the historiography would
have been available to them. to be really cynical,
let's say, they were the ones
to promote "le derniere theorem" misdirection. or,
was it *derriere* ??
thus:
the operating system of chess,
is the systematization of all
of the possible games that can end in a draw, or
just those that have been recorded
in games between grandmasters?...
plus, games where the first player
gets one or n extra moves, such that
he'll almost always win?...
fine, at least, it seems somewhat testable; now,
put it into a shakespearean play (that is
to say, English!)
personally, I'd guess that
any "2D" analysis is doomed to failure,
not including time as a dimension -- bogus,
undeadminkowsispeak!
thus:
anyway, it seemed that the OP did not quite
"get" _Laws of Form_, itself, before diving
into the alleged 4CT proof. well,
in the very beginning, there's a reference
to an endnote that clearly shows the relation
to first-order boolean logic and,
since that is really the same as arithmetic,
you should be able to configure it.
thus:
erratum: the Swedish Bank Prize
for Economics is not a Nobel Prize, as
you might discern from the roster
of freaks of british liberal free trade and
Chicago U. alumni, like Milton Friedman,
author of Schulz's and Sir Henry
of Kiss.*****.'s Chile experiment. so,
some bankers really are Jewish!
as for Al's Nobel,
he should really have gotten it for acting,
like a shill for Occidental Petroleum,
which made his (and Al, Sr.'s) carreer.... oh, wait;
he'd already gotten that!
No they aren't. They are selected
by the Swedish Academy of Science, and the
Norwegian Parliament. The claim that these are 60% Jewish
thus:
I looked, again, at monsieur H's "effect" page, and
was rather nonplussed by the jabber
about zero-point energy, casamir effect etc. any way,
"effects happen," whether or not H. can explain them,
which he seems unable to do, or was that you?...
what ever experimental results he has,
they hardly disprove the effect
of a 757-model missile; do they?
thus:
can you give a precis of those pages, like,
in words?... as for the idea of a missile,
whether or not carrying a 3d movie, isn't that
what a 757 diving at 500mph, full of fuel, is?... I mean,
movies are *extra*, nowadays....
why is any more energy needed for an uncontrolled demo,
since it would take much less
for a correspodingly controlled job
a la Prez Trickier *****?
My current working-hypothesis is that a missile,
carrying a hologramme crashed into the tower.
I am now sure that *no* 767 jumbo crashed into any tower.
thus:
not sure about the whole chronology, but
Nahin said that the n=3 proof was never found,
as typical a la Fermat, but, then, blandly assumes that
it was a different proof from the *mirabile dictu* one
from the margin -- that's silly; eh?... now,
F. put the whole "infinite decent" proof
for n=4 in the blank endpapers of his _Bachet's
Diophantus_, then presumably issued the challenge
for n=3. a long time, later,
Sophie Germaine proved the conjecture
for all prime exponents of the form, 2p - 1,
where p is also prime, pretty much ending (or,
at least, bookending) any case-by-case proofs
for further n.
without being paid-off by Oscar and Noby, c) ... so,
what was the reason for them?
--***** Cheeny, National Treasure:
Run, Trickier ***** -- Run for Indy superVeep!
Has it occurred to you to post the reference to the message that you're
quoting from, so that those of us who didn't read the same message you
did can try to puck up the threads of the conversation?
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