| Topic: |
Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Pentcho Valev" |
| Date: |
06 Mar 2006 01:42:22 AM |
| Object: |
Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein clearly states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Einstein has no more doubts: by measuring the frequency shift of the
light that reaches him, an observer in fact measures the deviation from
c=300000km/s undergone by this light.
For many years the only confusion used by Einsteinians (their arguments
are confusions) was based on the unfortunate English translation of
Einstein's book: the translator has found it suitable to write that it
is VELOCITY that "varies with position". Accordingly, Einstein's
zombies used to infer: since velocity varies, speed does not and
therefore anyone who claims speed varies simply does not understand the
difference between velocity and speed. (Sometimes Einstein's zombies do
understand the difference between velocity and speed.)
Finally, Einstein's hypnotists made a crucial discovery: In a zombie
world, the money you can extract from the variable speed of light can
be even more than the money you have already extracted from the
constant speed of light:
http://www.worldscibooks.com/physics/4114.html
http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/VSLReview1.html
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf p.35
("Relativity without c")
The situation is perfectly described by one of the victims of the
Einstein's cult, Bryan Wallace:
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm :
Chapter 1, "Sacred Science":
"There is a popular argument that the world's oldest profession is
sexual prostitution. I think that it is far more likely that the oldest
profession is scientific prostitution, and that it is still alive and
well, and thriving in the 20th century. I suspect that long before sex
had any commercial value, the prehistoric shamans used their primitive
knowledge to acquire status, wealth, and political power, in much the
same way as the dominant scientific and religious politicians of our
time do. So in a sense, I tend to agree with Weart's argument that the
earliest scientists were the prehistoric shamans, and the argument of
Feyerabend that puts science on a par with religion and prostitution. I
also tend to agree with the argument of Ellis that states that both
science and theology have much in common, and both attempt to model
reality on arguments based on unprovable articles of faith. Using the
logic that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles
like a duck, it must be a duck: I support the argument that since there
is no significant difference between science and religion, science
should be considered a religion! I would also agree with Ellis'
argument of the obvious methodological differences between science and
the other religions. The other dominant religions are static because
their arguments are based on rigid doctrines set forth by their
founders, such as Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad, who have died long ago.
Science on the other hand, is a dynamic religion that was developed by
many men over a long period of time, and it has a flexible doctrine,
the scientific method, that demands that the arguments change to
conform to the evolving observational and experimental evidence.
The word science was derived from the Latin word scientia, which means
knowledge, so we see that the word, in essence, is just another word
for knowledge. An associate of mine, Prof. Richard Rhodes II, a
Professor of Physics at Eckerd College, once told me that students in
his graduate school used to joke that Ph.D. stood for Piled higher and
Deeper. If one considers the vast array of abstract theoretical garbage
that dominates modern physics and astronomy, this appears to be an
accurate description of the degree. Considering the results from
Mahoney's field trial that showed Protestant ministers were two to
three times more likely to use scientific methodology than Ph.D.
scientists, it seems reasonable to consider that they have two to three
times more right to be called scientists then the so-called Ph.D.
scientists. I would agree with Popper's argument that observations are
theory-laden, and there is no way to prove an argument beyond a
reasonable shadow of a doubt, but at the very least, the scientist
should do more than pay lip service to the scientific method. The true
scientist must have faith and believe in the scientific method of
testing theories, and not in the theories themselves. I agree with
Seeds argument that "A pseudoscience is something that pretends to be a
science but does not obey the rules of good conduct common to all
sciences." Because many of the dominant theories of our time do not
follow the rules of science, they should more properly be labeled
pseudoscience. The people who tend to believe more in theories than in
the scientific method of testing theories, and who ignore the evidence
against the theories they believe in, should be considered
pseudoscientists and not true scientists. To the extent that the
professed beliefs are based on the desire for status, wealth, or
political reasons, these people are scientific prostitutes."
Pentcho Valev
.
|
|
| User: "G. L. Bradford" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 03:11:20 PM |
|
|
In which case, as I read the same thing you did, Einstein himself was in
error, forgetting that the speed of light (the speed itself) is a
1-dimensional. So no matter how many ways you turn a beam of light, or no
matter how or where you place yourself, it will be that same 1-dimensional
to you. Anyway, you don't see it, and an instrument doesn't measure it, at
any distance whatsoever away in space. Einstein, like so many others,
sometimes forgot that too. What is between point A and point B is not always
what was or is at point A or point B.
GLB
.
|
|
|
| User: "Hexenmeister" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 09:08:27 PM |
|
|
"G. L. Bradford" <glbrad01@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:Yz1Pf.804990$x96.537733@attbi_s72...
In which case, as I read the same thing you did, Einstein himself was in
error, forgetting that the speed of light (the speed itself) is a
1-dimensional. So no matter how many ways you turn a beam of light, or no
matter how or where you place yourself, it will be that same 1-dimensional
to you. Anyway, you don't see it, and an instrument doesn't measure it, at
any distance whatsoever away in space. Einstein, like so many others,
sometimes forgot that too. What is between point A and point B is not
always what was or is at point A or point B.
GLB
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/how_to_be_as_smart_as_einstein.htm Androcles.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 10:24:58 AM |
|
|
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1141628036.612120.149690@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein clearly states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Exercise for the reader:
From the list below, find the differences ignored by Pentcho
Valev to reach the above conclusion.
Differences between:
- students and imbeciles,
- bad science and bad engineering,
- bad engineering and bad cost management,
- honing the foundations of a theory and fighting it,
- physics and linguistics,
- an article written in 1905 and a theory created in 1915,
- understanding a book and turning its pages,
- speed and relative (aka closing) speed,
- doing algebra and randomly writing down symbols,
- real life and a Usenet hobby group,
- receiving a detailed reply and being ignored,
- everyday concepts and scientific concepts in physics,
- the three things that smell like fish,
- inertial and non-inertial,
- speed and velocity,
- an article and a book,
- relativity and disguised ether addiction,
- algebra and analytic geometry,
- kneeling down and bending over,
- local and global,
- a sycophant in English and in French,
- a relation and an equation,
- massive and massless particles,
- a Mexican poncho and a Sears poncho,
- implication and equivalence,
- group velocity and phase velocity,
- science and religion
Dirk Vdm
.
|
|
|
| User: "Hexenmeister" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 01:32:24 PM |
|
|
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:unZOf.298472$Q83.9385082@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141628036.612120.149690@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein clearly states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Exercise for the reader:
See if Dork Van de merde the slimy troll objects to someone
quoting Einstein.
Androcles.
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "OsherD" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 02:30:10 AM |
|
|
From Osher Doctorow
Pentcho Valev typed:
The people who tend to believe more in theories than in
the scientific method of testing theories, and who ignore >the evidence
against the theories they believe in, should be >considered
pseudoscientists and not true scientists. To the extent >that the
professed beliefs are based on the desire for status, >wealth, or
political reasons, these people are scientific prostitutes
The deepest problem here is arguably the difference between Mozart and
Scalieri or between Steven Weinberg and Tojo (the Japanese Fascist
leader in WWII). Mozart was a Creative Genius and believed in his
musical intuition, while Scalieri was an Ingenious Imitator and
believed in imitating the particular musical theory/style that was then
in vogue. Tojo believed in one Military theory, which is "don't ever
withdraw", and didn't believe in an underlying method which would
enable him to be eclectic or interdisciplinary. Weinberg believed in
his physics intuition and not in particular theories, and when his own
Effective Gauge Quantum Field Theory developed anomalies/paradoxes, he
gave it up and moved into String Theory (and moved from Harvard to U.
Texas Austin too where String Theory was accepted). Weinberg wasn't
afraid to admit his mistakes and change. Ingenious Imitators, on the
other hand, have "terminal embarrassment" and can't admit their
mistakes or change almost in anything.
Osher Doctorow
.
|
|
|
| User: "OsherD" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 02:58:49 AM |
|
|
From Osher Doctorow
A variety of Ingenious Imitator combined with Mediocre person is
exemplified by the trolls on sci.physics who attack other people's
ideas without offering anything of their own. Obviously, some of these
trolls are on dope while others are certifiably insane and still others
are Violence-Oriented like Tojo or bin Laden and can't do anything but
attack.
Several people on sci.physics just present their own ideas on physics
without attacking others or with minimal attacks on others, and this is
in the best tradition of science. Sometimes theories are "plausibly
wrong", such as "Magic by uttering particular words." Then one could
attack the theory, though it is preferable to attack theories or
categories of theorists than to attack particular Individuals who
believe those theories. Personal attacks verbally are only one small
step removed from personal attacks physically, just as
Passive-Aggressive people are only one step removed from Physically
Aggressive people. If the theorist is dead, as with Einstein or
Heisenberg, then I think that there is an exception since the dead
person is not a living Victim.
Science as practiced by most scientists is arguably a "religion", but
not in the sense of valuing Ethics or Spirit but rather in the sense of
being closed-minded and dogmatic and Materialist. Quite a few deeply
Religious people (whom I distinguish with a capital "R") are
Nonmaterialist and value Ethics, Knowledge, and/or Spirit. Some
scientists (the best ones) do too.
My opinion is that Religious and Military institutions are presently
more Nonmaterialist, Knowledge-Oriented, Ethics-Oriented, and even
Spirit-Oriented, than the Educational Institution or even the Economic
Institution (Big Corporations, Big Government) in most nations of the
world including the USA. Now that Harvard has ousted its
anti-Terrorist President who correctly returned the Saudi money, I
recommend that people on sci.physics oust Harvard from their list of OK
universities and choose West Point or Annapolis or the Air Force
Academy or some really Religious university instead.
Osher Doctorow
.
|
|
|
| User: "Koobee Wublee" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
07 Mar 2006 12:39:21 AM |
|
|
"OsherD" <mdoctorow@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1141633810.449018.243210@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Mozart was a Creative Genius and believed in his musical intuition, while
Scalieri was an Ingenious Imitator..."<<
Your comments are utterly unfair to Salieri.
http://www.classical-composers.org/cgi-bin/ccd.cgi?comp=salieri
"Tojo believed in one Military theory, which is 'don't ever withdraw', and
didn't believe in an underlying method..."<<
Japan fought WWII with chivalry in mind. After achieving an air and
naval
supremacy (not merely superiority) at Pearl Harbor, if the Japanese
fleet
were not to withdraw prematurely and systemmatically destroyed
everything of
military values, WWII would have a very different outcome.
"Weinberg believed in his physics intuition and not in particular
theories, and when his own Effective Gauge Quantum Field Theory developed
anomalies/paradoxes, he gave it up and moved into String Theory..."<<
Some would argue he gave up one less whacko hypothesis and embracing a
more
crazy one.
"Ingenious Imitators, on the other hand, have "terminal embarrassment" and
can't admit their mistakes or change almost in anything."<<
Indeed, well said. The ingenous imitator being indentified as another
giant
to stand on Newton's shoulder is a master plagirist. GR developed by
others
with whacko ideas leaves behind many local "terminal embarrassments" in
mathematics. After sweeping them under the rug, GR still represents an
embarassment to the religion of science. Everyone has to believe the
emperor having clothes on to advance in career.
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Lloyd Parker" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 03:57:59 AM |
|
|
In article <1141628036.612120.149690@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein clearly states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Position of what?
Einstein has no more doubts: by measuring the frequency shift of the
light that reaches him, an observer in fact measures the deviation from
c=300000km/s undergone by this light.
For many years the only confusion used by Einsteinians (their arguments
are confusions) was based on the unfortunate English translation of
Einstein's book: the translator has found it suitable to write that it
is VELOCITY that "varies with position". Accordingly, Einstein's
zombies used to infer: since velocity varies, speed does not and
therefore anyone who claims speed varies simply does not understand the
difference between velocity and speed. (Sometimes Einstein's zombies do
understand the difference between velocity and speed.)
Finally, Einstein's hypnotists made a crucial discovery: In a zombie
world, the money you can extract from the variable speed of light can
be even more than the money you have already extracted from the
constant speed of light:
Or it could be that you're too dumb to open a box of cereal.
http://www.worldscibooks.com/physics/4114.html
http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/VSLReview1.html
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf p.35
("Relativity without c")
The situation is perfectly described by one of the victims of the
Einstein's cult, Bryan Wallace:
http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm :
Chapter 1, "Sacred Science":
"There is a popular argument that the world's oldest profession is
sexual prostitution. I think that it is far more likely that the oldest
profession is scientific prostitution, and that it is still alive and
well, and thriving in the 20th century. I suspect that long before sex
had any commercial value, the prehistoric shamans used their primitive
knowledge to acquire status, wealth, and political power, in much the
same way as the dominant scientific and religious politicians of our
time do. So in a sense, I tend to agree with Weart's argument that the
earliest scientists were the prehistoric shamans, and the argument of
Feyerabend that puts science on a par with religion and prostitution. I
also tend to agree with the argument of Ellis that states that both
science and theology have much in common, and both attempt to model
reality on arguments based on unprovable articles of faith. Using the
logic that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles
like a duck, it must be a duck: I support the argument that since there
is no significant difference between science and religion, science
should be considered a religion! I would also agree with Ellis'
argument of the obvious methodological differences between science and
the other religions. The other dominant religions are static because
their arguments are based on rigid doctrines set forth by their
founders, such as Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad, who have died long ago.
Science on the other hand, is a dynamic religion that was developed by
many men over a long period of time, and it has a flexible doctrine,
the scientific method, that demands that the arguments change to
conform to the evolving observational and experimental evidence.
The word science was derived from the Latin word scientia, which means
knowledge, so we see that the word, in essence, is just another word
for knowledge. An associate of mine, Prof. Richard Rhodes II, a
Professor of Physics at Eckerd College, once told me that students in
his graduate school used to joke that Ph.D. stood for Piled higher and
Deeper. If one considers the vast array of abstract theoretical garbage
that dominates modern physics and astronomy, this appears to be an
accurate description of the degree. Considering the results from
Mahoney's field trial that showed Protestant ministers were two to
three times more likely to use scientific methodology than Ph.D.
scientists, it seems reasonable to consider that they have two to three
times more right to be called scientists then the so-called Ph.D.
scientists. I would agree with Popper's argument that observations are
theory-laden, and there is no way to prove an argument beyond a
reasonable shadow of a doubt, but at the very least, the scientist
should do more than pay lip service to the scientific method. The true
scientist must have faith and believe in the scientific method of
testing theories, and not in the theories themselves. I agree with
Seeds argument that "A pseudoscience is something that pretends to be a
science but does not obey the rules of good conduct common to all
sciences." Because many of the dominant theories of our time do not
follow the rules of science, they should more properly be labeled
pseudoscience. The people who tend to believe more in theories than in
the scientific method of testing theories, and who ignore the evidence
against the theories they believe in, should be considered
pseudoscientists and not true scientists. To the extent that the
professed beliefs are based on the desire for status, wealth, or
political reasons, these people are scientific prostitutes."
Pentcho Valev
.
|
|
|
| User: "Hexenmeister" |
|
| Title: Re: Albert Einstein: The Speed of Light Is Variable |
06 Mar 2006 01:32:24 PM |
|
|
"Lloyd Parker" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:duhim6$u9j$2@leto.cc.emory.edu...
In article <1141628036.612120.149690@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein clearly states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Position of what?
You, you dumb *****.
Androcles.
.
|
|
|
|
|

|
Related Articles |
|
|