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"Gremlin" |
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17 Nov 2004 09:13:57 PM |
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Alchemy |
I have a quick question that isn't technical in nature.
In alchemy all things are thought to be composed of either Fire, Water,
Earth, or Air... It seems whenever I am around introductory material on
physics or chemistry they bad mouth these old concepts.. "Ooh no," they
say, "Everything is made out of chemicals, not these four elements".
Well isn't it true that today we still think of 4 basic phases of matter?
Solids, Liquids, Gasses, and Plasmas? Can't physicists and chemistry
authors see how these phases directly relate to the four elements? Solids
are obvious earth. Liquids are obviously water. Gasses are obviously air.
And fire with a little thought is obviously Plasma.. Lightning is made of
plasma, so are candle flames.
So much of modern science has been based in old philisophical ideas like
these ones above, and so often other cultures have arived at the same
conclusions are scientists have. Why don't these alternative views get the
credit they deserve!?
From your Pal,
Gremlin
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| User: "jacques jedwab" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 02:55:03 AM |
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Go to www.alchemywebsite.com and be damned (sure, you will!).
J.J.
In article <Xns95A4E263F3664Test@216.168.3.44>, Gremlin
<virtualadepts.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a quick question that isn't technical in nature.
In alchemy all things are thought to be composed of either Fire, Water,
Earth, or Air... It seems whenever I am around introductory material on
physics or chemistry they bad mouth these old concepts.. "Ooh no," they
say, "Everything is made out of chemicals, not these four elements".
Well isn't it true that today we still think of 4 basic phases of matter?
Solids, Liquids, Gasses, and Plasmas? Can't physicists and chemistry
authors see how these phases directly relate to the four elements? Solids
are obvious earth. Liquids are obviously water. Gasses are obviously air.
And fire with a little thought is obviously Plasma.. Lightning is made of
plasma, so are candle flames.
So much of modern science has been based in old philisophical ideas like
these ones above, and so often other cultures have arived at the same
conclusions are scientists have. Why don't these alternative views get the
credit they deserve!?
From your Pal,
Gremlin
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 07:28:03 AM |
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Gremlin <virtualadepts.nospam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95A4E263F3664Test@216.168.3.44>...
[snip]
So much of modern science has been based in old philisophical ideas like
these ones above, and so often other cultures have arived at the same
conclusions are scientists have. Why don't these alternative views get the
credit they deserve!?
What use would it serve to teach ancient outdated ideas that are not
correct outside a historical context?
From your Pal,
Gremlin
Grr google.
3rd try! "Sorry, a system error has occurred. Our engineers have been
notified."
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 10:11:36 AM |
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Gremlin wrote:
I have a quick question that isn't technical in nature.
In alchemy all things are thought to be composed of either Fire, Water,
Earth, or Air... It seems whenever I am around introductory material on
physics or chemistry they bad mouth these old concepts.. "Ooh no," they
say, "Everything is made out of chemicals, not these four elements".
Vital Force Doctrine vs. "natural" ingredients and then
"nature-equivalent" FDA labeling requirements. People are stupid.
***** floats.
Well isn't it true that today we still think of 4 basic phases of matter?
Solids, Liquids, Gasses, and Plasmas?
Liquid crystals (thermotropic and lyotropic; calamatic and discotic;
nematic, smectic, cholesteric); bosonic and fermionic superfluids,
bosonic and fermionic Bose-Einstein atomic condensates; bosonic,
fermionic, heavy fermion; s-, p-, and d- superconductors; gels;
quantum dots and wires; low-dimensional hole and electron gases; spin
glasses; jellium; Casimir etalons and the Scharnhorst effect... solids
with levels of structure such as Kraton thermoplastic elastomers.
Can't physicists and chemistry
authors see how these phases directly relate to the four elements? Solids
are obvious earth. Liquids are obviously water. Gasses are obviously air.
And fire with a little thought is obviously Plasma.. Lightning is made of
plasma, so are candle flames.
So much of modern science has been based in old philisophical ideas like
these ones above, and so often other cultures have arived at the same
conclusions are scientists have. Why don't these alternative views get the
credit they deserve!?
People are stupid. ***** floats.
Science fits theory to observation. Religion fits observation to
dogma, with contradiction being a test of faith. Only one of them
gets you a workign flush toilet. Which one will you embrace?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Richard Schultz" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 10:17:26 AM |
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In sci.chem Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
: ***** floats.
Indeed, that's how Uncle Al has managed to become so popular on Usenet.
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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Compared with Man, we have to admit that the insect does not display what
we can describe as intelligence. But don't feel too proud about that, because
where there is no intelligence, there is also no stupidity."
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 12:48:37 PM |
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Richard Schultz wrote:
In sci.chem Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
: ***** floats.
Indeed, that's how Uncle Al has managed to become so popular on Usenet.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qzdense.png
It's amazing what one can do with a cluster of 168 Xeons and a couple
of months of donated weekend slack time. BigCHI found their defective
nodes. Everybody was happy happy.
The formal paper submits tomorrow morning. The first hemiparity
Eotvos experiment, P3(2)21 quartz vs. fused silica, completes in PR
China by New Years. Then the full parity Eotvos experiment, P3(1)21
quartz vs. P3(2)21 quartz, then the other hemiparity Eotvos experiment
P3(1)21 quartz vs. fused silica. We'll know by end of Summer 2005
whether the Equivalence Principle has a parity violation. Then Alan
Kostelecky and
Claus Lämmerzahl can wax estatic: An EP parity violation also breaks
Lorentz Invariance. Angular momentum would no longer be conserved
through Noether's theorem and quantum mechanics then needs a rewrite.
Columbus knew the apparent diameter of the Earth and suspected (with
his life!) land was periodically present. The Official truth about
India was a sales pitch. Christian navigators were limited to using
Roman numerals and Church of Rome dogma, or they burned. Jews,
Muslims, and heathen deep sea navigators used Devil's ciphers and had
access to Greek knowledge. The Inquisition gave Columbus his
circumcized crews and Spain was happy to see them all depart. Like
any Member of the Tribe, Columbus pulled a continuing fat profit where
others could only see loss now and forever.
That's you Schultz - lost amongst the others. Uncle Al is here to
conquer not survive.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
It's what's happening right now in a Chinese Eotvos balance, less an
update for the most recent quartz graph.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 02:15:41 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:419CEE85.6FA2ADE@hate.spam.net...
: Richard Schultz wrote:
: >
: > In sci.chem Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
: >
: > : ***** floats.
: >
: > Indeed, that's how Uncle Al has managed to become so popular on
Usenet.
:
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qzdense.png
: It's amazing what one can do with a cluster of 168 Xeons and a
couple
: of months of donated weekend slack time. BigCHI found their
defective
: nodes. Everybody was happy happy.
:
: The formal paper submits tomorrow morning. The first hemiparity
: Eotvos experiment, P3(2)21 quartz vs. fused silica, completes in PR
: China by New Years. Then the full parity Eotvos experiment, P3(1)21
: quartz vs. P3(2)21 quartz, then the other hemiparity Eotvos
experiment
: P3(1)21 quartz vs. fused silica. We'll know by end of Summer 2005
: whether the Equivalence Principle has a parity violation. Then Alan
: Kostelecky and
: Claus Lämmerzahl can wax estatic: An EP parity violation also
breaks
: Lorentz Invariance. Angular momentum would no longer be conserved
: through Noether's theorem and quantum mechanics then needs a
rewrite.
:
: Columbus knew the apparent diameter of the Earth and suspected (with
: his life!) land was periodically present. The Official truth about
: India was a sales pitch. Christian navigators were limited to using
: Roman numerals and Church of Rome dogma, or they burned. Jews,
: Muslims, and heathen deep sea navigators used Devil's ciphers and
had
: access to Greek knowledge. The Inquisition gave Columbus his
: circumcized crews and Spain was happy to see them all depart. Like
: any Member of the Tribe, Columbus pulled a continuing fat profit
where
: others could only see loss now and forever.
:
: That's you Schultz - lost amongst the others. Uncle Al is here to
: conquer not survive.
:
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
: It's what's happening right now in a Chinese Eotvos balance, less an
: update for the most recent quartz graph.
:
: --
: Uncle Al
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
: (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Ranting ribald rubbish rots reason, and Auntie Alice is full of it.
Androcles.
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| User: "Morituri-Max" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 12:46:58 PM |
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Richard Schultz wrote:
Indeed, that's how Uncle Al has managed to become so popular on Usenet.
So we know what you embraced... do you molest boys too or do you not accept all
the dogma of your faith?
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
18 Nov 2004 01:24:24 PM |
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Gremlin wrote:
I have a quick question that isn't technical in nature.
What the #$*! Do We Know!?
Not Rated, 1 hr 48 min
Summary: How to bring Sex into a Quantum Physics Documentary
I have to hand it to these guys -- they actually managed to bring a whole dimension of sex and a plot to what
otherwise would be a straightforward interview-the-experts discussion of quantum physics and its interplay with
spirituality and the physical body. Filled with great ideas for disguising educational material, it's in the end a
little over done. The animations were obviously costly (despite being done by a company in South Africa) and thus are
repeated over...and over...and over... by the fifth or sixth time, you're wanting to scream at them to just make the
movie shorter. And that's the thing: this movie could have been about 20 minutes shorter and been a lot tighter. It
really ends two or three times (if you include the footage in the credits) and hits us over the head with its conclusions.
Overall, though, it's pretty good. The acting in the "storyline" segments was well done, particularly by Marlee and
the kid. The movie definitely got me thinking about life, the universe and everything (to borrow a phrase from the late
great Douglas Adams.)
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| User: "Repeating Rifle" |
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| Title: Re: Alchemy |
17 Nov 2004 10:58:37 PM |
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in article Xns95A4E263F3664Test@216.168.3.44, Gremlin at
virtualadepts.nospam@gmail.com wrote on 11/17/04 7:13 PM:
I have a quick question that isn't technical in nature.
In alchemy all things are thought to be composed of either Fire, Water,
Earth, or Air... It seems whenever I am around introductory material on
physics or chemistry they bad mouth these old concepts.. "Ooh no," they
say, "Everything is made out of chemicals, not these four elements".
Well isn't it true that today we still think of 4 basic phases of matter?
Solids, Liquids, Gasses, and Plasmas? Can't physicists and chemistry
authors see how these phases directly relate to the four elements? Solids
are obvious earth. Liquids are obviously water. Gasses are obviously air.
And fire with a little thought is obviously Plasma.. Lightning is made of
plasma, so are candle flames.
So much of modern science has been based in old philisophical ideas like
these ones above, and so often other cultures have arived at the same
conclusions are scientists have. Why don't these alternative views get the
credit they deserve!?
From your Pal,
Gremlin
I don't know if you are a troll or serious. If you UNDERSTAND modern
chemistry and physics, the subjects you mention are trivialities of interest
only to arty-farty English teacher types. Lightning and candle flames are
understood at a level where the other descriptions ar meaningless. The four
elements you talk about are metaphorical rather than meaningful. It is like
applying astrology to your life.
Bill
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