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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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01 Jul 2007 06:37:45 PM |
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Alien ET Military Supertechnological Weapons 1 |
Indeed, exactly as observed in our skies the UFO will appear to
teleport disappearing here reappearing there after a time corresponding
to a faster-than-light speed as it enters and leaves weightless warp
drive befuddling the AFO Victorian Station Master.
On Jul 1, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Jack Sarfatti wrote:
Hawking and Ellis discuss this nicely in "The Large Scale Structure of
Space-Time"
Einstein's 1916 GR always conserves the stress-energy local current
densities but not the global spacelike integrals. The only exception
is when the geometrodynamic field has very unlikely on small scale
special isometries called "Killing vector fields."
... mistake is simply to use the rules of global 1905
SR beyond its domain of validity. It's as if they made a Taylor
series expansion of a complex function w(z) of a single complex
variable z beyond its radius of convergence whose boundary is
determined by a singularity (R. Penrose "The Road to Reality" - for a
review).
The warp bubble no matter how small is a singularity relative to the
rules of 1905 SR, which it violates.
The Minkowski AFO looking through the paradigm of 1905 SR will say
that there is some mysterious force field accelerating the COM of the
UFO off the Minkowski geodesic. The AFO will not believe there is no
g-force and no time dilation on the UFO. Indeed the AFO will see the
UFO vanish outside his past light cone. That is, the AFO sees a
complete breakdown of 1905 global SR physics when the UFO goes into
warp drive. Einstein-Cartan theory with both curvature and torsion
must be used. Indeed, the COM of the UFO behaves like a quantum
particle in the path integral paradigm able to take any path not
limited to the interior of its local light cone. The mysterious field
is somewhat like Bohm's quantum potential on a vast scale.
On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:20 PM, COLIN BENNET wrote:
Hi, Tim
"You're a clever man, and this is all very interesting, but just a
little theoretical to my mind."
Ufology stands and falls by one thing alone, that is the vast number of
sightings all over the world by every single culture in the world. There
are two types of Ufologist. There are those who have had a full UFO
experience and those who have not. None of the leading Ufological
researchers (Friedman, Macabbee, Linda Moulton Howe, et al) have had
such an experience, although Macabbee says he has seen manoeuvring
lights, which is at least something. These people are therefore at a
terrible disadvantage when they speak confidently about UFOs. The
Zeitgeist of the day? I saw something of the Zeitgeist of the past! I
saw a Lancaster bomber of World War 2 suspended quite still in the
evening sky above a park in front of my house. There was then a peculiar
light display
This profound UFO experience was many years ago. It was not exactly
unpleasant, but I do not want another experience of this kind, which
involved a loss of time and many other things, including the appearance
of a Man in Black. My girlfriend of the time (a physicist - not my
present wife) was a witness and was so disturbed by the event she ended
the relationship as if it were all something to do with me! For the
record I did not see any beings in the sense usually understood by that.
Given this, I have no need to play the evidence game. I am a believer. I
am convinced that this experience, quite vivid and objective, was not
generated by human culture.
"Look for a moment at the history of UFOlogy: in the 50's & 60's, at the
height of cold-war paranoia, UFO's were externalized representations of
the communist threat: in Hollywood, it was a quite literal
interpretation. People who viewed them as benign visitors had always
been around, but they were ignored so long as our culture was poised on
the brink of nuclear holocaust."
Yes, we are controlled by such powerful images and "fact" as a concept
trails far behind. Just look at the vocabulary you have just used: cold
war, paranoia, communist, Hollywood, holocaust, nuclear. This shows that
mind, thought, and frameworks of perception are a perfect anarchic mess.
Equations were, I suppose, designed originally to try and sort out this
mess and organise it into sets of clear rules. But science is not very
good at raw experience. Paris Hilton and the Image will defeat it all
the way. A busload of fighting drunks is reduced to a point mass rolling
down an incline plane. You lose out on a lot of fun that way.
In this respect, oncerning mythology, every single monad of perception
is a mythological generator. These generators contain myriad sub-texts
which contain nothing but images. Oar and horse, sails and rigging,
steam and iron - we relate to these image-strands every time we
visualise any one of these things into glorious prime time. In
performing, they throw all kinds of seeding time-pods at one another
which fertilise in turn, growing other nets beyond other nets. Thinking
is that complicated. The merest fraction of a second contains an
infinity of associations. Only the powerful image and not intellect can
grasp and control this stream of consciousness. This is the reason why
Paris Hilton has far greater power than science, may God help us all.
"It wasn't until the 70's that the mythology of benign encounters became
popular,..."
Not quite true. Adamski and the rest of the 1950s contactees regarded
UFOs and their occupants as benign.
.... and it didn't pick up a large following until the 90's - both eras
being filled with personal introspection. ET went from being a
threatening unknown in a metal ship to being a very personal part of our
lives - personal enough that Whitley described them visiting him in bed
at night. Whitley's own encounter story built from the Walton story in
introducing a first horrible encounter experience, but then softened as
Whitley personalized them as friendly but misunderstood beings.
Subsequent "abductees" followed his lead and characterized their own
encounters in a much softer way. He'd literally made it "OK" to accept
ET on a private and personal level.
"Yes, I think this is a very clear perception."
In the mid to late 90's, we began to see another trend emerge in UFOlogy
- the technological UFO. Suddenly the craft was no longer magical as it
had been in the 50's - it was a system based on rules, and we could use
those rules against it (Independence Day). It had lost it's stature as a
deity, and was now a corporeal part of our world. ET once again begins
to transition in our minds - from the personal experience people felt in
the early 90's back to a distant object. I believe this is intimately
connected with the advent of computers and the internet - which has led
us to more remote methods of interaction facilitated by machines.
Machines, by the way, that we don't understand - but can be understood.
"Just like the CARET device."
Yes, as I have said above, all these changes represent big image-dramas
which you describe very well. These changes are the structure of
archetypal time, and have little to do with mechanistic change. As I
have said, CHAD is story-technology in action, and we are going to see a
lot more of this given the power of the Web.
"So obviously this brings up the major issues, because UFO's are so
incredibly tied into human psychology that there's a very real
possibility that they don't even exist. Eric Davis got around this with
the notion that they project "psychic screens" that let us see them in
whichever way we desire, but I haven't seen a lot of reported flying
topless dancers, so I'm going to take a pass at explaining that theory."
Exactly. However, I do however think Davis is right in that any advanced
extraterrestrial culture will have flown to pure media eventually and
left mechanism behind. Jack, in rejecting fuel-using rockets is going
this way. The craft in his terms travel along the differential
fault-lines of space-time warps, as I see it. He is one of the very few
physicists who can combine ego, performance, and startrek ideas to
advanced physics. There is no other. Scientists tend to be grey-faced,
nameless and faceless meritocrats, and not very good at expressing
themselves. In the evolutionary game, glamour will either wipe them out
or reduce science to a support system for the plumage of Paris Hilton
culture. As I stated in an article in UFO magazine, already what I call
Entertainment State is here, and this represents a non-cerebral culture
and most commentators have not yet registered its arrival. They still
think the world is a simple place with simple separations between mind
and the external world.
In this respect, it may come as profound disappointment to some, but the
alien may not emerge as a good bourgeois, MUFON-style with a row of pens
in his pocket and long-service stripes of a Victorian Station Master.
The alien we may contact might well be as daft as a brush, wilting with
emotional pain and nostalgia and much else besides. In this he/she will
be of much more interest than some super-flapjack who is amazingly clever.
"Alternatively, it's possible that all manner of UFO's are seen all the
time, but only the stories that fit our expectations are retold. I like
this theory - it makes sense. Unfortunately it completely screws any
attempt at data-mining UFO-reports, because presumably most people with
experiences that "don't fit" just write them off after getting laughed
at by the first person they tell."
Yes, this is what I call applied "story technology" of which Chad is a
part. Data-mining UFO reportage MUFON-style is completely obsolete as a
method of investigation of the UFO phenomenon. Most of these people have
been schooled in the old "poyltech" style workshop-universities whose
intellectual milieu is mechanism of one sort of another. They might as
well be standing on the decks of 19th century battleships. With the UFO
we We are dealing techgnosis, but the Victorian Station Masters are not
capable of seeing this. They are of the wrong generation, and will
continue to pile up pan-fried case-histories beyond the sun and moon.
Finally, I believe it was Kurzweil who also suggested that "God could
just be the mind looking back upon itself" - which makes more sense as
infinite recursion to super-nerds than it probably does to anybody else.
Yes, great!
The short version is that for your mind to count to infinity, it doesn't
have to actually count to infinity - it just has to count to the highest
possible number that it can hold, and realize that there are still
leftovers. Maybe UFO's are an example of this process as well?
They could be. But even Kurzweil has not reached Entertainment State
yet. His books and ideas are great, but he is humourless, and a bit of
a puritan. The idea of aliens as clowns and jokers would be somewhat
disappointing to him, I think.
Thank for your thoughts, Tim!
Colin Bennett
The New Fortean Times
www.combat-diaries.co.uk
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| User: "Ian Parker" |
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| Title: Re: Alien ET Military Supertechnological Weapons 1 |
02 Jul 2007 11:30:28 AM |
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On 2 Jul, 00:37, Jack Sarfatti <sarfa...@pacbell.net> wrote:
"Look for a moment at the history of UFOlogy: in the 50's & 60's, at the
height of cold-war paranoia, UFO's were externalized representations of
the communist threat: in Hollywood, it was a quite literal
interpretation. People who viewed them as benign visitors had always
been around, but they were ignored so long as our culture was poised on
the brink of nuclear holocaust."
If the visitors are "benign" why is it that exremist Islamic websites
exist. As I keep on saying if ET exists his place is on the Web. Satan
can take down any website he doesn't like.
Radio reloj is dying. When we get RSS feeds as our news and source of
information ET will be in a position of decisive power. We will no
longer be masters of our own destiny.
ET as I have already said will be small. Spacecraft no larger than a
dragonfly. This is independent of whether they are FTL - which I still
think is impossible or subluminal Von Neumann.
In the Cold War there were loads of military experiments on disc
aircraft, not all of which have been declassified. They did not work -
or at least not very well. The CW mentality was different from the
mentality now. We thought it "patriotic" to more or less ignore this.
Now we say the CIA is playing its tricks again.
Yes, we are controlled by such powerful images and "fact" as a concept
trails far behind.
Yes indeed this is true. I think UFO are an "image" - they have to be.
You cn't put alien technology in a 1970 straightjacket as you seem to.
No the characteristic of aliens will be AI primerally. Not even a
propulsion system.
Just look at the vocabulary you have just used: cold
war, paranoia, communist, Hollywood, holocaust, nuclear.
With the demise of Radio Reloj the ability to put this in our minds
through the Web will increase.
This shows that
mind, thought, and frameworks of perception are a perfect anarchic mess.
Only the powerful image and not intellect can
grasp and control this stream of consciousness. This is the reason why
Paris Hilton has far greater power than science, may God help us all.
I hope the powerful intellects of Google are giving thought to this
problem. If Google maintains its integrity we are OK if not we could
end up in soapy water. Google has unquestioned integrity at the
moment. Whenvever I search for information that the CIA doesn't want
me to have I can always get it without too many problems.
Actually for the CIA to misuse Google would be a major undertaking, at
least comperable to any proposed conspiracy so far. They could not do
it. ET could.
"It wasn't until the 70's that the mythology of benign encounters became
popular,..."
Not quite true. Adamski and the rest of the 1950s contactees regarded
UFOs and their occupants as benign.
... and it didn't pick up a large following until the 90's - both eras
being filled with personal introspection. ET went from being a
threatening unknown in a metal ship to being a very personal part of our
lives - personal enough that Whitley described them visiting him in bed
at night. Whitley's own encounter story built from the Walton story in
introducing a first horrible encounter experience, but then softened as
Whitley personalized them as friendly but misunderstood beings.
Subsequent "abductees" followed his lead and characterized their own
encounters in a much softer way. He'd literally made it "OK" to accept
ET on a private and personal level.
"Yes, I think this is a very clear perception."
In the mid to late 90's, we began to see another trend emerge in UFOlogy
- the technological UFO. Suddenly the craft was no longer magical as it
had been in the 50's - it was a system based on rules, and we could use
those rules against it (Independence Day).
Independence day is IMPOSSIBLE. President Houston (I give her that
name from "the bodyguard" where she was described as better looking
and could sing better than the President) will simply let them in.
Google's propaganda will ensure that she gets elected!
- Ian Parker
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