On Jan 25, 11:26 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

"Sam Wormley" <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote in message

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Morphealwrote:

There is no problem as to information being conveyed when
something travels faster than light.

sworml...@mchsi.com says...
"something" doesn't move faster than light!

Wrong.

The stuff that makes up the universe, as we see it, moving at
velocities up to C, can, in some instances, be accelerated faster than
C. Even photons can exceed the normative "constant" speed limit. There
is no absolute constant. Light can slow or speed up, at least a bit,
relative to the average "constant" utilized for calculations. Even if
light is remarkably consistent.

Something subluminal or luminal can exceed C.
That something is a conveyance of information.
When that something exceeds C is disappears from your view. You cannot
measure where it is.
That is because of your frame of reference as a subluminal observer.

So, we can say that something, exceeding C is at mathematical
infinity. It's not a real infinity.
But it isn't anywhere that we can define, as to coordinates, until it
slows down.

This is why laboratory FTL events are disappearance and reappearance,
as the something that is accelerated outruns the luminal ghost of the
universe that we measure, ie. "see" with our eyes and our subluminal
and lumional instruments. Zero time appears to have elapsed. That is
relative to the observer and the observer's means of measurement. An
illusion. Some have ascribed negative t to some of those events. I
think that is very disputable.

Negative t _only_ occurs in instances of what Sarfatti calls
"backreaction" and I would tend to term "hyperspace" (5D not 4D)
field.

bernardZ wrote:

Under relativity it can as long as no information transfer takes place.

Information _can_ be conveyed both by real FTL events. Real FTL is
where subluminals or luminals are accelerated to some velocity greater
than C. The information disappears when it is accelarated beyond C,
and the information reappears when it slows down. Simple to
comprehend.

From the viewpoint of the observer on the something that is
accelerated above velocity C, everything disappears. That observer
cannot observe, measure, the luminal and subluminal universe. He is
outside of it, because he has outrun the ghost. He cannot even view
the ghost of the past. He has outrun it. (I had to think about this a
bit. I wanted to say he can view it, because we all want to believe
that, from our learned bad habit of looking at it that way. Not so. He
cannot. The universe reappears when he slows down to C or below C.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with hyperspace travel. This is a
purely a thought experiment not useful in practice. As I will explain
later.

Einstein stated
"I did not say that a superluminal velocity is impossible; it is not
impossible from the logical point of view, rather one can only say: if
there existed a velocity that could really be conceived as the velocity
of propagation of a physical stimulus, then it would be possible to
construct an arrangement that would allow us to see at some place
consequences of actions before we had innervated the thing by acts of
volition. This seems to me to be something that has to be ruled out
until proven otherwise, because it does not seem to be in accord with
our experience. Physical propagation velocities have nothing to do with
the character of our sense organs."
-- In other words you can pick two of the three FTL, relativity or
-- causality.

Yes, in 4D Einsteinian physics definitely ruled out and will never be
proven to be otherwise.

In 5D physics and with "backreaction" accomodated into our
cosmological viewpoint, it becomes possible to see the effect before
the cause.

That is apparent, not real, FTL. The "backreaction" in a 5D space-time
matrix, conveys information along the negative t axis, but that makes
it appear to be at infinity, infinite velocity and virtual coordinates
that cannot be defined, from the frame of reference of an observer who
is mired in 4D, positive t, space-time. That does not preclude the
observer receiving information by means of "backreaction" because the
observer _is_ located within a 5D space-time system. If that is
understood then the anomalous conveyance of information from an event
that has not been effected by volition, as of now, becomes
understandable and there is enough evidence that that does happen.

Now.... the hyperspace engine.

I will describe the basic engine in another message entitled "Basics
of a Hyperspace Engine".

Bob Ezergailis
Hamilton, Canada
January 26, 2008

In GR, the existence of tachyons is limited to objects which do not
interact in any way with normal matter (otherwise the theory itself
falls apart as one cannot prove the existence and uniqueness of the
differential equations). That takes them out of the realm of science.