Science > Physics > Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ?
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"Hannu Poropudas" |
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08 Aug 2007 03:05:18 PM |
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Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
Q1. Are there any reliable results in present from measuring accurate
distances and distribution of GRBs ?
I mean that knowledge about Universe's time dimension's large scale
structure should be
observable somehow from GRBs (=Gamma Ray Bursts).
I think that the places of "radiation peripheries" are observable from
GRBs and also from "fastener places"
in those "radiation peripheries" (two "fastener places" per "radiation
periphery", these are
"mass exchange places" between two different "radiation peripheries").
Time difference between two
"radiation peripheries" should be 100 000 - 300 000 years, so these
"radiation peripheries" are in a way
some kind of "time zones". I think that this holds also in time
dimension's structure of galaxies, so
GRBs should be also observable in galaxies.
I think that direct observation of "radiation periphery" is very
difficult or even forbidden in principle.
Q2. Are distribution of GRBs centered for example in center of the
Virgo Super Cluster (more closely
in center of M87 galaxy, this galaxy is about 60 million light years
from the Earth if I remember right) ?
Q3. How would it be possible to check this Q2. or is it impossible to
check at present ?
I refer here to those old H-M's drawings and my old writings about
them.
Hannu
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
08 Aug 2007 07:45:05 PM |
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On Aug 8, 12:05 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
Q1. Are there any reliable results in present from measuring accurate
distances and distribution of GRBs ?
Yes.
The distribution has been found to be isotropic, and there are many
ways to measure distances to the GRB [depending on distance].
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Q2. Are distribution of GRBs centered for example in center of the
Virgo Super Cluster (more closely
in center of M87 galaxy, this galaxy is about 60 million light years
from the Earth if I remember right) ?
The closest GRB observed was 1.3 billion light years out. Keep that in
mind.
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
08 Aug 2007 10:45:29 PM |
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On Aug 9, 3:45 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:05 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
Q1. Are there any reliable results in present from measuring accurate
distances and distribution of GRBs ?
Yes.
The distribution has been found to be isotropic, and there are many
ways to measure distances to the GRB [depending on distance].
[...]
Q2. Are distribution of GRBs centered for example in center of the
Virgo Super Cluster (more closely
in center of M87 galaxy, this galaxy is about 60 million light years
from the Earth if I remember right) ?
The closest GRB observed was 1.3 billion light years out. Keep that in
mind.
[...]
I meant that center of "radiation peripheries" of cosmological
distances
is possible in center of the Virgo Super Cluster (more closely in
center
of M87 galaxy, which is about 60 million light years from the Earth,
if I remember right).
Distribution of GRBs should be quite isotropic due this galaxy M87
is so near the Earth when comparing to those huge cosmological
distances (you mentioned one closest of them which you said to'
be about 1300 million light years).
Hannu
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
09 Aug 2007 12:00:21 AM |
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On Aug 8, 7:45 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 3:45 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:05 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
Q1. Are there any reliable results in present from measuring accurate
distances and distribution of GRBs ?
Yes.
The distribution has been found to be isotropic, and there are many
ways to measure distances to the GRB [depending on distance].
[...]
Q2. Are distribution of GRBs centered for example in center of the
Virgo Super Cluster (more closely
in center of M87 galaxy, this galaxy is about 60 million light years
from the Earth if I remember right) ?
The closest GRB observed was 1.3 billion light years out. Keep that in
mind.
[...]
I meant that center of "radiation peripheries" of cosmological
distances
Define your terminology. It is a bad sign when I enter "radiation
peripheries" into google and the first results are practically all
from you.
is possible in center of the Virgo Super Cluster (more closely in
center
of M87 galaxy, which is about 60 million light years from the Earth,
if I remember right).
Distribution of GRBs should be quite isotropic due this galaxy M87
is so near the Earth when comparing to those huge cosmological
distances (you mentioned one closest of them which you said to'
be about 1300 million light years).
M87 has *****-all to do with GRB distribution because, as I said, the
closest was 1.3 billion LY out. M87 is comfortably within that margin
due to it being VERY CLOSE compared to the nearest GRB.
Hannu
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
09 Aug 2007 12:55:55 AM |
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On Aug 9, 8:00 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 7:45 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
On Aug 9, 3:45 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 12:05 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
Q1. Are there any reliable results in present from measuring accurate
distances and distribution of GRBs ?
Yes.
The distribution has been found to be isotropic, and there are many
ways to measure distances to the GRB [depending on distance].
[...]
Q2. Are distribution of GRBs centered for example in center of the
Virgo Super Cluster (more closely
in center of M87 galaxy, this galaxy is about 60 million light years
from the Earth if I remember right) ?
The closest GRB observed was 1.3 billion light years out. Keep that in
mind.
[...]
I meant that center of "radiation peripheries" of cosmological
distances
Define your terminology. It is a bad sign when I enter "radiation
peripheries" into google and the first results are practically all
from you.
is possible in center of the Virgo Super Cluster (more closely in
center
of M87 galaxy, which is about 60 million light years from the Earth,
if I remember right).
Distribution of GRBs should be quite isotropic due this galaxy M87
is so near the Earth when comparing to those huge cosmological
distances (you mentioned one closest of them which you said to'
be about 1300 million light years).
M87 has *****-all to do with GRB distribution because, as I said, the
closest was 1.3 billion LY out. M87 is comfortably within that margin
due to it being VERY CLOSE compared to the nearest GRB.
I try to enlighten the matter (I remember that I asked H-M long time
ago
that is the center of space in center of M87 and anwer was: yes):
I have one simplified and rough model here (it is difficult to try to
explain these due I don't even myself have a clear picture of this
time-dimension's structure in cosmological scale):
If you think one simplified rough model of the Universe as a finite
length
pseudosphere so that in the "bottom of this bag" is this M87 galaxy
(more closely center of M87 or its place about 13700 million years
ago ?).
Time-axis is so that positive direction (direction of expansion of the
Universe)
points away from this M87 galaxy (or its center about 13700 million
years ago ?)
and time-axis is a symmetry axis of of this pseudosphere surface.
One space dimension has been shrunken away in this model due it is
too
difficult to imagine 4D pseudosphere (3 space dimensions and one time
dimension).
Certain point in time corresponds a disk (in 4D model this corresponds
really
a ball or sphere) and this disk is the ONLY place where we can move
(it corresponds
our space at this point in time). Near this on time-axis (100 000 -
300 000 years away
in time) is a second point in time which also corresponds a disk (in
4D this also
really corresponds "contracting space" which is invisible to us and we
can not
move in this part). In time-axis these couples exist in parallel and
there exist
hunderds of thousands disks from the start of the time axis to the end
of this
psudosphere. These disks also corresponds "radiation peripheries" if
one space
dimension is shrunken away (really in 4D a sphere correspond to a
"radiation perihery").
Oh, no it is too DIFFICULT to try to explain because even myself do
not have a clear picture
of this. This is at the moment my poor understanding about this
complex topology of the
Universe. I hope you got even some ideas from my poor explanation.
I refer here to those old H-M's drawings and my old writings about
them.
Hannu
Hannu
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
09 Aug 2007 01:11:13 AM |
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On Aug 8, 9:55 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
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Everywhere is the center of the universe.
M87? Nothing special.
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| User: "Hannu Poropudas" |
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| Title: Re: Are there any reliable results in present from measuring distances and distribution of GRBs ? |
09 Aug 2007 12:18:11 PM |
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On Aug 9, 9:11 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 8, 9:55 pm, Hannu Poropudas <hapor...@luukku.com> wrote:
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Everywhere is the center of the universe.
I did not wrote the center of the Universe but I wrote the center of
the Space.
M87? Nothing special.
I recall here those old H-M's drawings and my old writings about them:
In center of space (= center of "radiation peripheries" of
cosmological distances)
there should be that "great neutrino star" (= a "great collection of
neutrino stars"
= a "great collection of diamonds", those individual "diamonds" are
arranged
in certain specific way and "black color electricity" is between them
in some
places of this arrangement) in "bottom of the bag" (bottom of finite
length
"pseudosphere") and that "small planet " which "planet" is really the
center
of those almost instantaneous coordinative "color electricity
signals".
Please try to find my old profiles and try to read these matters from
there.
Please then take into account what I'am as a learner and take also
into account
my picture of the world and also that how it has changed during the
years
due my old writings may contain my own errors and my own confusions.
H-M's old drawings and my remarks on them are reliable.
Hannu
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