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Article: 'Save the Hubble' campaign soars |
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437309.stm
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Posted by
Robert Karl Stonjek.
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02 Feb 2004 09:45:55 AM |
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In article <gRdSb.33682$Wa.4184@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
stonjek@ozemail.com.au says...
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437309.stm
--
Posted by
Robert Karl Stonjek.
Recent advances in ground-based telescopes using Very Large Telescope
can now produce pictures almost as good as the Hubble, at much less
expense and trouble. Even before Bush talk there was a major discussions
of whether that was any need to replace the Hubble.
--
More quantity is easier to produce then higher quality.
39th observation of Bernard
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02 Feb 2004 04:31:17 PM |
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"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a891bc29abf0df09898ac@news...
In article <gRdSb.33682$Wa.4184@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
stonjek@ozemail.com.au says...
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437309.stm
--
Posted by
Robert Karl Stonjek.
Recent advances in ground-based telescopes using Very Large Telescope
can now produce pictures almost as good as the Hubble, at much less
expense and trouble. Even before Bush talk there was a major discussions
of whether that was any need to replace the Hubble.
*****. There are great swaths of spectrum that can't be seen from the
ground at all, and adaptive optics only achieve comparable resolution in
infrared wavelengths.
Mark Folsom
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03 Feb 2004 06:53:44 AM |
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In article <101tkvumkpjmnca@corp.supernews.com>,
folsom_snip_man@redshift.com says...
"Bernardz" <Bernard_zzz@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a891bc29abf0df09898ac@news...
In article <gRdSb.33682$Wa.4184@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
stonjek@ozemail.com.au says...
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437309.stm
--
Posted by
Robert Karl Stonjek.
Recent advances in ground-based telescopes using Very Large Telescope
can now produce pictures almost as good as the Hubble, at much less
expense and trouble. Even before Bush talk there was a major discussions
of whether that was any need to replace the Hubble.
*****. There are great swaths of spectrum that can't be seen from the
ground at all, and adaptive optics only achieve comparable resolution in
infrared wavelengths.
Mark Folsom
There are certainly some plus for the Hubble but its very questionable
now it cost-effective particularly as VLT can do much of the work. The
Hubble is going and all we are talking is a few more years. With VLT, we
have a long term future.
--
An outsider will find that the doors of a house are shut. However once
he gets inside he will find that almost all doors are open.
40th observation of Bernard
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Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
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SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
We're starting a GLOBAL petition that will take the voices of people
from all over the world and send them to the US Congress to pass a
resolution to allow the Hubble to provide imagery until the mission is
complete in 2011. At that time, its expected that a new telescope
will replace Hubble.
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"Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<gRdSb.33682$Wa.4184@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437309.stm
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21 Feb 2004 10:50:29 AM |
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Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
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SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
Bob Kolker
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24 Feb 2004 08:41:45 PM |
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
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SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
They don't have the cojones to launch a shuttle that can't dock withthe
space station if need be. That rules out repair jobs to Hubble.
Also, a replacement for Hubble is in the works.
John Anderson
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25 Feb 2004 09:23:18 AM |
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John Anderson wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
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SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
They don't have the cojones to launch a shuttle that can't dock withthe
space station if need be. That rules out repair jobs to Hubble.
Also, a replacement for Hubble is in the works.
So is a working Space Scuttle. It's October 2004 launch has been
delayed into 2005 or 6 or 10.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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28 Feb 2004 11:51:18 AM |
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Uncle Al:
John Anderson wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
-------------------------
SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
They don't have the cojones to launch a shuttle that can't dock withthe
space station if need be. That rules out repair jobs to Hubble.
Also, a replacement for Hubble is in the works.
So is a working Space Scuttle. It's October 2004 launch has been
delayed into 2005 or 6 or 10.
The plans bush has outlined for space exploration don't exactly indicate
he's too interested in the space program, so most likely, 2005 or 6 if he
doesn't get re-elected and 2010 if he does, unless his brother jeb gets
elected in 2008. The comment made by the head of the russian space agency
regarding bush's "vision" for a "universal spacecraft", that could dock
with the spacestation, go to the moon and to mars was, that he didn't
understand how this could be done, since each destination has different
requirements, and "I don't think we will work together on this project."
Most of bush's vision for space exploration, doesn't involve getting
started while he's in office.
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28 Feb 2004 02:38:54 PM |
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"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnc41q8u.mn6.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
Uncle Al:
John Anderson wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
-------------------------
SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others,
as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be
maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is
too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic"
missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another
Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
They don't have the cojones to launch a shuttle that can't dock
withthe
space station if need be. That rules out repair jobs to Hubble.
Also, a replacement for Hubble is in the works.
So is a working Space Scuttle. It's October 2004 launch has been
delayed into 2005 or 6 or 10.
The plans bush has outlined for space exploration don't exactly
indicate
he's too interested in the space program, so most likely, 2005 or 6 if
he
doesn't get re-elected and 2010 if he does, unless his brother jeb
gets
elected in 2008. The comment made by the head of the russian space
agency
regarding bush's "vision" for a "universal spacecraft", that could
dock
with the spacestation, go to the moon and to mars was, that he didn't
understand how this could be done, since each destination has
different
requirements, and "I don't think we will work together on this
project."
Most of bush's vision for space exploration, doesn't involve getting
started while he's in office.
RKS:
Bush is a man of vision - he can see beyond the limited scope of the
average individual and into the realms of a sci-fi future, a world
democracy (look at his great work in democratising the middle east) and
can see that God is not just a concept or religion but something as
solid as a government surplus. His vision is so, well, visionary that
perhaps we struggle to keep up - he can see all with just one exception:
Reality.
--
Kind Regards,
Robert Karl Stonjek.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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29 Feb 2004 02:59:37 AM |
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In sci.physics, Robert Karl Stonjek
<stonjek@ozemail.com.au>
wrote
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:38:54 GMT
<y%60c.80622$Wa.62630@news-server.bigpond.net.au>:
"Bilge" <dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net> wrote in message
news:slrnc41q8u.mn6.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net...
[crunch]
The plans bush has outlined for space exploration don't exactly
indicate
he's too interested in the space program, so most likely, 2005 or 6 if
he
doesn't get re-elected and 2010 if he does, unless his brother jeb
gets
elected in 2008. The comment made by the head of the russian space
agency
regarding bush's "vision" for a "universal spacecraft", that could
dock
with the spacestation, go to the moon and to mars was, that he didn't
understand how this could be done, since each destination has
different
requirements, and "I don't think we will work together on this
project."
Most of bush's vision for space exploration, doesn't involve getting
started while he's in office.
RKS:
Bush is a man of vision - he can see beyond the limited scope of the
average individual and into the realms of a sci-fi future, a world
democracy (look at his great work in democratising the middle east) and
can see that God is not just a concept or religion but something as
solid as a government surplus. His vision is so, well, visionary that
perhaps we struggle to keep up - he can see all with just one exception:
Reality.
Sci-fi? More like fantasy. :-)
But wasn't his Dad also plagued with "that vision thing"
during his presidency?
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
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In sci.physics, Robert Karl Stonjek
<stonjek@ozemail.com.au>
wrote
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:38:54 GMT
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[crunch]
The plans bush has outlined for space exploration don't exactly
indicate
he's too interested in the space program, so most likely, 2005 or 6
if
he
doesn't get re-elected and 2010 if he does, unless his brother jeb
gets
elected in 2008. The comment made by the head of the russian space
agency
regarding bush's "vision" for a "universal spacecraft", that could
dock
with the spacestation, go to the moon and to mars was, that he
didn't
understand how this could be done, since each destination has
different
requirements, and "I don't think we will work together on this
project."
Most of bush's vision for space exploration, doesn't involve
getting
started while he's in office.
RKS:
Bush is a man of vision - he can see beyond the limited scope of the
average individual and into the realms of a sci-fi future, a world
democracy (look at his great work in democratising the middle east)
and
can see that God is not just a concept or religion but something as
solid as a government surplus. His vision is so, well, visionary
that
perhaps we struggle to keep up - he can see all with just one
exception:
Reality.
Sci-fi? More like fantasy. :-)
But wasn't his Dad also plagued with "that vision thing"
during his presidency?
RKS:
His dad had the good sense to modify his position after consulting
*unbiased* experts. George Jr. doesn't.
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Uncle Al wrote:
John Anderson wrote:
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
Charlie A. wrote:
Looks like Hubble is running for President in 2004!
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SAVE HUBBLE FOR KIDS SAKE!
http://www.Hubble2004.com
What Can I do NOW to help SAVE Hubble Space Telescope?
The best way to get your voice heard is in chorus with others, as a
group we can make sure the Hubble Space Telescope will be maintained
for the "Worlds" benefit. NASA has said that the telescope is too
"risky" to maintain, but at the same time they support sending
astronauts to Mars as their current and past "robotic" missions are
repeatedly having serious technical problems.
Translation. They do not have the cojones to launch another Shuttle. The
NASA management live in fear of cutbacks by Congress.
They don't have the cojones to launch a shuttle that can't dock withthe
space station if need be. That rules out repair jobs to Hubble.
Also, a replacement for Hubble is in the works.
So is a working Space Scuttle. It's October 2004 launch has been
delayed into 2005 or 6 or 10.
My point was that you don't do work on something that is going
to be replaced with something that has become a public relations
liability.
John Anderson
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Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on 16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself," he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning, building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
The rules have changed a bit for shuttle flights since the last disaster.
They are now required to to fly such that they can dock at the space station
if there are probable defects in the heat shield tiles. That limits
what they can do and is probably one reason to abandon Hubble.
The second is that there's a replacement telescope on the way.
John Anderson
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"John Anderson" <ande452@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4019B556.BA11912D@attglobal.net...
Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be
saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia
lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon
the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch
pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on
16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle
to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation
until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go
to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was
unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the
safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed
out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself,"
he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or
the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot
the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning,
building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where
people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour
of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go
to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
The rules have changed a bit for shuttle flights since the last
disaster.
They are now required to to fly such that they can dock at the space
station
if there are probable defects in the heat shield tiles. That limits
what they can do and is probably one reason to abandon Hubble.
The second is that there's a replacement telescope on the way.
John Anderson
RKS:
All true, but equally true is that the Hubble only needs its gyros servi
cing to see out another 4 years. This was a scheduled maintenance job
that has only recently been cancelled.
I note that the last shuttle mission was in an orbit far to low to dock
with the space station even if they had the equipment to do it.
I also note that Hubble missions are manned by personnel who have
specialised equipment to work OUTSIDE the shuttle, making them even
better able to repair damage than the more limited resourced space
station crew.
But purely scientific missions like the last one are stuck between a
rock and a hard place if they sustain damage - they can't get to the
space station and can't do much even if they got there, and they can't
go outside and kick the tyres if they suspect a flat (or deal with any
other annoying mid-flight maintenance issues).
--
Kind Regards,
Robert Karl Stonjek.
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Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
"John Anderson" <ande452@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4019B556.BA11912D@attglobal.net...
Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be
saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia
lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to abandon
the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a launch
pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe, decided on
16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space shuttle
to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation
until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go
to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was
unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the
safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many pointed
out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa itself,"
he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step (or
the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never forgot
the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning,
building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site where
people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in favour
of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want to go
to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
The rules have changed a bit for shuttle flights since the last
disaster.
They are now required to to fly such that they can dock at the space
station
if there are probable defects in the heat shield tiles. That limits
what they can do and is probably one reason to abandon Hubble.
The second is that there's a replacement telescope on the way.
John Anderson
RKS:
All true, but equally true is that the Hubble only needs its gyros servi
cing to see out another 4 years. This was a scheduled maintenance job
that has only recently been cancelled.
Was it cancelled because the shuttle can't maneuver to the Hubbleand to the
space station in the same mission?
If it can't, then it's irrelevant what needs servicing on the Hubble.
I note that the last shuttle mission was in an orbit far to low to dock
with the space station even if they had the equipment to do it.
That's my point. The shuttle is not going to fly missionslike the one
you're describing anymore.
I also note that Hubble missions are manned by personnel who have
specialised equipment to work OUTSIDE the shuttle, making them even
better able to repair damage than the more limited resourced space
station crew.
There isn't any procedure for space walkers to repair physical damageto the
heat shield. They can take up spare parts next time,
but I don't think that you want an astronaut on a space walk
doing something that should be done by a technician on earth.
Especially because of the different environment.
Can you tell us how long it takes to cure the tile adhesive on
earth and what the environmental conditions that the curing
takes place under?
But purely scientific missions like the last one are stuck between a
rock and a hard place if they sustain damage - they can't get to the
space station and can't do much even if they got there, and they can't
go outside and kick the tyres if they suspect a flat (or deal with any
other annoying mid-flight maintenance issues).
--
You rescue the astronauts from the space station. You don't repairthe
shuttle there as part of that mission. Maybe later.
Or you quit wasting money and explore near earth orbit with unmanned
spacecraft.
John Anderson
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"John Anderson" <ande452@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:401B1772.3787B908@attglobal.net...
Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
"John Anderson" <ande452@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4019B556.BA11912D@attglobal.net...
Robert Karl Stonjek wrote:
'Save the Hubble' campaign soars
By Dr David Whitehouse
A petition website calling for the Hubble Space Telescope to be
saved is
attracting a growing number of hits.
www.SaveTheHubble.com was established by University of Brasilia
lecturer
Fernando Ribeiro following the US space agency's decision to
abandon
the
scope.
"I hope it will become a forum about Hubble's prospects and a
launch
pad
(so to speak) for a campaign to save it."
Left alone, Hubble, called the most important scientific
instrument
ever, could only survive another three years.
Safety concerns
Astronomers were stunned when Nasa's chief, Sean O'Keefe,
decided on
16
January to cancel the fifth, and final, visit of the space
shuttle
to
service the Hubble Space Telescope (HST).
A service call is essential to ensure Hubble's smooth operation
until
the end of the decade.
The telescope has only three working gyroscopes, down from its
compliment of six, and cannot afford to lose any more.
Let the voters say: "We don't want to go to the moon! We want to
go
to
infinity and beyond!"
Fernando Ribeiro
O'Keefe decided that in the wake of the Columbia disaster it was
unwise
to send astronauts on a shuttle mission that could not reach the
safety
of the International Space Station in the event of a problem.
Dismayed astronomers understood O'Keefe's logic, but many
pointed
out
that there would now be a gap of several years between the
demise of
Hubble and its replacement reaching orbit.
They also wondered if there was any way to save the telescope.
Noise from Brazil
In Brazil, Fernando Ribeiro also wondered if Hubble could be
saved.
"The HST is such an important, complex, fascinating and
cost/benefit
effective instrument that it is hard to imagine someone could
ever
suggest it should be dumped into the ocean, let alone Nasa
itself,"
he
told BBC News Online.
"I am fan of science and of space. I was standing in front of a
huge
black and white TV set when Neil Armstrong took the small step
(or
the
giant leap if you prefer) on the Moon. I was seven and never
forgot
the
thrill of the moment."
Mr Ribeiro first heard about Hubble's demise from the internet.
"I sat in front of the monitor and stared at it for several
minutes
recollecting all the facts I knew about Hubble. Its planning,
building,
the flawed mirror, the device to fix it, the book I had: Gems of
the
Hubble. I thought about the loss it meant to the whole human
race."
So www.SaveTheHubble.com was born.
"I imagined that it could be a good idea to build up a site
where
people
could voice their feelings and ideas about the whole story. My
role
would be to put together as many references as I could about the
struggle to save the telescope."
"There has been an exponential growth of the public outcry in
favour
of
the instrument, and it is just the beginning! Since the matter
is
obviously political, public pressure will certainly play a big
role,
especially in an election year."
The petition will be sent to Nasa and US politicians.
"Let the voters say: 'We don't want to go to the moon! We want
to go
to
infinity and beyond!'," said Mr Ribeiro.
The rules have changed a bit for shuttle flights since the last
disaster.
They are now required to to fly such that they can dock at the
space
station
if there are probable defects in the heat shield tiles. That
limits
what they can do and is probably one reason to abandon Hubble.
The second is that there's a replacement telescope on the way.
John Anderson
RKS:
All true, but equally true is that the Hubble only needs its gyros
servi
cing to see out another 4 years. This was a scheduled maintenance
job
that has only recently been cancelled.
Was it cancelled because the shuttle can't maneuver to the Hubbleand
to the
space station in the same mission?
If it can't, then it's irrelevant what needs servicing on the Hubble.
I note that the last shuttle mission was in an orbit far to low to
dock
with the space station even if they had the equipment to do it.
That's my point. The shuttle is not going to fly missionslike the one
you're describing anymore.
I also note that Hubble missions are manned by personnel who have
specialised equipment to work OUTSIDE the shuttle, making them even
better able to repair damage than the more limited resourced space
station crew.
There isn't any procedure for space walkers to repair physical
damageto the
heat shield. They can take up spare parts next time,
but I don't think that you want an astronaut on a space walk
doing something that should be done by a technician on earth.
Especially because of the different environment.
Can you tell us how long it takes to cure the tile adhesive on
earth and what the environmental conditions that the curing
takes place under?
RKS:
In an emergency you'd have to improvise.
Perhaps they could use chewing gum. :)
--
Kind Regards,
Robert Karl Stonjek.
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"Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<bzJSb.37043$Wa.7436@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
"John Anderson" <ande452@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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[sip]
The rules have changed a bit for shuttle flights since the last disaster.
They are now required to to fly such that they can dock at the space station
if there are probable defects in the heat shield tiles. That limits
what they can do and is probably one reason to abandon Hubble.
The second is that there's a replacement telescope on the way.
John Anderson
[sip]
:
In an emergency you'd have to improvise.
Perhaps they could use chewing gum. :)
Robert Karl Stonjek.
Astronauts will always accept risk, that doesn't
make it ok.
Cost benefit ratio compared to data obtained?
$500,000,000 for the launch + risking a
$5,000,000,000 Orbiter + risking lives
at a 1/100 failure rate, (Feynman's estimate).
The principle advantage of the Hubble is to
view in wavelengths that are opague to our
atmosphere, but this is really not cutting edge,
highly risk-worthy science (imho), ie. we wait
a few more years to find out how our universe
was *really* created, as the Hubble was
intended to determine.
I think it would be prudent to develope an
improved system based on experience.
Ken S. Tucker
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