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"Andrew Nowicki" |
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04 Sep 2005 03:27:12 PM |
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Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
Is is possible to take away energy from powerful
hurricanes like Katrina by artificial means?
For example:
- by sprinkling silver iodide or dry ice in front
of the hurricane,
- by triggering lightenings with wires lifted by
sounding rockets,
- by spilling gasoline on sea surface and igniting it,
- by releasing large quantity of hydrogen gas,
- by detonating nuclear bombs,
- by using large orbital mirrors to trigger many small
hurricanes in front of the existing hurricane.
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
04 Sep 2005 03:45:27 PM |
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On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:27:12 +0200) it happened Andrew Nowicki
<andrew@nospam.com> wrote in <431B58A0.40AF3794@nospam.com>:
Is is possible to take away energy from powerful
hurricanes like Katrina by artificial means?
For example:
- by sprinkling silver iodide or dry ice in front
of the hurricane,
- by triggering lightenings with wires lifted by
sounding rockets,
- by spilling gasoline on sea surface and igniting it,
- by releasing large quantity of hydrogen gas,
- by detonating nuclear bombs,
- by using large orbital mirrors to trigger many small
hurricanes in front of the existing hurricane.
There was an interesting program on German TV today, where
they explained and had simulations of hurricanes.
It seems the hurricane gets its power from the water that
evaporates.
One degree Celsius drop in water temp can greatly reduce the
strength it seems (they blame global warming).
But what if you could stop that evaporation all together, with for
example a thin film of oil????
Change the evaporation point at the surface? Lower the temperature
at the surface?
Over several hundred square miles......
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
04 Sep 2005 06:39:27 PM |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:45:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:27:12 +0200) it happened Andrew Nowicki
<andrew@nospam.com> wrote in <431B58A0.40AF3794@nospam.com>:
Is is possible to take away energy from powerful
hurricanes like Katrina by artificial means?
For example:
- by sprinkling silver iodide or dry ice in front
of the hurricane,
- by triggering lightenings with wires lifted by
sounding rockets,
- by spilling gasoline on sea surface and igniting it,
- by releasing large quantity of hydrogen gas,
- by detonating nuclear bombs,
- by using large orbital mirrors to trigger many small
hurricanes in front of the existing hurricane.
There was an interesting program on German TV today, where
they explained and had simulations of hurricanes.
It seems the hurricane gets its power from the water that
evaporates.
One degree Celsius drop in water temp can greatly reduce the
strength it seems (they blame global warming).
But what if you could stop that evaporation all together, with for
example a thin film of oil????
Change the evaporation point at the surface? Lower the temperature
at the surface?
Over several hundred square miles......
It's easier to die.
--
"sa'diyA marde neku nAm namirad hargez
morde Anast ke nAmash be nekuyi nabarand"
- Sa'di
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
05 Sep 2005 04:31:23 AM |
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On a sunny day (Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:39:27 -0500) it happened Math Freak
<MathFreak@FakeAddress.com> wrote in
<1rb303ifdkopl.1g1z9enqkv7kq.dlg@40tude.net>:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:45:27 GMT, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:27:12 +0200) it happened Andrew Nowicki
<andrew@nospam.com> wrote in <431B58A0.40AF3794@nospam.com>:
Is is possible to take away energy from powerful
hurricanes like Katrina by artificial means?
For example:
- by sprinkling silver iodide or dry ice in front
of the hurricane,
- by triggering lightenings with wires lifted by
sounding rockets,
- by spilling gasoline on sea surface and igniting it,
- by releasing large quantity of hydrogen gas,
- by detonating nuclear bombs,
- by using large orbital mirrors to trigger many small
hurricanes in front of the existing hurricane.
There was an interesting program on German TV today, where
they explained and had simulations of hurricanes.
It seems the hurricane gets its power from the water that
evaporates.
One degree Celsius drop in water temp can greatly reduce the
strength it seems (they blame global warming).
But what if you could stop that evaporation all together, with for
example a thin film of oil????
Change the evaporation point at the surface? Lower the temperature
at the surface?
Over several hundred square miles......
It's easier to die.
Are you suggesting covering that ocean with dead bodies to stop evaporation?
There are not enough of these.
And it would be more then the victims, so no positive effect.
Or did you read my suggestion for the US to nuke Iraq and Iran and then,
after radiation subsides, move there?
This is a GOOD suggestion, as global warming will increase, and Florida
and the rest will become more and more devastated.
Have no concepts about right or wrong, just who is the strongest
The US can NOW *today* use H bombs to nuke all of Islam world, mile by mile,
or kilometer by kilometer, wait some years for the radiation to be acceptable.
Then move in there.
No long battles, as against the indians when conquering the west, needed.
The advantages:
New safe land.
All nukes spend, new ones need to be made.
Full control of world oil, can sell to China: balance trade deficit.
No more thread from Islam.
Better security for Israel.
Those who object would of cause be leveled too.
The alternative is .. well there is only destruction of more US land by
weather to be expected.
The hurricanes will become more frequent each year because of global warming.
If the US waits, then Islamitic countries (and especially Iran) will have
H bombs too.
I'd say nukem all now, if you got some guts.
You had no problem with killing indians (who originally lived in America).
So, before anybody ELSE does it, do it to them
This is my view.
If it works you can have a big Bagdad party.
Have fun :-)
General Panteltje
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"sa'diyA marde neku nAm namirad hargez
morde Anast ke nAmash be nekuyi nabarand"
- Sa'di
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| User: "AJW" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
04 Sep 2005 07:40:27 PM |
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Some atmospheric scientist, maybe from Duke, I'm not sure, ran some
simulations and concluded if one ran a barge full of jet engines
aiming up into the gulf, one could trigger a tropical storm close
enough to land to suck some energy out of the water, but not so close
it could grow into a major system. Lots of tropical storms, lots of
rain, but not the Cat 4 winds.
It makes some sense to me. The conditions are right for a storm to be
triggered. If an event trigger could be 'pulled' maybe storms like the
last one could be defanged.
There are lots of downside risks. Katrina crossed the southern end of
FL as a cat 1 storm and grew. A triggered storm, if the winds aren't
right, could grow into something serious too, and whoever started it
would be sued for god knows how much.
How does the storm extract energy from the ocean anyhow? Warm water,
updrafts? How much does the water cool? Would a few hundred square
miles of plastic film over the water in the storm's path prevent the
evaporative losses?
could r
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| User: "Andrew Nowicki" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
05 Sep 2005 01:48:46 PM |
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AJW wrote:
Some atmospheric scientist, maybe from Duke, I'm not sure, ran some
simulations and concluded if one ran a barge full of jet engines
aiming up into the gulf, one could trigger a tropical storm close
enough to land to suck some energy out of the water, but not so close
it could grow into a major system. Lots of tropical storms, lots of
rain, but not the Cat 4 winds.
This is exactly what you want to weaken hurricane!
There are lots of downside risks. Katrina crossed the southern end of
FL as a cat 1 storm and grew. A triggered storm, if the winds aren't
right, could grow into something serious too, and whoever started it
would be sued for god knows how much.
It is similar idea to triggering small earthquake to avoid big one.
How does the storm extract energy from the ocean anyhow? Warm water,
updrafts? How much does the water cool?
Warm air vapor goes up like a balloon in a place where the air already
swirls. Details: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6002880
Maybe the swirling motion of the air is the key to making
little storms? I imagine that the swirling motion generates
centrifugal force that expels relatively dense, dry air
from the storm, and sucks in relatively low-density steam
into the storm. I imagine that a special swirling ship could
be made to make lots of little storms. It would look like
very big and very wide trimaran. This idea is much cheaper
than the jet engines.
Would a few hundred square miles of plastic film over the water
in the storm's path prevent the evaporative losses?
Yes, it would, but nobody can afford it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
04 Sep 2005 09:56:06 PM |
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Easier to just not populate coastal regions. That will be accomplished
by a reduced general population, which fossil fuel depletion will
accomplish handily.
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| User: "AJW" |
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| Title: Re: Artificial means to weaken hurricanes |
05 Sep 2005 09:50:11 AM |
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I suspect there aren't too many places in the US where the probablitity
of a significant natural disaster is really low. What are the chances
if you live along the southeast or golf coast of suffering a complete
loss -- maybe 1 in 50 in a lifetime? That's the bet coastal dwellers
make. Enjoy the ocean every day, knowing there's a chance it'll enjoy
you one day.
It's called risk management (although the poor people who couldn't get
out of the delta may not have considered that equation -- daily bread
is more their issue).
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