Dr. you missed sci.energy.hydrogen, where the experts live.

Personally, I'd rather the government spend my money biodiesel
research rather than hydrogen fuel cells.

Dr. you missed sci.energy.hydrogen, where the experts live.

Personally, I'd rather the government spend my money biodiesel
research rather than hydrogen fuel cells.

Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

Automakers Put Hydrogen Power On the Fast Track

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[ Subject: Automakers Put Hydrogen Power On the Fast Track
[ From: Fidyl <fidyl@yahoo.com>
[ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005

Automakers Put Hydrogen Power On the Fast Track

By Greg Schneider
The Washington Post
Sunday 09 January 2005

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011005W.shtml

The brakes are controlled by a computer, so the car can stop a full
length shorter than most. Each rear wheel has its own motor and can
turn by itself, which not only improves traction but also makes
parallel parking a snap. And the only thing this car emits is water
vapor.

But for all the exotic gizmos on the Sequel, an experimental
hydrogen-powered car to be shown today by General Motors Corp., the
biggest breakthrough is that it is designed to drive as far and
accelerate as quickly as the cars in most driveways.

The Sequel uses fuel-cell technology that until now has not matched
the overall performance of gasoline engines. GM is introducing the
car at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit as rival
companies make similar announcements.

Passengers at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport will soon
ride on buses with hydrogen-powered engines, Ford Motor Co. chief
executive William Clay Ford Jr. is to announce today. Ford also is to
announce plans to create three gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles for
retail sale, and to rush the hybrid Mercury Mariner sport-utility
vehicle to showrooms later this year - a year ahead of schedule to
capitalize on consumer interest in hybrids.

Honda is showing off a new-generation hydrogen-fuel-cell car called
the FCX for the first time this week. While the car is not intended
for retail sale, it will show up in municipal fleets in New York,
California and elsewhere in the coming year.

After a century of dependence on oil-based fuel, the auto industry
is finally giving consumers a serious look at a future with little or
no gasoline power. The products showing up this week in Detroit have
far more corporate support than recent electricity-powered vehicles,
and are advanced beyond the demonstration vehicles shown by car
companies over the last few years. The fleet of fuel-cell minivans
that GM maintains in Washington, for example, has limited range and
must be operated by company employees.

By contrast, Honda lets almost anyone drive its FCX. In a recent
feature on the automotive research online site Edmunds.com, a
reviewer described picking up the FCX from a valet-parking attendant.

Hydrogen is still years away from reducing the nation's dependence
on foreign oil. No one has yet figured out how to generate large
amounts of hydrogen without causing as much pollution as
internal-combustion engines now create, or how to pay for a
nationwide distribution network. And the vehicles are prohibitively
expensive; if GM's Sequel were for sale, it would cost as much as a
warehouse full of Corvettes.

Still, auto industry executives say their business is on the verge
of a fundamental change.

"It's a frenzy" to get out front with new technology, said Mary
Ann Wright, director of such efforts at Ford. "What you're seeing is
a groundswell, not really of industry pushing as much as everybody
demanding that we really get serious about these solutions. . . . The
market's telling us something - they're ready for this kind of stuff.
The public is aware that we can't continue to consume oil like we
do."

People have sent that message in the way car companies understand
best: by buying products such as the Toyota Prius, the Honda Civic
Hybrid and the Ford Escape Hybrid. Rising fuel prices, instability in
the Middle East and concerns about global warming have helped sustain
the hybrid phenomenon, and U.S. car buyers have even turned away from
the biggest SUVs in favor of smaller models.

Most automakers consider hybrids to be a step toward the ultimate
solution - hydrogen fuel cells. Fuel cells work by combining hydrogen
with oxygen to create heat and electricity, with water the only
byproduct. Though many people associate hydrogen with disasters - the
hydrogen bomb, or the Hindenburg zeppelin explosion in 1937 -
scientists say the gas is in many ways safer than gasoline. Hydrogen
is the lightest element, so leaks dissipate quickly and are difficult
to concentrate enough to ignite. Hydrogen is stable, so it will not
explode just from an impact.

But those same properties make it challenging to store hydrogen in
a large-enough quantity to power a vehicle. The Bush administration
has pledged $1.2 billion over five years to sustain a
government-industry research partnership on hydrogen power, with many
auto and energy companies cooperating to develop the technology.

One thing, though, seems to have changed the tenor of the otherwise
polite hydrogen effort: Toyota's success with the Prius.

That car's unexpected popularity helped influence public policy,
with the federal government offering tax breaks to hybrid buyers and
state governments offering express-lane exemptions. The Prius gave
Toyota a "halo" of technological virtue, said Lindsay Brooke of the
auto consulting firm CSM Worldwide Inc. Now other companies want a
piece of the action.

GM, which has been slow to roll out hybrid products, is using the
Sequel to try to win some of the attention for hydrogen, Brooke said.

"We're reaching out to show that this is truly doable," GM
technology chief Lawrence D. Burns said. "We're talking about a real
car. It's not affordable yet, but I can assure you it's doable."

In 2002, GM showed a fuel-cell concept car called the Hy-Wire that
consisted of an 11-inch thick "skateboard" chassis that contained all
the working parts - one-tenth as many as in a conventional car - with
a body simply bolted on top. But the Hy-Wire was rickety to drive and
could never have met federal highway standards, let alone satisfied
demanding buyers.

The Sequel's biggest single advance, Burns said, is a
compressed-hydrogen storage tank that can hold enough fuel to give
the car a range of 300 miles. That is twice as far as the range of
older versions of fuel-cell cars, and is considered the threshold
distance to be marketable. With liquid hydrogen, the range could
extend to 450 miles, Burns said.

The Sequel also has a more powerful stack of fuel cells than
previously possible, cutting 0-to-60 mph acceleration time to fewer
than 10 seconds, comparable to most conventional cars.

GM is also working on the technology to produce and assemble the
Sequel, hoping to be able to build 1 million a year by 2010, Burns
said.

Not many in the industry agree with such a close date. "The goal is
to make it a practical technology, and it's going to be after 2010,"
said Ben Knight, vice president for research and development at Honda
USA. His company's fuel-cell car has a range of about 190 miles, and
is the only such vehicle certified by U.S. regulators for public use.

But while they disagree on specifics, virtually all automakers are
pushing to get more attention for hydrogen so that society, the
government and other industries will get ready for the eventual
change, Brooke said. "They're starting to force the public to look at
it and now the fuel industry needs to step up and develop the
infrastructure and develop the means to produce the hydrogen," he said.

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