Science > Physics > BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY
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27 Apr 2007 10:50:07 AM |
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BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/2525689c47c91cb3/68b6191b0c963d6d#68b6191b0c963d6d
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast=762
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 11:12:32 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1177689007.166157.135530@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread/252=
5689c47c91cb3/68b6191b0c963d6d#68b6191b0c963d6d
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! =20
Who are "we"? Baez and his Neaderthals can see speed?=20
Homo sapiens sapiens detect doppler shift and understand the PoR,
which is REALLY easy to see.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/AC/doppler.gif
Homo neanderthalensis is alive and well and living in Southern =
California
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 11:32:04 AM |
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On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
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| User: "Pentcho Valev" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 12:39:43 PM |
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Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
The better question is: Where is the speed of light in Faraday's
induction law (Maxwell's third equation):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/f49e2c6824f746b4/b263e4ccee9af9f0?lnk
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 01:02:50 PM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1177695583.073789.14540@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
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Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of =
light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other =
will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had =
a
conference:
=
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
"It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics--as usually understood at =
the present time--when applied to moving bodies, leads to asymmetries =
which do not appear to be inherent in the phenomena." -- Einstein.
=20
The better question is: Where is the speed of light in Faraday's
induction law (Maxwell's third equation):
=20
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/f=
49e2c6824f746b4/b263e4ccee9af9f0?lnk
=20
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 05:40:51 PM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1177695583.073789.14540@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
The better question is:
Why don't you try to answer the question:
"So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?"
?
Don't reply - this is a rhetorical meta-question.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
29 Apr 2007 10:43:00 AM |
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On Apr 27, 1:39 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
The better question is: Where is the speed of light in Faraday's
induction law (Maxwell's third equation):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thre...
Pentcho Valev
Depends on what units you're using. In SI, none of the homogeneous
equations have the constants in them. In cgs, both Ampere's and
Faraday's laws contain c. It's just an artifact of the way the units
have been defined. But then, you probably knew that already. Maybe
not.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
27 Apr 2007 09:38:50 PM |
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On Apr 27, 9:39 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
The better question is: Where is the speed of light in Faraday's
induction law (Maxwell's third equation):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thre...
Pentcho Valev
The speed of light as a transmission velocity enters when solving
Maxwell's equations in vacuum. Stuff the curl equations into
eachother, use the relevant vector identities, and use the fact that
the divergence of E and B is zero in vacuum. You get two wave
equations in E and B.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: BAEZ JUST DISCOVERED THE BIG DEAL ABOUT SPECIAL RELATIVITY |
28 Apr 2007 09:03:30 AM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1177727930.054592.108250@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 27, 9:39 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Igor wrote:
On Apr 27, 11:50 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/browse_frm/thread...
"So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of light
the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as we
indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the new
feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each other will
disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are."
Note also Baez's announcement that Einstein's criminal cult has had a
conference:
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
I choose Michael Friedman's title "Einstein and the relativized a
priori". This title is like no other title.
Pentcho Valev
So where is there a variable speed of light in Maxwell's equations?
The better question is: Where is the speed of light in Faraday's
induction law (Maxwell's third equation):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thre...
Pentcho Valev
The speed of light as a transmission velocity enters when solving
Maxwell's equations in vacuum. Stuff the curl equations into
eachother, use the relevant vector identities, and use the fact that
the divergence of E and B is zero in vacuum. You get two wave
equations in E and B.
You should have left him clueless.
Never answer a question yourself you asked someone who
refuses to answer it.
This can only backfire.
Elementary autistics psychology :-)
Dirk Vdm
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