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(Archimedes Plutonium) wrote in message news:<618e71c0.0310270934.35f1295f@posting.google.com>...
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quantify Baseball to other sports; Optimal Strategy for
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A friend asked me to watch this years World Series to render my
opinion.
I sketchedly watched and here is my opinion, as I usually do not have
time for such recreation.
I watched only parts of game 2 & 3 where the Florida Marlins were
being
overpowered, and missed game 1. And from game 3 I decided it was a
waste
of time to watch games 4 or 5 in that the New York Yanks would
probably
overpower the Marlins and so only watched a few innings of pitching. I
watched nearly the full game of 6.
I had seen some clips of Baseball sluggers such as B. Bonds and S.
Sosa
(excuse me if name is incorrect spelling) from the sports section of
the
local TV news when getting the weather report so I have some awareness
of the best hitters of Baseball.
I am not interested in sports only to the extent in which my
analytical
mind can
recast the sport as to Optimal Strategies.
Baseball Optimal Strategy: after watching this last game of World
Series
2003 I have concluded that there is a easily attained OS for Baseball
which includes these threads.
(1) The pitcher in Baseball, unlike many other sports, is the dominate
feature of baseball when you consider that of 9 players, the pitcher
has
a say in every offensive action.
(2) We can math quantify the dominance of Baseball pitcher with other
sports such as Football. Where the quarterback has a big control of
the
offense but not as much of control of the overall game as the Baseball
pitcher for defense. The quarterback if he ran every play would have
as
much control as the Baseball pitcher. But he does not and has a
handoff
to a running back or a receiver. So we can say mathwise that the
Baseball pitcher has 100% control of defense Say-of-Action whereas in
Football the quarterback at most has 25% to 33% Say-of-Action concept.
Because in each offensive play in Football, the quarterback either
runs
himself or hands to a runningback or throws to a receiver. But in
Baseball, every offensive play has a Say by the pitcher with his
pitch.
(3) So, unlike every other sport, the pitcher in Baseball is the
dominate feature because the Say-of-Action is 100% the pitcher.
So, the OS of Baseball in order to assemble a team that will win the
World Series for that year, is key in having as many pitchers that are
ace pitchers such as Beckett and Pavano of Marlins. Beckett pitching
was
superior to that of Pettite and Pavano to that of Clemens.
For 2004, if a team had 2 pitchers of the quality of Beckett, they
would
have the highest chances of reaching the World Series.
By the way, I did not see the pitchers batting, so I guess the game of
Baseball has made some progressive rule change where it is optional
for
the pitchers to go to bat; and in the old days I remember the pitcher
was usually the 9th spot hitter and usually an easy out. I guess the
new
rule is that when the option is picked that the team rotates the 8
hitters and leaves out the pitchers as hitters.
Getting back to this idea that pitching is the key to baseball
winning.
What does it matter for a team to have great hitting such as a Bonds
or
Sosa if they choke on pitching in that the other team with average
hitters but with great pitching. By the way, did Beckett pitch to
Bonds
and Sosa in the 2003 season and what was the result???
Now suppose the Yankees had both Bonds and Sosa in their lineup.
Facing
a Beckett. Would the Yankees have won the 2003 Series? If the Marlins
had 3 pitchers of the quality of Beckett then I would guess that the
Marlins would have still won the game.
I did see clips of the Boston game versus the Yankees and the Boston
ace
pitcher of Martinez (forgive the spelling). So I am guessing that
teams
that have at least one or two good pitchers make it to the playoffs.
Pitching is number one key.
So, these concepts would then ask for a Baseball historian to look at
the winning teams and to see whether every World Series champ had 2
excellent pitchers such as Beckett and Pavano for Florida in 2003.
So, the above should guide all club owners who aspire to win the World
Series that if your team has at least 2 excellent pitchers, is the
basic
prerequisite. And to concentrate the effort more in getting great
pitching than in getting great batting.
The batting of the Marlins was often frustrating and it seemed as
though
homeruns were a rarity for the Marlins so it goes to show that teams
that focus on hitting are not really the Optimal Strategy thread.
And finally a discussion of Pitching itself. I would hate to be a
pitcher personally because throwing a ball at 95 mph for many hours
has
a toll on the arm and is a job that does not last too long. I think
there is a Optimal-Strategy-Subset for pitching itself in baseball.
The
key is to get the batter out in fast quick time. That means it is no
good to strike out a batter rather than to get him to fly out. If a
pitcher is so good at devising a pitch that is popped up for a fly
out,
then that is better than going for 3 strikes because if you pitch a
ball
with a great spin on it such that the probability when hit popps up
then
conceivably 3 pitches for the inning can retire the side whereas
strikeouts require at least 9 pitches. By the way is there any
statistic
where a pitcher retires a complete side with only 3 pitches in all???
So, the pitcher that can devise a pitch that is prone to pop up is
superior to the pitcher that relies on fastballs and strikes. I am
guessing that some pitch has such a spin on it that the batter is
likely
to pop up or ground out.
The perfect pitched Baseball game would have 9 innings and only 9 X 3
=
27
pitches where all batters swung and hit the first pitch and popped out
or grounded out. Not the game where the pitcher made 9 X 9 = 81
pitches
and all strikes and all strikeouts.
Archimedes Plutonium,
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Now physics tells me that a 95mph pitch is added onto the hit vector
of a homerun hit. So, I wonder if all major league pitchers were to
begin slow pitching such as an underarm lob, whether batters such as
Bonds or Sosa are unable to hit a slow pitch as a homerun??
If so, then why in the world does not a club owner or manager ever
advise his pitchers to begin lobbing the ball at the plate as in
softball and here the aim is to force the batter to fly out or ground
out.
I think the entire game of baseball ought to be reexamined as to
whether pitching at high speeds is actually the best way to pitch.
I suspect no physicist or scientist has researched the Maximum
greatest pitch for our modern stadium distance to homeruns.
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
I noticed while watching the 6th game of 2003 World Series that most
hit pitches end up as foul balls. Going from that fact, then devise a
pitch that has the greatest likelihood of fouling and where a fielder
or the catcher or the infield can get to the ball and make the out.
I suspect that if a physicist closely and carefully examines the
physics of speed of pitch and a spin on the ball will render a flyout
most often. And that this speed is not a fast pitch but rather instead
a slow pitch.
Question: I just wonder if a Barry Bonds (excuse any misspelling) were
pitched the slowest strikes whether he can hit those as a homerun. It
is certain that he can hit fastballs as homeruns for the past seasons
proves that fact. If it is impossible for Bonds to hit a slow pitch
with a spin on it as a homerun, then it is obviously clear what the
future trend of baseball will be--- pitchers adopting slow pitching
with some wicked spins on the ball. And a gradual phase out of
fastball pitching.
Another physics to use on pitching is that when a ball is pitched high
and lofty such that it comes and falls down onto the homeplate and
when such a ball is hit
it is usually grounded and not airbound flight. I believe the physics
explanation for that is that the hitter's bat general hits the ball
not in the middle of the ball but the upper hemisphere of the ball is
struck by the bat causing the ball to head for the ground direction.
If that is the case, then a pitch that is slow and lofty and comes
falling down onto the homeplate as a strike pitch and if hit by the
batter would generally be a ground ball to an infielder and a easy out
at first or even a double play.
I do not know if the rules of Baseball make it such that a pitcher
must have a certain speed on the ball or whether the rules allow for a
softball pitcher to come into the sport and pitch the slowest pitches
possible.
I feel that no physicist has really involved himself thoroughly in the
sport of baseball and beginning to answer some of these questions that
I have raised. And if someone serious would get involved, I expect
many surprizes to issue forth from such a research. I believe the idea
of fast ball pitching is more of a faith than a science in that almost
everyone believes that fast ball pitching is superior to slow speed
pitching. But no-one has proven that belief. I am testing that belief
and saying it is faith and not science.
Prove: prove that fastball pitching is superior in getting hitters out
more than slow speed pitching. Additionally, spin on slow speed
pitching must be included
in the research.
As I said in my original post that a team that wants to win the World
Series must have 2 ace pitchers such as Beckett of the Florida Marlins
of 2003. Two such ace pitchers would give the highest probability of
winning the Series because if the first ace pitched game 1, and the
second ace pitched game 2, then the first ace would come back and
pitch game 3 and the second ace game 4 and thus a done deal.
And I suspect anyone can go back in baseball history since so much of
it is filmed, that one can see that a team that won the series had 2
pitchers that were higher aces than the defeated team.
Now if Florida had used Beckett in game 1, Pavano in game 2 and
Beckett in game 3
and Pavano in game 4 then the 2003 series should have ended after the
4 games. But since ace pitchers are not perfect and since the hitters
of the Marlins are not perfect that it took 6 games to defeat the
Yankees. But the Yankees were totally inferior in pitching to the
Marlins and due to that inferiority it was prone to defeat.
The World Series in baseball is a tournament to uncover what team in
baseball has the 2 most best ace pitchers. It is not about hitting.
And that is the sick thing about movies on baseball for rarely do
movies spend any time on the pitcher. But all movies on baseball
should be concentrated on the pitcher.
So, if anyone right now wants to figure out what team will win the
World Series in 2004, it is easier than you think. All you have to do
is scout and look at the teams for which team has the Two Best Ace
pitchers. And if they do not get injured during the season, then those
2 ace pitchers should nail down the World Series for you.
Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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28 Oct 2003 06:50:55 AM |
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"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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a_plutonium@hotmail.com (Archimedes Plutonium) wrote in message
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Subject:
quantify Baseball to other sports; Optimal Strategy for
Baseball
I think the entire game of baseball ought to be reexamined as to
whether pitching at high speeds is actually the best way to pitch.
I suspect no physicist or scientist has researched the Maximum
greatest pitch for our modern stadium distance to homeruns.
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
Archimedes might have a good point!
Ewell Blackwell was a "blooper ball" pitcher
who had a low earned run average,
and he appeared in several All Star games.
Ted Williams was the only person to hit
a home run off of one of his "blooper balls".
--
Tom Potter http://tompotter.us
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| User: "Patrick Powers" |
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29 Oct 2003 12:58:08 AM |
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"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:<bnlono$12qjae$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
Archimedes might have a good point!
Ewell Blackwell was a "blooper ball" pitcher
who had a low earned run average,
and he appeared in several All Star games.
Ted Williams was the only person to hit
a home run off of one of his "blooper balls".
Yes. Ewell threw only the occasional blooper, though.
And Ted had to take a three-step runup to hit that homer. It was
against the rules, but the ump allowed it.
I think that if the blooper ball became common then hitters would
learn how to place-hit it for singles and doubles. Either that or the
rules would be changed to ban it. So you couldn't win with something
like that.
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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29 Oct 2003 11:06:51 AM |
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(Patrick Powers) wrote in message news:<9511688f.0310282258.3693768@posting.google.com>...
"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:<bnlono$12qjae$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
Archimedes might have a good point!
Ewell Blackwell was a "blooper ball" pitcher
who had a low earned run average,
and he appeared in several All Star games.
Ted Williams was the only person to hit
a home run off of one of his "blooper balls".
Yes. Ewell threw only the occasional blooper, though.
And Ted had to take a three-step runup to hit that homer. It was
against the rules, but the ump allowed it.
I think that if the blooper ball became common then hitters would
learn how to place-hit it for singles and doubles. Either that or the
rules would be changed to ban it. So you couldn't win with something
like that.
I think one of the charms of baseball and crickett is that these pitchers
symbolize in sport the maximum throwing of the human arm. In that we see
the fastest throwing of the human arm even though pitchers will lose their
throwing ability in a mere 3 or 4 years and have a sort of permanent medical
disability for having thrown that hard for 3 or 4 years. So I think that
human society will always demand a sport in which the ultimate demand of
the throwing arm is called for.
Even though for baseball, the direction of the sport for Optimal Strategy
is that the pitcher perfect a slow pitch with a wicked spin.
Patrick suggests that slow pitches will be circumvented by batters as they
begin to learn how to "place hit" for easier singles and doubles. I would
suggest that the spin on the slow pitch is more controllable than any spin
on fastpitches and that the total control over a pitch is so much greater
with a slow pitch that the pitches are so much more easier to duplicate
that the batters will never really be able to "place-hit" the ball into the
field. I say this because the control of the pitch by the pitcher in slow
pitches is so much greater than the control of the batter to place-hit.
Major league baseball pitching has had over 100 years experience with what
spins can be added onto fastball pitching and has had perhaps 0 years time
in learning and practicing what spins can be put on slowball pitching with
the exception of the blooper pitchers such as Ewell Blackwell. So this
area of experience is ripe open for all of us to learn.
The distance from the pitching mound to homeplate was designed for fastballs
and not slowballs. So that maybe a problem as pitchers begin to adopt the new
and better form of pitching.
Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "Danny Purvis" |
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29 Oct 2003 01:57:31 PM |
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(Patrick Powers) wrote in message news:<9511688f.0310282258.3693768@posting.google.com>...
"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:<bnlono$12qjae$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
Archimedes might have a good point!
Ewell Blackwell was a "blooper ball" pitcher
who had a low earned run average,
and he appeared in several All Star games.
Ted Williams was the only person to hit
a home run off of one of his "blooper balls".
Yes. Ewell threw only the occasional blooper, though.
And Ted had to take a three-step runup to hit that homer. It was
against the rules, but the ump allowed it.
Rip Sewell, not Ewell Blackwell. I guess the common string "ewell"
plays tricks. But I think Ted ran up because the pitch would have
fallen short of the plate otherwise. That was the second blooper (or
"eephus", as he called it) Sewell served up to Williams in the same at
bat. (His side was losing badly and, though sore-armed, he was put in
to give a show. It was the All Star game, a meaningless exhibition,
after all.) And he announced it before hand! Ted Williams was not
going to let another easy one slip by.
I think that if the blooper ball became common then hitters would
learn how to place-hit it for singles and doubles. Either that or the
rules would be changed to ban it. So you couldn't win with something
like that.
Oh, I think if the pitch became common, plenty of players would also
hit it out of the park with great regularity. Tony Perez once hit a
gigantic shot off a blooper pitch to win a World Series. If the pitch
became common, the players would prepare for it intensively, and these
guys are phenomenally gifted, are incredible hitting machines. That's
why it's not used often.
Archimedes Plutonium is genuinely clueless about the depth of baseball
culture. Every facet of junk ball theory has been thoroughly explored
by people far cleverer than he.
I strongly doubt your statement that the blooper ball would be
outlawed if it became too successful. The pitch is already deeply
rooted in baseball's colorful tradition, and baseball loves its
tradition.
Danny Purvis
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| User: "Patrick Powers" |
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31 Oct 2003 11:22:56 PM |
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(Danny Purvis) wrote in message news:<9a2dfd4d.0310291157.569da8a0@posting.google.com>...
Every facet of junk ball theory has been thoroughly explored
by people far cleverer than he.
Read a book on pitching, there is a theory about what every joint in
the body should be doing. Did you know you're not supposed to flex
your left foot when raised? Many major league pitchers don't conform
to these theories, though, you see all sorts of weird motions.
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| User: "ZZBunker" |
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29 Oct 2003 06:29:13 PM |
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(Danny Purvis) wrote in message news:<9a2dfd4d.0310291157.569da8a0@posting.google.com>...
frisbieinstein@yahoo.com (Patrick Powers) wrote in message news:<9511688f.0310282258.3693768@posting.google.com>...
"Tom Potter" <tdp@hotsheet.com> wrote in message news:<bnlono$12qjae$1@ID-188019.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I would not be at all surprized if a slow underarm pitch with a spin
on the ball
renders the most popups.
Archimedes might have a good point!
Ewell Blackwell was a "blooper ball" pitcher
who had a low earned run average,
and he appeared in several All Star games.
Ted Williams was the only person to hit
a home run off of one of his "blooper balls".
Yes. Ewell threw only the occasional blooper, though.
And Ted had to take a three-step runup to hit that homer. It was
against the rules, but the ump allowed it.
Rip Sewell, not Ewell Blackwell. I guess the common string "ewell"
plays tricks. But I think Ted ran up because the pitch would have
fallen short of the plate otherwise. That was the second blooper (or
"eephus", as he called it) Sewell served up to Williams in the same at
bat. (His side was losing badly and, though sore-armed, he was put in
to give a show. It was the All Star game, a meaningless exhibition,
after all.) And he announced it before hand! Ted Williams was not
going to let another easy one slip by.
I think that if the blooper ball became common then hitters would
learn how to place-hit it for singles and doubles. Either that or the
rules would be changed to ban it. So you couldn't win with something
like that.
Oh, I think if the pitch became common, plenty of players would also
hit it out of the park with great regularity. Tony Perez once hit a
gigantic shot off a blooper pitch to win a World Series. If the pitch
became common, the players would prepare for it intensively, and these
guys are phenomenally gifted, are incredible hitting machines. That's
why it's not used often.
Yeah, right. A Nolan Ryan fast ball is common when you're up
against Nolan Ryan. And sluggers usually almost go slugging
to a corked bat to hit the heat, rather than some
idiot's lucid-dreaming biomed dork drug camp in Florida.
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| User: "Norm Dresner" |
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28 Oct 2003 07:51:26 AM |
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Whether a pitcher is hittable or not depends solely on whether the batter
can predict when the ball will cross the plate and where the ball will be at
that moment.
Fastballs are difficult to hit because their inherent spread of velocities
(typically 80-100 MPH) make it difficult for the batter to know when to
swing -- the "change up" is a slow ball delivered with exactly the same
motion as a fastball and its velocity (typically 60-80 MPH) tempts the
batter to swing long before the ball reaches the plate.
Curve balls are difficult to hit because it's very difficult for the batter
to know how much the ball will curve -- i.e. how much below the point of the
trajectory of a fastball of the same speed where it will cross the plate.
The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Norm
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| User: "Richard Henry" |
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29 Oct 2003 01:12:04 PM |
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"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message
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Whether a pitcher is hittable or not depends solely on whether the batter
can predict when the ball will cross the plate and where the ball will be
at
that moment.
Fastballs are difficult to hit because their inherent spread of velocities
(typically 80-100 MPH) make it difficult for the batter to know when to
swing -- the "change up" is a slow ball delivered with exactly the same
motion as a fastball and its velocity (typically 60-80 MPH) tempts the
batter to swing long before the ball reaches the plate.
Curve balls are difficult to hit because it's very difficult for the
batter
to know how much the ball will curve -- i.e. how much below the point of
the
trajectory of a fastball of the same speed where it will cross the plate.
The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even
more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Randy Jones won the Cy Young award pitching mostly sinkers that averaged 75
MPH.
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| User: "Patrick Powers" |
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31 Oct 2003 11:32:43 PM |
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"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message news:<yvunb.197364$0v4.15324935@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Norm
Not so. The most unhittable pitchers are those who can throw the ball
extremely hard. There is so much spin on the ball it rises a lot.
There is usually at most one in the major leagues at any one time, and
he can keep it up for only a year or two. Your Mark Fidrych/Tom
Seaver/Dwight Goodin types, with ERAS around 1.2.
I've seen very successful pitchers who threw the same pitch over and
over.
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| User: "Norm Dresner" |
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01 Nov 2003 12:51:02 AM |
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"Patrick Powers" <frisbieinstein@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message
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The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even
more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving
and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is
thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Norm
Not so. The most unhittable pitchers are those who can throw the ball
extremely hard. There is so much spin on the ball it rises a lot.
There is usually at most one in the major leagues at any one time, and
he can keep it up for only a year or two. Your Mark Fidrych/Tom
Seaver/Dwight Goodin types, with ERAS around 1.2.
I've seen very successful pitchers who threw the same pitch over and
over.
But they don't throw it to the same place. High, low, low, high,
inside, ... it still keeps the batter guessing.
Norm
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| User: "Tom Potter" |
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01 Nov 2003 09:21:51 AM |
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(Patrick Powers) wrote in message news:<9511688f.0310312132.7a27be5e@posting.google.com>...
"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message news:<yvunb.197364$0v4.15324935@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Norm
Not so. The most unhittable pitchers are those who can throw the ball
extremely hard. There is so much spin on the ball it rises a lot.
There is usually at most one in the major leagues at any one time, and
he can keep it up for only a year or two. Your Mark Fidrych/Tom
Seaver/Dwight Goodin types, with ERAS around 1.2.
I've seen very successful pitchers who threw the same pitch over and
over.
The best pitchers are the ones who
consistently throw fast, low strikes,
and who occasionally **seem** to get
extremely wild, and throw balls
behind the batter.
As Patrick Powers mentions,
Mark Fidrych was a good example of this.
Even the most disciplined fast ball pitcher
should make the batters think he is a little crazy
in order to keep them from digging in.
No one likes to get hit by a hard object
traveling at 90 mph.
--
Tom Potter
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| Title: Re: better to slow pitch in majors Re: Optimal Strategy for Baseball; 2003 World Series |
01 Nov 2003 01:51:01 PM |
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(Tom Potter) wrote in message news:<f76e0bb3.0311010721.717a1182@posting.google.com>...
frisbieinstein@yahoo.com (Patrick Powers) wrote in message news:<9511688f.0310312132.7a27be5e@posting.google.com>...
"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message news:<yvunb.197364$0v4.15324935@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
The most "unhittable" pitchers are (a) knuckleball pitchers and (b) the
so-called junk-ball pitchers. Knuckleball pitchers succeed because even
they don't know where the ball will cross the plate; the batter is even more
perplexed. Junk-ball pitchers simply throw such a variety of curving and
swerving pitchers that the batter also can't predict what the next pitch
will be.
In general, it really doesn't matter what kind or speed of pitch is thrown
if the batter can predict when to swing to hit it.
Norm
Not so. The most unhittable pitchers are those who can throw the ball
extremely hard. There is so much spin on the ball it rises a lot.
There is usually at most one in the major leagues at any one time, and
he can keep it up for only a year or two. Your Mark Fidrych/Tom
Seaver/Dwight Goodin types, with ERAS around 1.2.
I've seen very successful pitchers who threw the same pitch over and
over.
The best pitchers are the ones who
consistently throw fast, low strikes,
and who occasionally **seem** to get
extremely wild, and throw balls
behind the batter.
As Patrick Powers mentions,
Mark Fidrych was a good example of this.
Even the most disciplined fast ball pitcher
should make the batters think he is a little crazy
in order to keep them from digging in.
No one likes to get hit by a hard object
traveling at 90 mph.
But, since nobody likes to get beaten with a
Police Baton either, that's why Baseball
is just a Chemist's game, so that they can
have regular meetings with their Mafia Lawyers.
Whereas Downhill Skiing with loaded M-16's
is a real man's game.
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