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24 Dec 2007 10:17:11 AM |
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Black holes have nothing in them. |
Black holes have nothing in them.
They are standing waves of spin created and fuelled by acceleration
in the super-universe. The spin is so intense that all the virtual
pairs that used to
reside in that space are ejected as HEPs (high energy particles)
Anything attempting to return to that
space, such as neutron stars, will be virtually instantly
disintegrated
and ejected again as HEPs.
John
Galaxy Model
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Black holes have nothing in them. |
24 Dec 2007 10:47:14 AM |
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"malibu" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
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: Black holes have nothing in them.
True. There is one between your ears.
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24 Dec 2007 12:46:48 PM |
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On Dec 24, 8:47=A0am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: Black holes have nothing in them.
True. There is one between your ears.
In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
hole.
Mitch Raemsch
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| User: "s.desear" |
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24 Dec 2007 02:04:00 PM |
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On Dec 24, 10:46=A0am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 24, 8:47=A0am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...=
: Black holes have nothing in them.
True. There is one between your ears.
In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside =A0a black
hole.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
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| User: "Androcles" |
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24 Dec 2007 02:11:17 PM |
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"s.desear" <s.desear@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: Black holes have nothing in them.
True. There is one between your ears.
In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
hole.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
*plonk*
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: Black holes have nothing in them. |
24 Dec 2007 11:40:40 PM |
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On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: Black holes have nothing in them.
True. There is one between your ears.
In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
hole.
Mitch Raemsch
Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
*plonk*
Plonk 'em all, man.
Then you can listen to yourself...........
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| User: "Androcles" |
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25 Dec 2007 12:15:49 AM |
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"malibu" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:319b9f7d-07da-4b01-9427-ad0e2d9d8cf9@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > "s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: > On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >
: > > On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: >
: > > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: >
: > >
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > > > : Black holes have nothing in them.
: >
: > > > True. There is one between your ears.
: >
: > > In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
: > > said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
: > > hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
: > > hole.
: >
: > > Mitch Raemsch
: >
: > Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
: > matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
: >
: > I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
: > *plonk*
:
:
: Plonk 'em all, man.
No, I'll keep one or two clowns around for a laugh. You'll do.
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| User: "malibu" |
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25 Dec 2007 12:23:36 AM |
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On Dec 25, 12:15 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:319b9f7d-07da-4b01-9427-ad0e2d9d8cf9@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > "s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >
: >news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: > On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >
: > > On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: >
: > > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: >
: > >
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > > > : Black holes have nothing in them.
: >
: > > > True. There is one between your ears.
: >
: > > In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
: > > said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
: > > hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
: > > hole.
: >
: > > Mitch Raemsch
: >
: > Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
: > matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
: >
: > I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
: > *plonk*
:
:
: Plonk 'em all, man.
No, I'll keep one or two clowns around for a laugh. You'll do.
So, where do the high energy particle jets come from?
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| User: "Androcles" |
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25 Dec 2007 01:00:32 AM |
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"malibu" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:3b10fa65-8beb-45c1-adb3-e0ccd6ab6688@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 25, 12:15 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:319b9f7d-07da-4b01-9427-ad0e2d9d8cf9@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > : > "s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : >
: > :
news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: > : > On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > : >
: > : > > On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a>
wrote:
: > : >
: > : > > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: > : >
: > : > >
: >
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > : > > > : Black holes have nothing in them.
: > : >
: > : > > > True. There is one between your ears.
: > : >
: > : > > In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn
has
: > : > > said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
: > : > > hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a
black
: > : > > hole.
: > : >
: > : > > Mitch Raemsch
: > : >
: > : > Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep
in
: > : > matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
: > : >
: > : > I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
: > : > *plonk*
: > :
: > :
: > : Plonk 'em all, man.
: >
: > No, I'll keep one or two clowns around for a laugh. You'll do.
:
:
: So, where do the high energy particle jets come from?
The first thing you think of, naturally. Someone whispers
"black hole" to you and you instantly knee-jerk "Yes, that
must be it!"
Where does Santa Claus come from?
I know! I know! North Pole! Am I right? Am I, am I?
High energy particle jets come from quasars.
What are quasars?
Anything you want them to be, nobody knows.
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| User: "malibu" |
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25 Dec 2007 12:30:11 AM |
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On Dec 25, 12:23 am, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On Dec 25, 12:15 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
"malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:319b9f7d-07da-4b01-9427-ad0e2d9d8cf9@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > "s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >
: >news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: > On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: >
: > > On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: >
: > > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: >
: > >
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > > > : Black holes have nothing in them.
: >
: > > > True. There is one between your ears.
: >
: > > In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn has
: > > said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a black
: > > hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a black
: > > hole.
: >
: > > Mitch Raemsch
: >
: > Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep in
: > matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
: >
: > I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
: > *plonk*
:
:
: Plonk 'em all, man.
No, I'll keep one or two clowns around for a laugh. You'll do.
So, where do the high energy particle jets come from?
I think a good portion of a
galaxy's mass might be located where these
jets are ending up; somewhere perhaps quite distant
from the center.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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25 Dec 2007 01:05:20 AM |
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"malibu" <vegan16@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
news:391fb1a6-02a6-4135-a985-62d04a8a20ea@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Dec 25, 12:23 am, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
: > On Dec 25, 12:15 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: >
: >
: >
: > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: >
: >
news:319b9f7d-07da-4b01-9427-ad0e2d9d8cf9@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: > > : On Dec 24, 2:11 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a> wrote:
: > > : > "s.desear" <s.des...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > > : >
: > > :
news:6413403b-e349-4975-b2cf-b260632b17bc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: > > : > On Dec 24, 10:46 am, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
: > > : >
: > > : > > On Dec 24, 8:47 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_a>
wrote:
: > > : >
: > > : > > > "malibu" <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote in message
: > > : >
: > > : > >
: > >
news:e38b6a32-9418-4233-b36a-76c59fcacdaf@x29g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
: > > : > > > : Black holes have nothing in them.
: > > : >
: > > : > > > True. There is one between your ears.
: > > : >
: > > : > > In order to deal with matter falling faster than light Kip Thorn
has
: > > : > > said that matter just reaches light speed when it falls in a
black
: > > : > > hole. If that were true then there is no more gravity inside a
black
: > > : > > hole.
: > > : >
: > > : > > Mitch Raemsch
: > > : >
: > > : > Mitch Better to think no spin or space than just nothing Lets keep
in
: > > : > matter particles back to back. Sandra the Sunbeam girl
: > > : >
: > > : > I plonked the moron, and you can go too.
: > > : > *plonk*
: > > :
: > > :
: > > : Plonk 'em all, man.
: >
: > > No, I'll keep one or two clowns around for a laugh. You'll do.
: >
: > So, where do the high energy particle jets come from?
:
:
: I think a good portion of a
: galaxy's mass might be located where these
: jets are ending up; somewhere perhaps quite distant
: from the center.
Yeah, sure. Whatever you say.
That's not thinking, that's pure speculation.
Did Santa leave you a prezzy?
Did you leave out milk and cookies for him?
Your wild guesses are as much use as any other crank's.
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| User: "s.desear" |
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24 Dec 2007 01:58:43 PM |
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On Dec 24, 8:17=A0am, malibu <vega...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
Black holes have nothing in them.
They are standing waves of spin created and fuelled by acceleration
in the super-universe. The spin is so intense that all the virtual
pairs that used to
reside in that space are ejected as HEPs (high energy particles)
Anything attempting to return to that
space, such as neutron stars, will be virtually instantly
disintegrated
and ejected again as HEPs.
John
Galaxy Model
Or Every thing with no spase between all that is Sandra The Sunbeam
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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24 Dec 2007 10:36:56 AM |
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malibu wrote:
Black holes have nothing in them.
That's right.... the mass is gone... leaving a
region of warped space and time with properties
proportional to the mass that fell in.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/expl-thorne.html
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| User: "malibu" |
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24 Dec 2007 11:56:55 PM |
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On Dec 24, 10:36 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
Black holes have nothing in them.
That's right.... the mass is gone... leaving a
region of warped space and time with properties
proportional to the mass that fell in.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/expl-thorne.html
Here's what you posted earlier:
"TON Sci Fri: Attack of the Black Hole (aired Friday, Dec. 21, 2007)
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200712215
Astronomers have captured an image of a jet of high energy
particles leaving a black hole at the center of one galaxy
to strike the edge of neighboring galaxy. The "death star"
galaxy and its victim make up the system 3C321, found about
1.4 billion light years away in the constellation Serpens
(coordinates RA 15h 31m 42.70s | Dec +24=BA 04' 25.00'')
Black hole jets can produce high levels of radiation,
potentially sparking new star formation in their path."
Now, I've been saying all along that as soon as
something falls into a black hole, it is ejected as
plasma- high energy particles. That's what
they do; they continually renew the star population.
The black hole is an extreme vortex that spins
particles right back up. Nothing stays in it for long.
John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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25 Dec 2007 07:47:21 AM |
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malibu wrote:
On Dec 24, 10:36 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
Black holes have nothing in them.
That's right.... the mass is gone... leaving a
region of warped space and time with properties
proportional to the mass that fell in.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/expl-thorne.html
Here's what you posted earlier:
"TON Sci Fri: Attack of the Black Hole (aired Friday, Dec. 21, 2007)
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200712215
Astronomers have captured an image of a jet of high energy
particles leaving a black hole at the center of one galaxy
to strike the edge of neighboring galaxy. The "death star"
galaxy and its victim make up the system 3C321, found about
1.4 billion light years away in the constellation Serpens
(coordinates RA 15h 31m 42.70s | Dec +24º 04' 25.00'')
Black hole jets can produce high levels of radiation,
potentially sparking new star formation in their path."
Now, I've been saying all along that as soon as
something falls into a black hole, it is ejected as
plasma- high energy particles. That's what
they do; they continually renew the star population.
The black hole is an extreme vortex that spins
particles right back up. Nothing stays in it for long.
John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
Could be you'll never understand the difference, John.
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| User: "malibu" |
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25 Dec 2007 10:03:45 AM |
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On Dec 25, 7:47 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
On Dec 24, 10:36 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
Black holes have nothing in them.
That's right.... the mass is gone... leaving a
region of warped space and time with properties
proportional to the mass that fell in.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/blackhole/expl-thorne.html
Here's what you posted earlier:
"TON Sci Fri: Attack of the Black Hole (aired Friday, Dec. 21, 2007)
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200712215
Astronomers have captured an image of a jet of high energy
particles leaving a black hole at the center of one galaxy
to strike the edge of neighboring galaxy. The "death star"
galaxy and its victim make up the system 3C321, found about
1.4 billion light years away in the constellation Serpens
(coordinates RA 15h 31m 42.70s | Dec +24=BA 04' 25.00'')
Black hole jets can produce high levels of radiation,
potentially sparking new star formation in their path."
Now, I've been saying all along that as soon as
something falls into a black hole, it is ejected as
plasma- high energy particles. That's what
they do; they continually renew the star population.
The black hole is an extreme vortex that spins
particles right back up. Nothing stays in it for long.
John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
Could be you'll never understand the difference, John.
Understanding comes when observations start adding up.
The BH itself has a certain gravitation.
It expells the HEPs which equal that gravitation
in total and which form into stars.
So half the gravitation is at the center and the rest
shared between the stars and the clouds of plasma.
The gravitation is not because there is anything there- there isn't.
The gravitation is because the vortex absorbs everything that
encounters it.
John
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