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"Pentcho Valev" |
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17 Oct 2006 02:36:22 AM |
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BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/connected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
17 Oct 2006 05:12:15 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| "Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
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| Pentcho Valev
That's ok, we need to trim dead wood.
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| User: "Greg Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
17 Oct 2006 08:53:24 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/connected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
Pentcho Valev
"Scientists mourned the proposed closure of another physics department
yesterday and complained that higher education is now being shaped by
the choices of teenagers and not by government or the needs of the economy."
The needs of the economy? Hiring managers determine the needs of the
economy. And the choices of those 17 year olds are shaped, in part, by
their expectations of employability. I wonder if these esteemed British
educators examined the proportion of physics graduates that find
employment outside of their field.
I suppose Pentcho will find a way to say it's Einstein's fault.
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
17 Oct 2006 10:52:15 AM |
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"Greg Hansen" <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote in message
news:eh2n75030ai@enews3.newsguy.com...
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/connected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
Pentcho Valev
[HansEn]
"Scientists mourned the proposed closure of another physics department
yesterday and complained that higher education is now being shaped by the
choices of teenagers and not by government or the needs of the economy."
The needs of the economy? Hiring managers determine the needs of the
economy. And the choices of those 17 year olds are shaped, in part, by
their expectations of employability. I wonder if these esteemed British
educators examined the proportion of physics graduates that find
employment outside of their field.
I suppose Pentcho will find a way to say it's Einstein's fault.
[hansOn]
But Greg, Pentcho is right in exposing this festering techno-social boil.
For the last 50 years, since Einstein's death, the Zionists have oversold
Einstein's manufactured importance so pathetically to achieve their own
goals that vast reserves of human potential were needlessly wasted.
Just look at this little corner of phys. NGs.... Have you never noticed how
many physics graduates, BSc, MSc and especially Ph.D's, have NOT
found employment in a field of physics but have been forced to become
computer programmers?
Not only Pentcho but the *.edu world all over is waking up from this
gross nightmare and are beginning to realize the severity of the curse
that fell on and victimized humankind in the last 2-3 generations.
There are some lumiaries that have said the same in gentler terms:
Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech, expressed his sentiments
with "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth
century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
....and in some minds the problem is even more wide spread:
"In the future, Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition ,
essentially associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein!
F.A Hayek, Nobel Price for Economy.
.... ahahaha...Pentcho is just a Johnny-come-lately on this issue.
ahahaha.... ahahahahanson
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| User: "Greg Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
18 Oct 2006 06:57:42 PM |
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hanson wrote:
"Greg Hansen" <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote in message
news:eh2n75030ai@enews3.newsguy.com...
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/connected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
Pentcho Valev
[HansEn]
"Scientists mourned the proposed closure of another physics department
yesterday and complained that higher education is now being shaped by the
choices of teenagers and not by government or the needs of the economy."
The needs of the economy? Hiring managers determine the needs of the
economy. And the choices of those 17 year olds are shaped, in part, by
their expectations of employability. I wonder if these esteemed British
educators examined the proportion of physics graduates that find
employment outside of their field.
I suppose Pentcho will find a way to say it's Einstein's fault.
[hansOn]
But Greg, Pentcho is right in exposing this festering techno-social boil.
For the last 50 years, since Einstein's death, the Zionists have oversold
Einstein's manufactured importance so pathetically to achieve their own
goals that vast reserves of human potential were needlessly wasted.
Just look at this little corner of phys. NGs.... Have you never noticed how
many physics graduates, BSc, MSc and especially Ph.D's, have NOT
found employment in a field of physics but have been forced to become
computer programmers?
Computer programming has become a mature field with a body of knowledge
expected of any new hire. The typical physics curriculum doesn't teach
things like UML and OOP. (Heck, even books with titles like
"Object-Oriented Programming in C++" don't teach OOP.) Add that we're
still in the aftermath of the dot.bomb, that work is being shipped
overseas, and that in many respects the advance of technology means more
can be done by fewer people, and not even computer science majors are
getting jobs as computer programmers. In the U.S., enrollment in
computer science departments is probably dropping faster than enrollment
in physics departments.
Not only Pentcho but the *.edu world all over is waking up from this
gross nightmare and are beginning to realize the severity of the curse
that fell on and victimized humankind in the last 2-3 generations.
There are some lumiaries that have said the same in gentler terms:
Professor Carver A. Mead of Caltech, expressed his sentiments
with "It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth
century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of physics."
...and in some minds the problem is even more wide spread:
"In the future, Humanity will see in our Epoch an Era of superstition ,
essentially associated with the names of Marx, Freud and Einstein!
F.A Hayek, Nobel Price for Economy.
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
18 Oct 2006 11:59:13 PM |
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Greg Hansen wrote:
[...]
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
There is no logical reason to expect the next theory to replace GR and
QM will be easier to understand than either of them.
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
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| User: "Greg Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
19 Oct 2006 09:02:17 AM |
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Eric Gisse wrote:
Greg Hansen wrote:
[...]
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
There is no logical reason to expect the next theory to replace GR and
QM will be easier to understand than either of them.
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
I don't want to say necessarily more complicated. But weirder, anyway.
Common sense is pretty much derived from common experience before you're
ten years old. But I don't presume that I knew everything important
about nature by that time. To say that Newton works all the way up to c
is really nothing more than a profession of faith held despite the evidence.
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
19 Oct 2006 04:47:21 AM |
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Eric Gisse wrote:
Greg Hansen wrote:
[...]
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
There is no logical reason to expect the next theory to replace GR and
QM will be easier to understand than either of them.
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
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pleae listen carefully what the
22 years student from Alaka is teaching you
he got a licence from his psychiatrist
to be the big teacher of all these ng
and he got as well support and a licence for it from the
great mm (parrot mm mumbler )
they met at trhe same clinic .......and the same 'school'
Y.Porat
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
19 Oct 2006 11:06:18 AM |
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Hey, Yehi, as I promised, I will get around to your theory when the
current wave of fun I have subsides. Not only here but out at the
reef too where we made a superbly large catch of beautiful tropical
fish with the Cyanide Method to fill the order placed by some EU/AT
client to our Marine Development Division here. Talk to you when
things get quieter... ahahaha... ahahanson
"Y.Porat" <maporat@012.net.il> wrote in message
news:1161251241.649210.215050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Eric Gisse wrote:
Greg Hansen wrote:
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/5e6689e706143514
[...]
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even
less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
There is no logical reason to expect the next theory to replace GR and
QM will be easier to understand than either of them.
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
----------------------
pleae listen carefully what the
22 years student from Alaka is teaching you
he got a licence from his psychiatrist
to be the big teacher of all these ng
and he got as well support and a licence for it from the
great mm (parrot mm mumbler )
they met at trhe same clinic .......and the same 'school'
Y.Porat
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
19 Oct 2006 12:55:31 AM |
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In article <1161233947.814499.111960@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> writes:
Greg Hansen wrote:
[...]
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
There is no logical reason to expect the next theory to replace GR and
QM will be easier to understand than either of them.
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
I'm pretty sure they didn't. At most they did some high school
problems and think that that's all there is to it.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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| User: "Timo A. Nieminen" |
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19 Oct 2006 02:16:49 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2006, Eric Gisse wrote:
Greg Hansen wrote:
And Dr. Gregory L. Hansen says that one day new theories will supercede
Einstein's, and Carver A. Mead and F. A. Hayek will like them even less.
Thats the thing that always gets me.
Physics is getting *more* detailed, not *less* detailed. The amount of
understanding required ot fully utilize a theory is only going up.
Helmholtz got into physics because it was a small enough field such that
he could actually know _everything_ in the field - beforehand, he was a
physiologist, but didn't like have the enforced gaps in his knowledge. I
wonder what he'd bail out from physics into these days if he was around
and working?
Then again, most of the people who complain about the difficulty of GR
and QM probably have never actually done a classical mechanics problem
that actually takes some actual thought.
Typical first year physics course: 3D mechanics with point masses,
rotational dynamics only done in 1D, with the possible exception of
precession, which nicely bends student minds. There's a reason for this.
And classical mechanics is the easy part of classical physics - it's only
ODEs, right? Classical field theory - electromag, fluid mechanics,
elastodynamics and the like - where the PDE dragon comes and stomps on you
is no easier than GR, QM etc where the PDE dragon also comes to visit.
Given that the usual problems treated in GR/QM courses are baby problems,
students who complain don't know just how good they have it!
--
Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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| User: "Ahmed Ouahi, Architect" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
17 Oct 2006 09:21:33 AM |
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Wondering alive longer
Break individual a day
Put in a long box deeper
Box put in each a day
Mostly for a longer
Dominance is a power
Put down always other
Do die evryday deeper
Next deeper to the day
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Supporte things for day
Especially yourself along
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Dream do see a longer
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Matter anyway is a way
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Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
"Greg Hansen" <glhansen@tcq.net> wrote in message
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/conn
ected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
Pentcho Valev
"Scientists mourned the proposed closure of another physics department
yesterday and complained that higher education is now being shaped by
the choices of teenagers and not by government or the needs of the
economy."
The needs of the economy? Hiring managers determine the needs of the
economy. And the choices of those 17 year olds are shaped, in part, by
their expectations of employability. I wonder if these esteemed British
educators examined the proportion of physics graduates that find
employment outside of their field.
I suppose Pentcho will find a way to say it's Einstein's fault.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: BREATHTAKING REVOLUTION IN PHYSICS |
17 Oct 2006 03:07:55 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/connected/2006/09/30/ecphysics30.xml
"Another university to drop physics...In the past decade 19 physics
departments have merged or closed."
You are like the anti-Bob Park.
Pentcho Valev
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