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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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20 Oct 2005 03:53:47 PM |
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Brown Dwarfs ??? |
Well if I had to pick an object in the universe for the most dark
matter in the universe I would pick
"brown dwarfs"Reason is that they are bodies that are not massive enough
to become stars. Don't have enough of pressures and temperatures to
cause the nuclear actions that power the stars. Our Sun in another 6
billion years will become a "white dwarf" and I wonder when a white
dwarf uses up its residual heat it cools down to a brown dwarf?? That
makes two ways to form this object and that is the heart of my thinking
there are a lot of them out there. Best to realize they have to be
massive. Lots of space between the stars to house stuff that does
not radiate the EM force. In reality only Darla knows. Bert PS When I
say pressues and temperatures I feel I should just say pressure After
all its the pressure that creates the temperature
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| User: "marika" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 01:05:47 PM |
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4191-435803DB-42@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net...
Well if I had to pick an object in the universe for the most dark
matter in the universe I would pick
"brown dwarfs"Reason is that they are bodies that are not massive enough
to become stars. Don't have enough of pressures and temperatures to
cause the nuclear actions that power the stars. Our Sun in another 6
billion years will become a "white dwarf" and I wonder when a white
dwarf uses up its residual heat it cools down to a brown dwarf?? That
makes two ways to form this object and that is the heart of my thinking
there are a lot of them out there. Best to realize they have to be
massive. Lots of space between the stars to house stuff that does
not radiate the EM force. In reality only Darla knows. Bert PS When I
say pressues and temperatures I feel I should just say pressure After
all its the pressure that creates the temperature
have you seen these yourself?
mk5000
"Actually, there was an oddball little movie called, "The Atomic Man"
about a fellow who's stuck seven and a half seconds in the future.
Very weird scene in which the man is being questioned and seems to be
speaking in non-sequiturs, and it's only afterward when they review
the questions and the answers that they realize that he's not
answering the question they've just asked, but rather is answering the
question they're *about* to ask."--nmstevens
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 04:40:04 PM |
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mk5000 No I have never seen or read that they have been seen. Still I
read that some of the dark matter undoubtedly exists in the form of
"brown dwarfs" Now I theorize if white dwarfs become brown dwarfs than
in time 93% of the universe could have these objects spread out in its
vast volume of galactic space. Making brown dwarfs the big contender for
the missing mass of our universe. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 05:52:31 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
mk5000 No I have never seen or read that they have been seen. Still I
read that some of the dark matter undoubtedly exists in the form of
"brown dwarfs" Now I theorize if white dwarfs become brown dwarfs than
in time 93% of the universe could have these objects spread out in its
vast volume of galactic space. Making brown dwarfs the big contender for
the missing mass of our universe. Bert
The universe is probably not old enough for white dwarfs to have
cooled that much.
Furthermore, since what we call brown dwarfs have temperature and
radiate, they are not candidates for "dark matter".
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
22 Oct 2005 03:57:01 PM |
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Hi Sam Seems we call them brown dwarfs but I found out from Zinni over
at my astronomy group they are red dwarfs. Now the Sun will become a
white dwarf but what kills some of my thinking is it will take tens of
billions of years for it to cool completely and become a black dwarf.
Once gravity has evolved it to this state its stellar corpse will be the
size of the Earth. No EM radiation. Before you jump on me Sam you will
find I'm sure most of this thinking in your Google bible. bert
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 05:11:23 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Well if I had to pick an object in the universe for the most dark
matter in the universe I would pick
"brown dwarfs"Reason is that they are bodies that are not massive enough
to become stars. Don't have enough of pressures and temperatures to
cause the nuclear actions that power the stars. Our Sun in another 6
billion years will become a "white dwarf" and I wonder when a white
dwarf uses up its residual heat it cools down to a brown dwarf?? That
makes two ways to form this object and that is the heart of my thinking
there are a lot of them out there. Best to realize they have to be
massive. Lots of space between the stars to house stuff that does
not radiate the EM force. In reality only Darla knows. Bert PS When I
say pressues and temperatures I feel I should just say pressure After
all its the pressure that creates the temperature
How about:
Photons have mass, and are visible to detectors due to the accompanying
energy (kinetic by way of tranverse and rotational momentum)
Various processes (interactions, gravity) slow them down, making them
undetectable.........add up all the "invisible" particles = dark matter
Then they can be reconstituted by being sucked into a high gravity
well, and reborn as protons/electrons.......and so on on on on on on
(infinite cycles/time)
Jim G
c'=c+v
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 04:23:46 PM |
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Jim G Photons are force particles and could very well have mass.
Neutrinos if found to have mass might out number photons Missing
gravity that we can't find in our universe might be a mutual gravity
force crossing all the trillions of universes out there. That is far out
thinking but we know nothing can block gravity,and our parrel universe
might be just a very thin membrane away. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
20 Oct 2005 04:12:05 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Well if I had to pick an object in the universe for the most dark
matter in the universe I would pick
"brown dwarfs"Reason is that they are bodies that are not massive enough
to become stars. Don't have enough of pressures and temperatures to
cause the nuclear actions that power the stars. Our Sun in another 6
billion years will become a "white dwarf" and I wonder when a white
dwarf uses up its residual heat it cools down to a brown dwarf?? That
makes two ways to form this object and that is the heart of my thinking
there are a lot of them out there. Best to realize they have to be
massive. Lots of space between the stars to house stuff that does
not radiate the EM force. In reality only Darla knows. Bert PS When I
say pressues and temperatures I feel I should just say pressure After
all its the pressure that creates the temperature
Brown Dwarfs, black body, radiation, Wien's Law... Can't be dark matter
because the aren't dark. Oh well....
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Brown Dwarfs ??? |
21 Oct 2005 05:24:14 AM |
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Brown Dwarfs, black body, radiation, Wien's Law... Can't be dark
matter
because the aren't dark. Oh well....
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Don't have to be dark. Can be faintly luminescent but faint enough to
be undetectable by our current technology.
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