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Bush accused of undermining the UN with aid coalition |
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world’s response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming
to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when
it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,”
she said.
“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM
programme.
“It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it
well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.”
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on
responding to international disasters.
She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone” and India had
its own problems to deal with.
“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid,
like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the
rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.
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In your dreams, UN. As if the United States is going to trust you with such
a task after the oil-for-food scandal and your refusal to investigate it.
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30 Dec 2004 05:50:05 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net...
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world's response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
"I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming
to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when
it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,"
she said.
"Only really the UN can do that job," she told BBC Radio Four's PM
programme.
"It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it
well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers."
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on
responding to international disasters.
She said the US was "very bad at coordinating with anyone" and India had
its own problems to deal with.
"I don't know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid,
like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the
rest of the world through the UN system," she added.
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In your dreams, UN. As if the United States is going to trust you with
such
a task after the oil-for-food scandal and your refusal to investigate it.
Yes, war-for-oil is much better than oil-for-food.
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30 Dec 2004 05:50:55 PM |
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"Joe" <mersenne@canada.com> wrote in news:33jid4F400kgvU1@individual.net:
"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net...
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world's response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
"I think this initiative from America to set up four countries
claiming to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine
the UN when it is the best system we have got and the one that needs
building up," she said.
"Only really the UN can do that job," she told BBC Radio Four's PM
programme.
"It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do
it well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers."
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on
responding to international disasters.
She said the US was "very bad at coordinating with anyone" and India
had its own problems to deal with.
"I don't know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid,
like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the
rest of the world through the UN system," she added.
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In your dreams, UN. As if the United States is going to trust you with
such
a task after the oil-for-food scandal and your refusal to investigate
it.
Yes, war-for-oil is much better than oil-for-food.
What war for oil?
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30 Dec 2004 06:05:00 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
nothing
how about not posting this crap to a physics forum..
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| User: "jacob navia" |
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30 Dec 2004 07:10:19 PM |
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Joe wrote:
Yes, war-for-oil is much better than oil-for-food.
Hey Joe!
That is a poem that reply!
Should be framed, replicated, put in every truly
american home.
The truth man!
The truth.
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31 Dec 2004 02:33:08 AM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
news:YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net...
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying
to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and
Australia
would coordinate the world's response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said
that
role should be left to the UN.
"I think this initiative from America to set up four countries
claiming
to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN
when
it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building
up,"
she said.
"Only really the UN can do that job," she told BBC Radio Four's PM
programme.
"It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only
do it
well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers."
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on
responding to international disasters.
She said the US was "very bad at coordinating with anyone" and
India had
its own problems to deal with.
"I don't know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am
afraid,
like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with
the
rest of the world through the UN system," she added.
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In your dreams, UN. As if the United States is going to trust you
with such
a task after the oil-for-food scandal and your refusal to
investigate it.
Of course not, if it turns out to be more profitable to run the racket
one self.
Franz
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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31 Dec 2004 07:25:25 PM |
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(Originally trolled to a broad selection of inappropriate ng's, trimmed
to sci.physics, the bastardized and debased ng I know).
Gactimus wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying
to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world's response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said
that
role should be left to the UN.
Even an advocate of the UN, as heard on the BBC, said that while they
were effective in the end they were rather slow, whilst it seems widely
agreed that to avert a secondary health disaster more destructive than
the first speed is of the essence.
I would agree with the assessment of Bush's action, except that, being
pro-Bush and pro-US, I would substitute my own tendentious word
"marginalize" for your tendentious "undermine". It means the same
thing, except that supporters will say an action marginalizes the
opposition, while the opposition will say said action undermines or
sabotages. Let's keep our tendentious language out in the open.
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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31 Dec 2004 06:29:21 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world’s response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
“I think this initiative from America to set up four countries claiming
to coordinate sounds like yet another attempt to undermine the UN when
it is the best system we have got and the one that needs building up,”
she said.
“Only really the UN can do that job,” she told BBC Radio Four’s PM
programme.
“It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it
well if it is backed up by the authority of the great powers.”
Ms Short said the coalition countries did not have good records on
responding to international disasters.
She said the US was “very bad at coordinating with anyone” and India had
its own problems to deal with.
“I don’t know what that is about but it sounds very much, I am afraid,
like the US trying to have a separate operation and not work with the
rest of the world through the UN system,” she added.
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In your dreams, UN. As if the United States is going to trust you with such
a task after the oil-for-food scandal and your refusal to investigate it.
The Oil for Food Program was overseen by the Security Council,
not the Secretary General. The offices of the SG alerted the
661 Committee to over 70 instances of contracts which they
thought might evidence kickbacks, the United States didn't stop
one contract because of that possibility.
What has happened with the $8 Billion or so that was in the
OfF coffers when they were turned over to the US and why didn't
the US allow auditors to monitor the expenditures? Probably
gone to Halliburton in no-bid contracts, that's why.
Why don't you learn all the facts about a "scandal" before you
go spouting off?
--Jeff
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It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman
In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
--Jose Narosky
The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false front for the urge to
rule.
--H.L. Mencken
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01 Jan 2005 07:55:43 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The president has announced that the US, Japan, India and Australia
would coordinate the world’s response.
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
Right. And this is what happens:
Experts Fear Wasteful Tsunami Efforts
Fri Dec 31, 9:40 AM Listen to Audio
By JEFF DONN, Associated Press Writer
- Some public health experts watching the aftermath of the tsunami
disaster fear the outpouring of emergency relief supplies and the rush
to head off outbreaks of disease will prove misguided or wasteful in
some respects.
Many useless donations of food and clothing may pile up, and public
health authorities may devote too much time right now to vaccination
drives, overestimate the danger of diseases like malaria, and
underestimate more desperate needs, such as counseling for those
suffering from mental anguish, they say.
"Not uncommonly, do-good countries will send in all kinds of supplies
that have no value, like tons and tons of clothing, food that people
can't eat because it's not their custom, even hospital-style equipment
that they can't possibly use," said Dr. Philip Brachman, at Emory
University, in Atlanta. He used to oversee mass disease fighting at the
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
In one of the worst natural disasters in history, last weekend's
earthquake and tsunami killed more than an estimated 110,000 people and
forced up to 5 million from their homes.
The disaster has also made conditions rife for outbreaks of disease.
Human sewage, rotting animals, trash and other contaminants washed into
drinking wells and reservoirs. Toilets and places to clean up were
ruined. Crops, cooking equipment and refrigeration were lost, making
safe food scarcer. Survivors are weakened by cuts and broken bones and
huddled together in shelters where germs can easily spread in the heat.
The World Health Organization had detected no sign of an outbreak of
disease so far, agency spokesman Oliver Rosenbauer said Thursday at the
U.N. agency's Geneva offices. But it may yet come within days, most
specialists agree, and WHO has asked for $40 million for initial relief.
The agency has predicted that deaths from disease could eventually reach
those caused by the quake and the floods themselves. Some American
health experts agree, but others are skeptical.
Deaths from disease have generally fallen short of that mark in past
tidal waves, floods and earthquakes, said Brachman at Emory University.
While acknowledging many deaths from disease are possible, some public
health experts said there are factors that could hold down the death toll:
_ Unlike hurricane flooding familiar to Americans, the tsunamis
generally washed over a thin band of coastline and retreated quickly.
_ Saltwater does not breed the nastiest disease-spreading mosquitoes,
such as the ones that carry malaria. Where clean water, food and shelter
can be supplied quickly, the dangers of disease will diminish, some
experts say.
_ Disease germs soon die in a human corpse, so bodies probably will not
spread much disease, especially away from water.
Many survivors in poor regions already have some immunity to diseases
likely to proliferate in a natural disaster, and some stricken areas
already vaccinate heavily. As a result, some experts say vaccination
drives this early could prove a waste of time and energy.
"You have to be very efficient. You have to think like a rifleman, not
somebody who comes in with a shotgun," says Dr. William Schaffner, the
head of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
in Nashville, Tenn.
The worst immediate threats probably stem from a range of diarrheal
diseases like cholera and dysentery, especially where pure water fails
to reach survivors quickly, the specialists say. Other big worries
include respiratory diseases, like measles and pneumonia, within about a
week of the disaster. In a month or so, outbreaks are likely from food-
or water-carried ailments, like salmonella and hepatitis.
The experts say clean water _ along with water-purifying tablets and
equipment _ are urgent priorities.
Several health specialists also appealed for more attention to mental
health counseling, which tends to be overlooked in undeveloped areas.
Though many survivors in such places have known misery, storms and
natural horrors before, this catastrophe struck with extraordinary
suddenness and intensity and took many children. Depression will
probably prevent some survivors from joining in the rebuilding, some
specialists say.
The overwhelming impulse to Do Good does not Do Well.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Dik T. Winter" |
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01 Jan 2005 08:08:16 PM |
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In article <33nof4F3vsl4bU1@individual.net> "robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> writes:
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Many useless donations of food and clothing may pile up, and public
health authorities may devote too much time right now to vaccination
drives, overestimate the danger of diseases like malaria, and
underestimate more desperate needs, such as counseling for those
suffering from mental anguish, they say.
The first is the reason you should in general collect money for relief and
not goods. As for the second part, cholera is now occurring in Sri Lanka,
as was expected, as it is normally the case with such disasters.
"Not uncommonly, do-good countries will send in all kinds of supplies
that have no value, like tons and tons of clothing, food that people
can't eat because it's not their custom, even hospital-style equipment
that they can't possibly use," said Dr. Philip Brachman, at Emory
University, in Atlanta. He used to oversee mass disease fighting at the
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Yup, the relief should be co-ordinated with local people.
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While acknowledging many deaths from disease are possible, some public
health experts said there are factors that could hold down the death toll:
_ Unlike hurricane flooding familiar to Americans, the tsunamis
generally washed over a thin band of coastline and retreated quickly.
_ Saltwater does not breed the nastiest disease-spreading mosquitoes,
such as the ones that carry malaria. Where clean water, food and shelter
can be supplied quickly, the dangers of disease will diminish, some
experts say.
_ Disease germs soon die in a human corpse, so bodies probably will not
spread much disease, especially away from water.
Cholera is quite a bit different. If there is no clean water available,
the people will drink anything that *is* available, and that makes the
likelyhood of cholera very strong. In this case there are large areas
where there is nearly no clean water supply at all. It is easier to
get vaccines to those places than enough clean water (and, yes, there
are vaccines for cholera).
Many survivors in poor regions already have some immunity to diseases
likely to proliferate in a natural disaster, and some stricken areas
already vaccinate heavily. As a result, some experts say vaccination
drives this early could prove a waste of time and energy.
Vaccination against cholera is not common, and immunity against cholera
is not wide-spread. It is the inability to get clean water to many
places that makes vaccination in this case important.
The worst immediate threats probably stem from a range of diarrheal
diseases like cholera and dysentery, especially where pure water fails
to reach survivors quickly, the specialists say.
Indeed.
The experts say clean water _ along with water-purifying tablets and
equipment _ are urgent priorities.
Indeed.
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dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/
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01 Jan 2005 09:03:18 PM |
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In article <I9o39s.26o@cwi.nl>, Dik T. Winter <Dik.Winter@cwi.nl> wrote:
In article <33nof4F3vsl4bU1@individual.net> "robert j. kolker"
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Cholera is quite a bit different. If there is no clean water available,
the people will drink anything that *is* available, and that makes the
likelyhood of cholera very strong.
There is an added dimension to the Cholera problem. You can selectively
breed Cholera to make a disease that is fairly mild and rarely kills or
you can select for one that is very agressive.
If the water supply is clean, the only way Cholera can get spread is by
having people who have it move about and mix with the population. This
selects for the mild form. When the water supply is not clean, the
selection force works towards the very bad version. This means that there
can be a pool of Cholera in the population just waiting for the selection
process to reverse. Without an external source, the nasty form of Cholera
can suddenly appear and it is likely to do so in many places.
We should not expect Cholera to start and spread like an external
introduction would. It is more likely to pop up all over the place. This
argues for added effort to get the vaccines distributed before the
outbreaks start.
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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30 Dec 2004 07:50:57 PM |
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Gactimus wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
Damned if we do and damned if we don't. If the U.S. government did not
make money available it is "stingy". If it does, then it is undermining
the U.N.. We can't win for losing.
Bob Kolker
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31 Dec 2004 12:46:37 AM |
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote
(in <YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net>) about 'Bush accused of undermining
the UN with aid coalition', on Thu, 30 Dec 2004:
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
The lady is a member of the UK Loony Left. Take no notice.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "Gactimus" |
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31 Dec 2004 06:53:15 AM |
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John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in
news:ENzEFXBNXP1BFwHV@jmwa.demon.co.uk:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote
(in <YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net>) about 'Bush accused of undermining
the UN with aid coalition', on Thu, 30 Dec 2004:
But former International Development Secretary Clare Short said that
role should be left to the UN.
The lady is a member of the UK Loony Left. Take no notice.
So is the entire UN organization.
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30 Dec 2004 07:59:37 PM |
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In article <YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The 'leadership' from the UN has been quite lacking wrt the disaster.
Kofi was happily ski-ing... At least, GWB had been proactively
handling the relief effort.
Additionally, it wouldn't be surprising that most of the American
aid isn't through the government anyway. On the other hand, early
in the process, the <$200K (yes less than 200 thousand dollars) from
France was ludicrous (but as expected.)
John
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| User: "James Beck" |
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31 Dec 2004 09:53:29 AM |
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In article <cr2bq9$1npr$1@news.iquest.net>, says...
In article <YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The 'leadership' from the UN has been quite lacking wrt the disaster.
Kofi was happily ski-ing... At least, GWB had been proactively
handling the relief effort.
Additionally, it wouldn't be surprising that most of the American
aid isn't through the government anyway. On the other hand, early
in the process, the <$200K (yes less than 200 thousand dollars) from
France was ludicrous (but as expected.)
John
I'm not really in the mood to jump into this debate, but my wife and I
made sure to make a donation to the Red Cross today. At least that way
we have a fairly good chance of it doing some good to the victims and
not just padding the pockets of some UN member or their family.
Food for oil, what a joke. More like food for grease, like who's palm
got greased.
Jim
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31 Dec 2004 10:06:43 AM |
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"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1c3f3fba5cb9ab56989a80@news.west.earthlink.net...
In article <cr2bq9$1npr$1@news.iquest.net>, says...
In article <YuSdna4Ut__vFkncRVn-pw@rcn.net>,
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> writes:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
United States President George Bush was tonight accused of trying to
undermine the United Nations by setting up a rival coalition to
coordinate relief following the Asian tsunami disaster.
The 'leadership' from the UN has been quite lacking wrt the disaster.
Kofi was happily ski-ing... At least, GWB had been proactively
handling the relief effort.
Additionally, it wouldn't be surprising that most of the American
aid isn't through the government anyway. On the other hand, early
in the process, the <$200K (yes less than 200 thousand dollars) from
France was ludicrous (but as expected.)
John
I'm not really in the mood to jump into this debate, but my wife and I
made sure to make a donation to the Red Cross today. At least that way
we have a fairly good chance of it doing some good to the victims and
not just padding the pockets of some UN member or their family.
Food for oil, what a joke. More like food for grease, like who's palm
got greased.
You call it a joke, what about this:
http://www.counterpunch.com/wanniski12112004.html
But you did a good thing to donate to the red cross.
--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and 'invalid' when replying by email)
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31 Dec 2004 03:45:58 PM |
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"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote in message
news:41d578c0$0$6210$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
"James Beck" <jim@reallykillersystems.com> schreef in bericht
news:MPG.1c3f3fba5cb9ab56989a80@news.west.earthlink.net...
[snip]
I'm not really in the mood to jump into this debate, but my wife
and I
made sure to make a donation to the Red Cross today.
What an admirable thing to do. Thank you.
[snip]
Franz
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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31 Dec 2004 04:00:39 PM |
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Franz Heymann wrote:
What an admirable thing to do. Thank you.
I give seven time a years. Do you know why? I might need transfusion
myself. It is an insurance policy. Someday I might end up getting my own
blood. I consider donated blood like money in the bank.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Jim Thompson" |
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31 Dec 2004 10:52:10 AM |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:53:29 GMT, James Beck
<jim@reallykillersystems.com> wrote:
[snip]
I'm not really in the mood to jump into this debate, but my wife and I
made sure to make a donation to the Red Cross today. At least that way
we have a fairly good chance of it doing some good to the victims and
not just padding the pockets of some UN member or their family.
Food for oil, what a joke. More like food for grease, like who's palm
got greased.
Jim
Hear! Hear!
...Jim Thompson
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30 Dec 2004 08:31:07 PM |
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In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
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?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let the UN handle
it.
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Jim Pennino
Remove -spam-sux to reply.
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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31 Dec 2004 02:33:12 AM |
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<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
news:cr2dlb$nis$1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
<snip>
?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can
only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let the UN
handle
it.
What? Befoer paying up your outstanding subscriptions to the UN?
Typical
Franz
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| User: "Clarence_A" |
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31 Dec 2004 03:39:57 PM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote
<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
<snip>
?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it
can
only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let the
UN
handle
it.
What? Befoer paying up your outstanding subscriptions to the UN?
Typical > Franz
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
UN has no morals!
America owes the UN nothing!
The UN owes the world the heads of those who participated in the
OIL for Food embezzlement!
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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01 Jan 2005 01:18:33 AM |
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"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
news:NGjBd.4315$wZ2.1924@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote
<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
<snip>
?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it
can
only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let the
UN
handle
it.
What? Befoer paying up your outstanding subscriptions to the UN?
Typical > Franz
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
UN has no morals!
America owes the UN nothing!
The UN owes the world the heads of those who participated in the
OIL for Food embezzlement!
If there is evidence which will stand up in court, why is this not
brought to court?
There is only circumstantial evidence for the belief in this hoo-ha is
because the UN in general, and Kofi Annan in particular, had the
courage to criticise the skulduggery of the US and the UK before and
during invasion of Iraq, but it is nevertheless a very widely held
belief.
Franz
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01 Jan 2005 03:13:56 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote
"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote
<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
<snip>
?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But
it
can only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let
the
UN handle it.
What? Befoer paying up your outstanding subscriptions to the
UN?
Typical > Franz
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
UN has no morals!
America owes the UN nothing!
The UN owes the world the heads of those who participated in
the
OIL for Food embezzlement!
If there is evidence which will stand up in court, why is this
not
brought to court?
There is only circumstantial evidence for the belief in this
hoo-ha is
because the UN in general, and Kofi Annan in particular, had the
courage to criticise the skulduggery of the US and the UK before
and
during invasion of Iraq, but it is nevertheless a very widely
held
belief.
Franz
They have refused to allow an independent investigation, and
refuse to provide access for a separate investigation or audit.
These are admissions of GUILT.
I agree, they must be tried and locked up for their crimes. The
MONEY is missing, that is KNOWN! Kofi Annan is protecting his
son, and can not be permitted to stand in the way of justice!
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01 Jan 2005 05:49:27 AM |
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Clarence_A wrote:
I agree, they must be tried and locked up for their crimes. The
MONEY is missing, that is KNOWN! Kofi Annan is protecting his
son, and can not be permitted to stand in the way of justice!
The just punishment is making the bastards pay their parking fines.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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31 Dec 2004 03:43:09 PM |
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Clarence_A wrote:
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
Better to get them to pay the NYC parking fines.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Clarence_A" |
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01 Jan 2005 03:08:55 AM |
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"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Clarence_A wrote:
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
Better to get them to pay the NYC parking fines.
Bob Kolker
Did I fail to mention they were an organization of scofflaws?
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| User: "John Woodgate" |
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01 Jan 2005 10:34:13 AM |
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Clarence_A <no@No.com> wrote (in
<HMtBd.4490$wZ2.2043@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>) about 'Bush accused of
undermining the UN with aid coalition', on Sat, 1 Jan 2005:
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:33lvfiF41m22lU3@individual.net...
Clarence_A wrote:
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
Better to get them to pay the NYC parking fines.
Bob Kolker
Did I fail to mention they were an organization of scofflaws?
The US embassy staff in London who have immunity also don't pay parking
fines. In fact, cars with diplomatic registration plates may not even be
ticketed. This is effectively an agreement between diplomats world-wide
in order to prevent 'diplomatic privilege' being eroded: something
totalitarian regimes would love to do.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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| User: "Clarence_A" |
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01 Jan 2005 06:24:08 PM |
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"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
Clarence_A <no@No.com> wrote
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
Clarence_A wrote:
A reasonable alternative is to shut down the UN so they
can't
siphon off the funds needed to help in the afflicted areas!
Better to get them to pay the NYC parking fines.
Bob Kolker
Did I fail to mention they were an organization of scofflaws?
The US embassy staff in London who have immunity also don't pay
parking
fines. In fact, cars with diplomatic registration plates may not
even be
ticketed. This is effectively an agreement between diplomats
world-wide
in order to prevent 'diplomatic privilege' being eroded:
something
totalitarian regimes would love to do.
There is corruption in the diplomatic ranks, I agree!
However UN workers are not Diplomats! Also, without the consent
of the People, there can be no immunity from prosecution for
committing a crime! In the case of the UN, that alone should shut
it down!
The UN can not have a reciprocal agreement, since it is not a
government and has no territory or constituency. New York began
towing any UN vehicle which violates the regulations quite some
time ago. However there are more serious violations which have
not been resolved. Like dealing drugs, murder, assault, and
thugery! The case files relating to the UN staff fill an entire
room at the NY police headquarters. So far all they can do is
pull their visa and deport them.
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| User: "Jim Thompson" |
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31 Dec 2004 10:53:18 AM |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:33:12 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
<notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote:
<jimp@specsol-spam-sux.com> wrote in message
news:cr2dlb$nis$1@mail.specsol.com...
In sci.physics Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3944374
<snip>
?It is the only body that has the moral authority. But it can
only do it
Well I guess we should all put away our checkbooks and let the UN
handle
it.
What? Befoer paying up your outstanding subscriptions to the UN?
Typical
Franz
What? So the scummies can squander it?
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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