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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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16 Aug 2005 08:53:06 AM |
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Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
We think of the ultimate gravity force residing in a black hole. A black
hole is theorized being a round mass that comes in many sizes. Than we
have an infinitely long gravity string.that is millions of light years
long,and this is shown to astronomers looking into deep space and
finding a long vast void.(no light in this area) Can gravity be
said to create dark matter in these long string like areas? Can this
gravitational contraction be used for the Eagle Nebular,for it has a
very long structure,and its hydrogen is being fused into helium as I
type. A big long gas structure of this nebular is in reality
doing the same as the core of a star,or this thought accurse to me. "The
same as our making a thermonuclear bomb." Gravity balls Gravity strings
both are reality. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
16 Aug 2005 09:19:17 AM |
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Herb--There is no length scale that sets a range for gravitational
interactions as there is for the strong and weak interactions.
Ref: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Gravity.html
Ref: Hartle, "Gravity: An Introduction to Einstein's General Relativity", Addison
Wesley (2003)
"A few properties of the gravitational interaction that help explain when
gravity is important can already be seen from the gravitational force law
F_grav = G m_1 m_2 / r_12^2
o Gravity is a universal interaction in Newtonian theory between all mass, and,
since E = mc^2, in relativistic gravity between all forms of energy.
o Gravity is unscreened. There are no negative gravitational charges to cancel
positive ones, and therefore it is not possible to shield (screen) the gravitational
interaction. Gravity is always attractive.
o Gravity is a long-range interaction. The Newtonian force law ia a 1/r^2
interaction. There is no length scale that sets a range for gravitational
interactions as there is for the strong and weak interactions.
o Gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental interactions acting between
individual elementary particles at accessible energy scales. The ratio of
the gravitational attraction to the electromagnetic repulsion between two
protons separated by a distance r is
F_grav G m_p^2 / r^2 G m_p^2
-------- = -------------------- = ------------- ~ 10^-36
F_elec e^2 / (4 pi e_0 r^2) (e^2/4pi e_0)
where m_p is the mass of the proton and e is its charge.
These four facts explain a great deal about the role gravity plays in physical
phenomena. They explain, for example, why, although it is the weakest force,
gravity governs the organization of the universe on the largest distance
scales of astrophysics and cosmology. These distance scales are far beyond
the subatomic ranges of the strong and the weak interactions. Electromagnetic
interactions COULD be long range were there any large-scale objects with net
electric charge. But the universe is electrically neutral, and electromagnetic
forces are so much stronger than gravitational forces that any large-scale net
charge is quickly neutralized. Gravity is left to govern the structure of the
universe on the largest scales.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
16 Aug 2005 06:14:03 PM |
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Hi Sam Like static electricity can be a long streak,or a lightning ball
I was trying to tie gravity structure into round or long gravitational
line forces. Tricky stuff. However does not string theory have shapes
of strings with lines and other vibrations in the shape of loops?
Beert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
16 Aug 2005 06:32:36 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam Like static electricity can be a long streak,or a lightning ball
I was trying to tie gravity structure into round or long gravitational
line forces. Tricky stuff. However does not string theory have shapes
of strings with lines and other vibrations in the shape of loops?
Beert
Herb--three unrelated ideas in your posting
o electric discharge
o gravitational field
o hypothetical entities orders of magnitude smaller that
subatomic particles--permanently safe from testing at those
scales. That's not a theory, as it's not testable!
Different subject--You have indicated in other posts that
you had made contributions worthy of a Nobel--in what area
of physics? Thanks.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
18 Aug 2005 07:08:19 AM |
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hi Sam My original thoughts cover all areas of science. I am a
theoretical thinker. I also think a lot. More ideas the better. Better
ideas take longer thoughts. Its all relative to one's thinking
Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
18 Aug 2005 09:37:16 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
hi Sam My original thoughts cover all areas of science. I am a
theoretical thinker. I also think a lot. More ideas the better. Better
ideas take longer thoughts. Its all relative to one's thinking
Bert
Let me rephrase, Herb--Did you ever have an original thought
that contributed to our understanding of science that warrents
a Nobel--in your opinion?
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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18 Aug 2005 01:28:05 PM |
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Hi Sam The answer is yes. I've been told I deserve 3 Nobels for my
original thoughts over the last 60 years. Beert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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18 Aug 2005 02:16:20 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam The answer is yes. I've been told I deserve 3 Nobels for my
original thoughts over the last 60 years. Beert
For what thoughts? Specifically? Told by whom?
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
18 Aug 2005 09:13:11 PM |
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Hi Sam I( used the speed of light to show that inertia has a time lapse.
I( stopped the speed of light an inch and a half; from its source. These
are proven. I have a 7 more theories but they have to be proven by
experiment,and observation. One you might like is photons don't bounce.
Another is gravitons create no waves. That black holes have a critical
mass That multi-universes share their gravitational force. That
an electron can never reach the speed of light but its charge can. Then
I have my spin is in theory to show how attraction works over distance.
I could go on and on,but I put these in my "What if posts" and turned
that post out by the thousands over the past years. No two post are
alike. A lot of original thinking went into them. Fact is Sam my "WHat
if" posts have been appreciated by universities all over the world,and
so have my fast pictures that are over a million times faster than a
strobe light can do. Reality is I'm not bragging. However my ego might
be showing. Sam I enjoy theoretical thinking,and been told I excelled
in original thinking(Ideas) Sad to say I have no formal education. Have
a better than average IQ,and like to know how all things work. Let it be
atoms the earth's dynamo all type of engines Fusion by stars fusion
by tokamak My own pulse fusion system(had to throw that in) Still
knowing so much only makes more and more questions come to mind. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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18 Aug 2005 11:11:32 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam I( used the speed of light to show that inertia has a time lapse.
I( stopped the speed of light an inch and a half; from its source. These
are proven. I have a 7 more theories but they have to be proven by
experiment,and observation. One you might like is photons don't bounce.
Another is gravitons create no waves. That black holes have a critical
mass That multi-universes share their gravitational force. That
an electron can never reach the speed of light but its charge can. Then
I have my spin is in theory to show how attraction works over distance.
I could go on and on,but I put these in my "What if posts" and turned
that post out by the thousands over the past years. No two post are
alike. A lot of original thinking went into them. Fact is Sam my "WHat
if" posts have been appreciated by universities all over the world,and
so have my fast pictures that are over a million times faster than a
strobe light can do. Reality is I'm not bragging. However my ego might
be showing. Sam I enjoy theoretical thinking,and been told I excelled
in original thinking(Ideas) Sad to say I have no formal education. Have
a better than average IQ,and like to know how all things work. Let it be
atoms the earth's dynamo all type of engines Fusion by stars fusion
by tokamak My own pulse fusion system(had to throw that in) Still
knowing so much only makes more and more questions come to mind. Bert
Everything and nothing.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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19 Aug 2005 08:29:30 AM |
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Hi Sam You posted "everything and nothing" That gives me a
thought to theorize. It goes like this. There is no such thing as
nothing for its everything all the way down. I feel bad that you can't
"think" Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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19 Aug 2005 09:07:56 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam You posted "everything and nothing" That gives me a
thought to theorize. It goes like this. There is no such thing as
nothing for its everything all the way down. I feel bad that you can't
"think" Bert
It's OK for you to feel bad Herb... I'm to be pitied!
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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20 Aug 2005 08:25:46 AM |
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Ow Sam you are not to be pitied. You have to start thinking on your own
very early in your life. At 8 years old I got a gyro(birthday
present),and it still holds mysteries for me to think about. Sam buy a
gyro. Try to remember Google's stuff is not carved in stone. Try to keep
an open mind when reading ideas of others that you can't find in your
Google bible. You are not alone Sam Most of humankind is brain
washed. They fit well with your kind of thinking,and can only like a
"parrot" repeat the words of others,and by others I mean people that
write the Google . Life would be very boring for me if I could not add
in my original thoughts on astronomy and physics. Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
20 Aug 2005 09:27:35 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Ow Sam you are not to be pitied. You have to start thinking on your own
very early in your life. At 8 years old I got a gyro(birthday
present),and it still holds mysteries for me to think about. Sam buy a
gyro. Try to remember Google's stuff is not carved in stone. Try to keep
an open mind when reading ideas of others that you can't find in your
Google bible. You are not alone Sam Most of humankind is brain
washed. They fit well with your kind of thinking,and can only like a
"parrot" repeat the words of others,and by others I mean people that
write the Google . Life would be very boring for me if I could not add
in my original thoughts on astronomy and physics. Bert
Herb--how do you feel about the publications of working physicists?
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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20 Aug 2005 05:00:31 PM |
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Hi Sam might surprise you to know I've not just read but studied their
books. best to keep in mind when I was the poorest kid in Boston in the
winter I hid in the back corner of the Boston Library next to a warm
radiator. All the books in that area were on science. Hour after hour
day after day year after year. Hiding and reading,and making sure I
could understand all that was on a page before turning to the next page.
A book could take me 3 months to read even if it only had 175 pages,and
then I would read it over and over again. Wheeler and Einstien I knew
were big guns. Feynman was my ideal in the end of my library spacetime.
Today it is Witten.and Greene. Hawking its mitzy mitzy I like Penrose
better than hawking Astronomy its Carl Sagan and Hubble. Sam I like
them all,and to save time I left out 100s. Reality is I like my own
theories that I have on everything. I don't copy right my theories,but
people that check me out in Google tell me I'm well represented there.
Sam in 1946 I wrote G=EMC^2 on a brown paper bag . I told some of my
friends about it,and they just laughed and called me "Herby the crazy
professor who thinks he is smarter than Einstien" Well Sam they still
could be right about me. Maybe in that warm corner of the library there
should have been some books on English grammar,spelling and sentence
construction. Beert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
20 Aug 2005 06:04:21 PM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam might surprise you to know I've not just read but studied their
books. best to keep in mind when I was the poorest kid in Boston in the
winter I hid in the back corner of the Boston Library next to a warm
radiator. All the books in that area were on science. Hour after hour
day after day year after year. Hiding and reading,and making sure I
could understand all that was on a page before turning to the next page.
A book could take me 3 months to read even if it only had 175 pages,and
then I would read it over and over again. Wheeler and Einstien I knew
were big guns. Feynman was my ideal in the end of my library spacetime.
Today it is Witten.and Greene. Hawking its mitzy mitzy I like Penrose
better than hawking Astronomy its Carl Sagan and Hubble. Sam I like
them all,and to save time I left out 100s. Reality is I like my own
theories that I have on everything. I don't copy right my theories,but
people that check me out in Google tell me I'm well represented there.
17 hits... mostly geneology, althought one had "Mars Rover that pissed?"
Sam in 1946 I wrote G=EMC^2 on a brown paper bag .
It's got dimensionality problems.
I told some of my
friends about it,and they just laughed and called me "Herby the crazy
professor who thinks he is smarter than Einstien" Well Sam they still
could be right about me. Maybe in that warm corner of the library there
should have been some books on English grammar,spelling and sentence
construction. Beert
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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21 Aug 2005 12:23:44 PM |
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Hi Sam The Mars rover that was made to *****. I remember doing that
post. Yes I always had a cute dry sense of humor. Reality is I made that
post kind of funny,but when we have a new NASA and man walks on Mars
having the first ***** on Mars is relative with Armstrongs first step on
the Moon. Pissing is a mammals way to claim territory Beert
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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18 Aug 2005 10:35:00 AM |
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nebula, occurs, warrants
Why don't those cosmic strings collapse into a ball? Ah, they must be
spinning fast to overcome gravity.
Anyway, it is wrong to group the weak interaction with the others. It
is an /impure/ force consisting of electrocolor interactions. With the
strong force, they have massive quanta and limited ranges because they
are impure forces. By the way, in my earlier message I classed gravity
as a longer-range force than electricity because of the scale that the
universe still takes on past the lightspeed horizon.
-Aut
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Can Gravity take Different Shapes? |
20 Aug 2005 11:41:23 AM |
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The center of mass is a point .
Your place of view can move around a mass wrt distance and so the
gravity has a shape as you change to another center point.
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But evry mass has a center of mass and a center of gravity.
An eliptical orbit will move the center of gravity from the point where
the center of mass is.
The center of mass of the moon is not the center of the moons gravity.
2 atoms near each other move their center of gravity from thier
center of mass .
F is the distance from the center of mass to the center of gravity.
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