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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Steve B."
Date: 05 Oct 2004 07:40:02 PM
Object: Can someone show me how to answer this problem...
I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?
THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?
If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve
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User: "Philip Holman"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 05 Oct 2004 10:29:09 PM
"Steve B." <dazedniteman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cfd9fb63.0410051640.43fe1d8d@posting.google.com...

I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve

Initial vertical velocity Vy = 44 sin30 = 22 m/s
Horizontal velocity Vx = 44 cos30 = 38.105 m/s
Acceleration a = -9.81
Vy = -9.81t + 22
Vertical height y = -4.905t^2 + 22t + 1
Time t = 132/38.105 = 3.4641 sec
y = -4.905(3.4641)^2 + 22(3.4641) + 1
y = 18.35 m
So the ball clears the fence by 18.35 - 5 = 13.35 m
PH
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User: "John Popelish"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 05 Oct 2004 08:05:00 PM
"Steve B." wrote:


I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve

I would neglect air resistance.
I would use the horizontal component of initial velocity
to calculate how long till the ball reached the fence.
I would use the acceleration of gravity, the initial height
and the initial vertical component of ball velocity
to calculate how high the ball would be at that time.
Then I would subtract the fence height from that ball height.
--
John Popelish
.

User: "Paul Draper"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 06 Oct 2004 08:24:25 AM
(Steve B.) wrote in message news:<cfd9fb63.0410051640.43fe1d8d@posting.google.com>...

I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve

The most common student error is to say "The range formula! I need the
range formula." No. Computing the range is asking, "What is the value
of x of the ball, when y=0?" What you want is something different. You
want the answer to "What is the value of y of the ball, when x=132m?"
Hope this helps.
PD
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User: "Dave Baker"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 06 Oct 2004 05:11:32 AM

Subject: Can someone show me how to answer this problem...
From:

(Steve B.)
Date: 06/10/04 01:40 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: <cfd9fb63.0410051640.43fe1d8d@posting.google.com>

I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve

Firstly always state your assumptions to the examiner. We'll ignore wind
resistance and treat g as being 9.81 m/s^2. It may be that you are told to use
a different value for g such as 10m/s^2. Make sure you don't miss any such
requirements, especially if they are printed at the start of the question
paper. For extra marks you might want to note to him that in a civilized
country this would be a question about a cricket ball and bat not baseball ones
:)
Then split the ball's speed into its horizontal and vertical components.
Vh = 44 cos 30 = 38.1051m/s
Vv = 44 sin 30 = 22 m/s
Flight time to the fence is therefore 132/38.1051 = 3.4641 seconds
Now we need to look at the vertical motion of the ball during this time.
We can go a couple of ways here, the short way or the long one. We'll do both
as a double check on each other and to show how the various Newtonian equations
can be used.
The ball starts upwards at 22m/s. How high does it travel and how long does
that take?
Using the equation v = u + at
0 = 22 - 9.81t
t = 2.2426 seconds. The ball rises for 2.2426 seconds.
Using the equation s = ut + 1/2 at^2
It rises for 1/2 x 9.81 x 2.2426^2 metres = 24.6685m. Add the 1m it started
above the ground and it reaches apogee at 25.6685m
It now starts to fall again for 3.4641 - 2.2426 = 1.2215 seconds
In this time it falls
1/2 x 9.81 x 1.2215^2 = 7.3186m
It's final height as it reaches the fence is therefore 25.6685 - 7.3186 =
18.35m. It clears the fence by 13.35m
However, the equation s = ut + 1/2 at^2 can be used to describe the entire
trajectory of the ball, not just its upwards or downwards motion separately.
But we need to get the signs of the speed and acceleration correct.
s = (22 x 3.4641) - (1/2 x 9.81 x 3.4641^2)
s = 76.2102 - 58.8599 = 17.35m
Add the 1m it started above the ground = 18.35m. It clears the fence by 13.35m
Both methods agree. Phew. You're on your way to university :)
--
Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
.
User: "Steve"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 06 Oct 2004 09:37:18 PM
Thank you all for your help. From the answer given here I guessed correctly.
This should have been a really easy problem but the thing was that I missed
4 days of notes and lectures because I was out of town touring a college in
Georgia. So not being at school hurt me but I remembered a lot from last
year. I found the verticle and horizontal components of the velocity and the
time to the fence and even how far the ball was going to travel overall.
Trying to remember what I did I believe I messed up when trying to find the
maximum height reached. From what I can remember I had a number in the
200's. I might have just missed a decimal point somewhere.
One quick question: You used the equation: s = ut + 1/2 at^2... we have
something similar to this in our book but with something different than S
and U. Can you tell me what they stand for.
Thanks again, Steve
oh yeah, how hard is physics in college compared to this kind of stuff you
learn in high school? What kind of careers can you get into with a physics
degree without teaching or just researching stuff?
"Dave Baker" <pumaracing@aol.comNoEmails> wrote in message
news:20041006061132.23043.00001712@mb-m12.aol.com...

Subject: Can someone show me how to answer this problem...
From:

(Steve B.)
Date: 06/10/04 01:40 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: <cfd9fb63.0410051640.43fe1d8d@posting.google.com>

I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve


Firstly always state your assumptions to the examiner. We'll ignore wind
resistance and treat g as being 9.81 m/s^2. It may be that you are told to

use

a different value for g such as 10m/s^2. Make sure you don't miss any such
requirements, especially if they are printed at the start of the question
paper. For extra marks you might want to note to him that in a civilized
country this would be a question about a cricket ball and bat not baseball

ones

:)

Then split the ball's speed into its horizontal and vertical components.
Vh = 44 cos 30 = 38.1051m/s
Vv = 44 sin 30 = 22 m/s

Flight time to the fence is therefore 132/38.1051 = 3.4641 seconds

Now we need to look at the vertical motion of the ball during this time.

We can go a couple of ways here, the short way or the long one. We'll do

both

as a double check on each other and to show how the various Newtonian

equations

can be used.

The ball starts upwards at 22m/s. How high does it travel and how long

does

that take?

Using the equation v = u + at
0 = 22 - 9.81t
t = 2.2426 seconds. The ball rises for 2.2426 seconds.

Using the equation s = ut + 1/2 at^2
It rises for 1/2 x 9.81 x 2.2426^2 metres = 24.6685m. Add the 1m it

started

above the ground and it reaches apogee at 25.6685m

It now starts to fall again for 3.4641 - 2.2426 = 1.2215 seconds
In this time it falls
1/2 x 9.81 x 1.2215^2 = 7.3186m

It's final height as it reaches the fence is therefore 25.6685 - 7.3186 =
18.35m. It clears the fence by 13.35m

However, the equation s = ut + 1/2 at^2 can be used to describe the entire
trajectory of the ball, not just its upwards or downwards motion

separately.

But we need to get the signs of the speed and acceleration correct.

s = (22 x 3.4641) - (1/2 x 9.81 x 3.4641^2)
s = 76.2102 - 58.8599 = 17.35m
Add the 1m it started above the ground = 18.35m. It clears the fence by

13.35m


Both methods agree. Phew. You're on your way to university :)
--
Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)

.
User: "Dave Baker"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 06 Oct 2004 10:17:22 PM

Subject: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem...
From: "Steve"


Date: 07/10/04 03:37 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: <10m9atb65gjd75b@corp.supernews.com>

Thank you all for your help. From the answer given here I guessed correctly.
This should have been a really easy problem but the thing was that I missed
4 days of notes and lectures because I was out of town touring a college in
Georgia. So not being at school hurt me but I remembered a lot from last
year. I found the verticle and horizontal components of the velocity and the
time to the fence and even how far the ball was going to travel overall.
Trying to remember what I did I believe I messed up when trying to find the
maximum height reached. From what I can remember I had a number in the
200's. I might have just missed a decimal point somewhere.
One quick question: You used the equation: s = ut + 1/2 at^2... we have
something similar to this in our book but with something different than S
and U. Can you tell me what they stand for.

s = distance. u = initial velocity. v = final velocity


Thanks again, Steve
oh yeah, how hard is physics in college compared to this kind of stuff you
learn in high school? What kind of careers can you get into with a physics
degree without teaching or just researching stuff?

Can't help you there as I didn't go to university.
--
Dave Baker - Puma Race Engines (www.pumaracing.co.uk)
.



User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Can someone show me how to answer this problem... 05 Oct 2004 07:56:41 PM
Steve B. wrote:

I'm a senior in high school and the following question was on our test
today for AP Physics 2. I don't know what I was missing but I spent
over 40 minutes on it and still didn't come up with an answer. Can
somehow tell me what the answer is and how to get there?

THE PROBLEM:
A baseball leaves a bat with a speed of 44 m/s and at an angle of 30
degrees above the horizontal. A 5m high fence is located at a
horizontal distance of 132m from the point where the ball is struck.
Assuming the ball leaves the bat 1m above ground level, by how much
does the ball clear the fence?

If someone can help me I'd appreciate it!!
Thank you,
Steve

Should be a piece of cake for an AP physics guy.
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Trajectory.html
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Projectile.html
Draw good diagrams
.


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