Science > Physics > Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap)
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13 Feb 2006 09:44:41 PM |
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Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
So I have heard that the semiconductor industry moves the manufacturing
of chips, for example, from 90 nm-based technology to 70 nm technology.
(The numbers means the smallest possible width of the conductive path
on a chip; the narrower the path the more transistors can be put an a
chip.) The size of a smallest element is limited by the wavelength of
source of light used in the photolithography, so movement to a smaller
wavelength (or even to electron beam) constitues a major difficulty in
the work of the fab.
The question is: who develops those newer compex technologies ? This
probably requires a lot of skill, experience, intellectual capability,
and this job would be paid well and the practitioners will be sought
after. Would not it be a lucrative career for a scientist or engineer
in today's world of uncertain S&E careers ?
I have always thought that the CEOs seek out the talented scientists,
charge them with the responsibility to develop the new technology, give
them several tens of millions dollars of budget, and off they go. Is
not it exciting ? I have always wanted to become such a scientist, have
a large budget, lots of staff, and decide on how to develop better
technology.
Well, after working for private companies and natl laboratories, I came
to change my opinion. It occurs to me that there are no scientists who
are charged with the responsibility to develop the new semiconductor
fabrication technology. Rather, the structure of the development entity
is as follows. There is a CEO, a financial-enterpreneurial type of guy.
He is the person who is charged with responsibility. He hires lots of
scientists and engineers each of which get a samll piece of problem
dole out by clueless project managers. 90% of scientists and engineers
are guided to work on stuff which does not have relation to the new
technology. They work on some small improvements of something, but the
results of their work does not go anywhere. The work of only 10% of
staff (they are usually trusted "core" employees) goes into the new
technological process.
Knowing the modern capitalist industrial world better, I would say that
these are the small start-up private companies which develop the new
products and new technologies. Then they get bought up by the large
corporations (like Intel), and the corporations enhance, adapt and
implement the results of work of these bought companies. I do not think
that this scheme is working in here because the development of new
manufacturing technology requires several tens (if not hundreds) of
dollars which the smnall private start-up companies do not have.
So, my dream of becoming a high value-adding high-paid development
specialist has been shattered. What will the learned contributors say ?
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14 Feb 2006 04:00:17 AM |
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"drocillo" <droci11o@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So, my dream of becoming a high value-adding high-paid development
specialist has been shattered. What will the learned contributors say ?
The problem is that developing a new semiconductor process needs a wider
range of skills than one person can hold in their head. One person can't be
sufficiently expert on physics, chemistry, optics, mechanics, electronics,
quality assurance, etc etc
My advice would be not to specialise too early. Go for a degree that's
applicable to a wider range of industries.
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| User: "drocillo" |
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14 Feb 2006 04:14:31 AM |
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CWatters wrote:
The problem is that developing a new semiconductor process needs a wider
range of skills than one person can hold in their head. One person can't be
sufficiently expert on physics, chemistry, optics, mechanics, electronics,
quality assurance, etc etc
My advice would be not to specialise too early. Go for a degree that's
applicable to a wider range of industries.
Thanks for reply. Reading your reply, I recalled that the fab job ads
required the person to have education in semiconductor/device physics
and corresponding experience, have a sound experience in optics and
fine mechanics, on top of that being able to develop and program a
microcontroller and have a minute-detail experience in the
quality-assured environment etc. I spent years busting my a$$ getting a
PhD in physics and the experience in these areas (development of
semiconductor devices, optics, electronics, software). Yet I remember
my latest experience of interviewing in a photonics semiconductor
development company in Australia: "Do you have experience working with
the apparatus X type Y version Z ?" "No, but I have experience of
working with the apparatus X type Y version Q". "Thank you, bye-bye,
don't call us, we will call you".
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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13 Feb 2006 10:32:35 PM |
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"drocillo" <droci11o@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139888681.325513.4660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
So I have heard that the semiconductor industry moves the manufacturing
of chips, for example, from 90 nm-based technology to 70 nm technology.
(The numbers means the smallest possible width of the conductive path
on a chip; the narrower the path the more transistors can be put an a
chip.) The size of a smallest element is limited by the wavelength of
source of light used in the photolithography, so movement to a smaller
wavelength (or even to electron beam) constitues a major difficulty in
the work of the fab.
The question is: who develops those newer compex technologies ? This
probably requires a lot of skill, experience, intellectual capability,
and this job would be paid well and the practitioners will be sought
after. Would not it be a lucrative career for a scientist or engineer
in today's world of uncertain S&E careers ?
I have always thought that the CEOs seek out the talented scientists,
charge them with the responsibility to develop the new technology, give
them several tens of millions dollars of budget, and off they go. Is
not it exciting ? I have always wanted to become such a scientist, have
a large budget, lots of staff, and decide on how to develop better
technology.
Well, after working for private companies and natl laboratories, I came
to change my opinion. It occurs to me that there are no scientists who
are charged with the responsibility to develop the new semiconductor
fabrication technology. Rather, the structure of the development entity
is as follows. There is a CEO, a financial-enterpreneurial type of guy.
He is the person who is charged with responsibility. He hires lots of
scientists and engineers each of which get a samll piece of problem
dole out by clueless project managers. 90% of scientists and engineers
are guided to work on stuff which does not have relation to the new
technology. They work on some small improvements of something, but the
results of their work does not go anywhere. The work of only 10% of
staff (they are usually trusted "core" employees) goes into the new
technological process.
Knowing the modern capitalist industrial world better, I would say that
these are the small start-up private companies which develop the new
products and new technologies. Then they get bought up by the large
corporations (like Intel), and the corporations enhance, adapt and
implement the results of work of these bought companies. I do not think
that this scheme is working in here because the development of new
manufacturing technology requires several tens (if not hundreds) of
dollars which the smnall private start-up companies do not have.
I think the development of 90 nm technology took
more than hundreds of dollars.
So, my dream of becoming a high value-adding high-paid development
specialist has been shattered. What will the learned contributors say ?
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Your assessment is very accurate.
(Also, your dream was based on wishes and idealism.)
You have multiple options. Some of them are:
1. Take a safe position with a big company as a grunt
soldier hoping to be in the 10% but happy to make
a living in the 90% (but competing with $8/hr Indians).
2. Join a start-up, hope you picked the right group
of people to join, hope that the start-up does something interesting
enough to be bought by a big company, and hope
that you actually get a windfall from your stock options.
3. You could dedicate your life to the advancement
of technology without the expectation (and likely without
the realization) of great return.
4. You could become a con man/CEO/financial guy
(if you can conquer your pride and scruples).
5. You could become a goat farmer.
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rb
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| User: "BMJ" |
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13 Feb 2006 11:42:34 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
<snip>
So, my dream of becoming a high value-adding high-paid development
specialist has been shattered. What will the learned contributors say ?
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Your assessment is very accurate.
(Also, your dream was based on wishes and idealism.)
You have multiple options. Some of them are:
1. Take a safe position with a big company as a grunt
soldier hoping to be in the 10% but happy to make
a living in the 90% (but competing with $8/hr Indians).
And make sure you associate with the right people.
2. Join a start-up, hope you picked the right group
of people to join, hope that the start-up does something interesting
enough to be bought by a big company, and hope
that you actually get a windfall from your stock options.
And hope that the stock actually amounts to something. Whenever I
considered investing money in a company like that, my broker would ask
how money I was prepared to lose.
3. You could dedicate your life to the advancement
of technology without the expectation (and likely without
the realization) of great return.
But isn't that what a lot of research is about?
4. You could become a con man/CEO/financial guy
(if you can conquer your pride and scruples).
5. You could become a goat farmer.
Being independent has its risks as well, but, then again, one doesn't
have to put up with stuff like performance appraisals and all that.
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rb
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14 Feb 2006 09:34:14 AM |
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I don't think that there is presently such thing as "high value-adding
high-paid development specialist".
The glorious days of good old Bell Labs are all in the past: scientists
and engineers are not respected the way they used to be back in those
good old days...
There is no such thing as well paid and secure career for scientists
and engineers in industry (unless you manage to become one of those
managerial types).
Small private companies and individuals contribute disproportionately
large share of all new technologies.
According to the recent congressional testimony of Nathan P. Myhrvold
(http://www.piausa.org/patent_reform/congressional_testimony/nathan_p_myhrvold_04_28_2005),
universities, individuals and small businesses in aggregate have
substantially more processor patents than Intel or IBM , more than the
two combined.
Big corporations mostly buy or plainly steal key technologies from
small entities - this is how innovation works in corporate America
nowadays.
From what I can see, it is so much better to be an IP lawyer these
days...
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14 Feb 2006 12:46:58 PM |
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The glorious days of good old Bell Labs are all in the past: scientists
MicroSoft has an impressive reasearch lab on paper-
the is big names, conference papers delivered, and funding amount.
Not much of their results are making it into shipping products yet.
In the long run that could spell doom.
Google is considered to have a higher IQ workforce than MicroSoft.
But most of it is working on relatively short term projects.
I dont know if they've distilled a long-term development lab out
of the mix yet. A few googlaires speak at conferences, but
not at MicroSoft's rates.
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14 Feb 2006 01:42:37 PM |
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MicroSoft has an impressive reasearch lab on paper-
the is big names, conference papers delivered, and funding amount.
You forgot to mention all the junk patents coming out, because this is
the main purpose behind their existence. You can read them all at
www.uspto.gov until you get sick of reading that crap...
Not much of their results are making it into shipping products yet.
In the long run that could spell doom.
Yeah, not much of *their* results, indeed, simply because there are no
important results...
To compensate, they just include results by *others* without asking
others' permission.
When those *others* start asking for adequate compensation the doom
will be inevitable... (Read about some recent MSOffice patent
loss-related *downgrade*)
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| User: "Straydog" |
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14 Feb 2006 02:44:43 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, rick++ wrote:
The glorious days of good old Bell Labs are all in the past: scientists
MicroSoft has an impressive reasearch lab on paper-
the is big names, conference papers delivered, and funding amount.
Not much of their results are making it into shipping products yet.
In the long run that could spell doom.
Google is considered to have a higher IQ workforce than MicroSoft.
There is a rumor from a published magazine that Google is coming out with
an addaptation of Linux ported to the Google desktop. Since Google is
coming out with tons of stuff, reachable at its URL, its a guess that they
are going to make a splash and finish the suite and thus become an ASP.
Another rumor is that they are working on becomeing a bank (gBank?), and
this just might smoke MS to dust. Whether that is good or not I'll leave
up to you guyhs.
But most of it is working on relatively short term projects.
I dont know if they've distilled a long-term development lab out
of the mix yet. A few googlaires speak at conferences, but
not at MicroSoft's rates.
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14 Feb 2006 03:13:31 PM |
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Google can and probably will bury MS in the same way as on-demand video
content delivery over high-speed
Internet will bury Blockbuster as we know it...
The rise of Google can be attributed to their brilliant search
technology, obviously, but also to
their minimal patent exposure and good trade secret protection for
server-based computing.
Another clever piece of tech, but on a client side (Netscape), was
killed by MS in just a few short years...
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| User: "BMJ" |
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14 Feb 2006 03:22:25 PM |
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Google can and probably will bury MS in the same way as on-demand video
content delivery over high-speed
Internet will bury Blockbuster as we know it...
The rise of Google can be attributed to their brilliant search
technology, obviously, but also to
their minimal patent exposure and good trade secret protection for
server-based computing.
Another clever piece of tech, but on a client side (Netscape), was
killed by MS in just a few short years...
Meanwhile, MS wants to start a system similar to what Research In
Motion's Blackberry has.
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| User: "Straydog" |
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14 Feb 2006 03:31:54 PM |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, BMJ wrote:
dt@soundmathtech.com wrote:
Google can and probably will bury MS in the same way as on-demand video
content delivery over high-speed
Internet will bury Blockbuster as we know it...
The rise of Google can be attributed to their brilliant search
technology, obviously, but also to
their minimal patent exposure and good trade secret protection for
server-based computing.
Another clever piece of tech, but on a client side (Netscape), was
killed by MS in just a few short years...
Meanwhile, MS wants to start a system similar to what Research In Motion's
Blackberry has.
MS has been "borg"ing everything it can get its hand on. Now, they are
running a subscription service to AV, firewall, and OS patches..targeting
Symantec, McAfee, and some others. Just like they did to Stac Electronics,
the Norton Utiliites (its all--except techie stuff like disk editors--
bundled in OS), Netscape, etc. Its a war zone out there.
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| User: "rick++" |
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15 Feb 2006 08:58:44 AM |
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Google rumors are entertainment for yuppies.
Since this is a science newsgroup- a formal R&D lab
that writes papers contributes more to the scientific knowledge,
even if they lose the commercialization war.
That was the lesson of Xerox Palo Alto Center.
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| User: "" |
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23 Feb 2006 09:37:24 PM |
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rick++ wrote:
Google rumors are entertainment for yuppies.
Since this is a science newsgroup- a formal R&D lab
that writes papers contributes more to the scientific knowledge,
even if they lose the commercialization war.
That was the lesson of Xerox Palo Alto Center.
Forgive my ignorance but how can a search engine company like Google
compete against an operating system company like Microsoft. There are
many search engines out there, perhaps google is a little better than
others. But how does it compare to products microsoft offers? They
are like apples and oranges.
Is it based on the idea that google is going to morph into some kind of
asp? Or is the nature of computing about to change over the internet
where the client-server paradime suddenly goes out the window and our
machine is being booted by some OS on some server over the internet. I
dont' know how that idea that someone else controls the OS of your
machine will be recieved.
So i'd like to know how does google even compete in the same sphere as
a monopoly like Microsoft.
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23 Feb 2006 10:34:41 PM |
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Forgive my ignorance but how can a search engine company like Google
compete against an operating system company like Microsoft. There are
many search engines out there, perhaps google is a little better than
others. But how does it compare to products microsoft offers? They
are like apples and oranges.
Is it based on the idea that google is going to morph into some kind of
asp? Or is the nature of computing about to change over the internet
where the client-server paradime suddenly goes out the window and our
machine is being booted by some OS on some server over the internet. I
dont' know how that idea that someone else controls the OS of your
machine will be recieved.
So i'd like to know how does google even compete in the same sphere as
a monopoly like Microsoft.
A "search engine company" ?
Google has already transformed itself into something much bigger, and
with all the money from IPO sky is the limit...
While I can understand the joy experienced by Linux-types when they can
manually edit all system configuration files and do a kernel rebuild,
most normal people use computers as information appliances.
Google is already scanning all the books in some public libraries to
make their content fully searchable, and this is just a beginning...
As Bill Gates once said: "The best is yet to come" (but probably not
for MS)
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24 Feb 2006 06:47:48 PM |
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Google is already scanning all the books in some public libraries to make their
content fully searchable
That's not a new idea. In fact I remember project gutenberg or
something from the early days of the internet where you could download
classic literature in text file format. The copywrite issue aside, I
don't see what the big deal about google scanning a few books is going
to be. I don't see how they are of any challenge whatsoever to
Microsoft's monopoly on the operating system and applications,
compilers..etc market.
Frankly I cannot see where all the enthusiasm for this company is
coming from. Its just a search engine company from what I can tell.
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24 Feb 2006 08:01:28 PM |
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Frankly I cannot see where all the enthusiasm for this company is
coming from. Its just a search engine company from what I can tell.
The enthusiasm in part comes from some key MS employees leaving MS to
join Google.
MS even sued Google over hiring of some guy.
The rumor has is Steve Ballmer was a little upset... to the point of
throwing some chairs...
As you might remember, MS was doing something similar to poor Borland
some time ago - they basically openly recruited key Borland people...
As Comrade Stalin used to say: "kadry reshayut vse" ("people are
everything") :-)
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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25 Feb 2006 09:30:00 AM |
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In article <1140752244.283380.76300@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
<visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote:
rick++ wrote:
Google rumors are entertainment for yuppies.
Since this is a science newsgroup- a formal R&D lab
that writes papers contributes more to the scientific knowledge,
even if they lose the commercialization war.
That was the lesson of Xerox Palo Alto Center.
Forgive my ignorance but how can a search engine company like Google
compete against an operating system company like Microsoft. There are
many search engines out there, perhaps google is a little better than
others. But how does it compare to products microsoft offers? They
are like apples and oranges.
Google is not a threat to Microsoft in operating systems, business
applications, and certain other of Microsoft's strengths. Google is,
however, a threat to Microsoft in on-line searches. Of course, Microsoft
had no interest whatsoever in that before it was developed by others. But
that's typical.
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"No other major companies were working on [computer-controlled homes], and
that was exactly the problem. Microsoft does best when it has a
successful competitor it can copy and then crush." -- Marlin Eller,
"Barbarians Led by Bill Gates", 1998
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| User: "Straydog" |
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24 Feb 2006 01:57:26 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, wrote:
rick++ wrote:
Google rumors are entertainment for yuppies.
Since this is a science newsgroup- a formal R&D lab
that writes papers contributes more to the scientific knowledge,
even if they lose the commercialization war.
That was the lesson of Xerox Palo Alto Center.
Forgive my ignorance but how can a search engine company like Google
compete against an operating system company like Microsoft.
I read, in one of the computer trade rags where google is addapting Linux
for use with the google desktop. It might blow MS away. ASPs are pushing
all kinds of services to be delivered over the WWW connection. Who would
need Windows, then?
FYI, I don't like MS, but I also don't like "rentware" either.
===== no change to below, included for reference and context =====
There are
many search engines out there, perhaps google is a little better than
others. But how does it compare to products microsoft offers? They
are like apples and oranges.
Is it based on the idea that google is going to morph into some kind of
asp? Or is the nature of computing about to change over the internet
where the client-server paradime suddenly goes out the window and our
machine is being booted by some OS on some server over the internet. I
dont' know how that idea that someone else controls the OS of your
machine will be recieved.
So i'd like to know how does google even compete in the same sphere as
a monopoly like Microsoft.
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24 Feb 2006 06:50:58 PM |
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Straydog wrote:
I read, in one of the computer trade rags where google is addapting Linux
for use with the google desktop.
That is a long shot indeed. Linux desktop has been around in many
forms for a while now. It has not even dented window's monopoly of the
desktop market. In servers and some other niche areas, linux might
have a following though. I don't see how google adapting a desktop is
going to change anything.
Why are people pumping so much money into this search engine company.
I still cannot understand how or where the statement that they can be a
challenge to Microsoft is coming from. What is this statement based on
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| User: "drocillo" |
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24 Feb 2006 07:13:37 PM |
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Linux desktop has been around in many
forms for a while now. It has not even dented window's monopoly of the
desktop market.
Linux is big in Europe. It is an OS of choice.
Why are people pumping so much money into this search engine company.
A part of the reason why the share price is so high (P/E ratio = 90) is
that this company knows who and what kind of searches they did in the
past 8 years; and they will have the same information on the most of us
in the future. The police state is inevitably coming on us; the
government will pay dearly for such personal information on each of us.
You did a search on the keywords "terrorist cookbook" ? We will come
for you. You did a search on "tax evasion" ? No ? You did a search on
"tax minimization" ? We will send our tax auditor to you, anyway, just
in case. We know from you other searches that you had some financial
problems, and your financial obligations increased, so that you may
well have cheated. We now know where to dig. Thanks to the information
we got from Google.
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24 Feb 2006 07:18:54 PM |
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wrote:
Straydog wrote:
I read, in one of the computer trade rags where google is addapting Linux
for use with the google desktop.
That is a long shot indeed. Linux desktop has been around in many
forms for a while now. It has not even dented window's monopoly of the
desktop market. In servers and some other niche areas, linux might
have a following though. I don't see how google adapting a desktop is
going to change anything.
Why are people pumping so much money into this search engine company.
I still cannot understand how or where the statement that they can be a
challenge to Microsoft is coming from. What is this statement based on
?
It's based on the obvious fact that only thing Microosft
knows about computers or software is how to suck
Sun teats.
And the only thing Sun knows about anything in the entire
universe, is that Java and HTML are the pork de jeur of AT&T.
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| User: "Straydog" |
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24 Feb 2006 08:20:01 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, wrote:
Straydog wrote:
I read, in one of the computer trade rags where google is addapting Linux
for use with the google desktop.
That is a long shot indeed. Linux desktop has been around in many
forms for a while now. It has not even dented window's monopoly of the
desktop market. In servers and some other niche areas, linux might
have a following though. I don't see how google adapting a desktop is
going to change anything.
Why are people pumping so much money into this search engine company.
I still cannot understand how or where the statement that they can be a
challenge to Microsoft is coming from. What is this statement based on
?
Their share price is much higher, they are grwoing and grwoing much faster
than MS, and with the G desktop, Gmai, Geverthing, and a free OS, you put
them all together and its going to cut into MS. Linux is spreading quite
fast on networks and servers and has MS on the run. If MS ever ported MS
Office to Linux, then Windows would be dead. Office is already essentially
ported to BSD because OS X is based on Darwin which is based on BSD.
Personally I don't care, but Google has quite a lot of advert revenue
coming off the sponsored links and MS doesn't have anything like that.
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| User: "Kamal R. Prasad" |
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25 Feb 2006 03:42:34 AM |
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Their share price is much higher, they are grwoing and grwoing much faster
than MS, and with the G desktop, Gmai, Geverthing, and a free OS, you put
guess why Bill Gates is going to get angry at his wife? coz she is
wearing a G-string.
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
25 Feb 2006 06:19:33 AM |
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Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
guess why Bill Gates is going to get angry at his wife? coz she is
wearing a G-string.
The question is why Bill Gates (Microsoft) does not like Google ? It is
not because Google is his "competitor". The reason is that Microsoft
used to absorb the "crazy" easy money from the society (I define the
"crazy" money as those which the society throws copiously at the
current fad. E.g. in the 1950s it was physics, in the 1990s it was IT).
Now this "crazy" easy money are absorbed by Google... hence less is
left for Microsoft.
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| User: "Straydog" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything iscrap) |
25 Feb 2006 08:11:25 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Their share price is much higher, they are grwoing and grwoing much faster
than MS, and with the G desktop, Gmai, Geverthing, and a free OS, you put
guess why Bill Gates is going to get angry at his wife? coz she is
wearing a G-string.
Very funny. did you make that up or is that the new joke going around?
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| User: "Kamal R. Prasad" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
26 Feb 2006 11:20:34 PM |
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Straydog wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Their share price is much higher, they are grwoing and grwoing much faster
than MS, and with the G desktop, Gmai, Geverthing, and a free OS, you put
guess why Bill Gates is going to get angry at his wife? coz she is
wearing a G-string.
Very funny. did you make that up or is that the new joke going around?
yeah -its my idea.
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| User: "Straydog" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything iscrap) |
27 Feb 2006 07:44:23 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2006, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Straydog wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Kamal R. Prasad wrote:
Their share price is much higher, they are grwoing and grwoing much faster
than MS, and with the G desktop, Gmai, Geverthing, and a free OS, you put
guess why Bill Gates is going to get angry at his wife? coz she is
wearing a G-string.
Very funny. did you make that up or is that the new joke going around?
yeah -its my idea.
Give yourself an award for that.
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
15 Feb 2006 09:20:07 AM |
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In article <1139888681.325513.4660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
drocillo <droci11o@yahoo.com> wrote:
The compartmentalization you describe is a characteristic of big projects
in general, not semiconductors in particular. For instance, grad students
involved in accelerator physics complain about the very narrow
responsibilities they're given in the larger project.
I'd also read that the ageism that runs rampant in IT is also there on the
hardware end-- ten years of experience required, BUT NO MORE.
--
"The polhode rolls without slipping on the herpolhode lying in the
invariable plane." -- Goldstein, Classical Mechanics 2nd. ed., p207.
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| User: "rick++" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
14 Feb 2006 08:58:38 AM |
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The answer is very simple- a graduate degree from a good computer
science
or EE department. I lived in Silicon Valley for many years and knew
many
who did this work.
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| User: "Old Pif" |
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| Title: Re: Careers in semiconductor technology (Or: 90% of anything is crap) |
14 Feb 2006 07:57:18 AM |
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drocillo wrote:
Knowing the modern capitalist industrial world better, I would say that
these are the small start-up private companies which develop the new
products and new technologies. Then they get bought up by the large
corporations (like Intel), and the corporations enhance, adapt and
implement the results of work of these bought companies. I do not think
that this scheme is working in here because the development of new
manufacturing technology requires several tens (if not hundreds) of
dollars which the smnall private start-up companies do not have.
Somewhere at the end of 80th - beginning of 90th the business model for
the large corporation had changed. Before that they invested highly
into research as such. Later they have formulated so called "core
business" concept which basically means buying instead of developing
everything except very small narrow field where they believe they are
the best. I don't know anything specifically about the new processor
technology but it might be that it belongs to their core competence and
they have developed it themselves.
The problem of capital for the new product is very serious one. Some
innovations stays in limbo without adequate funding. Fuel cells is a
good example.
Old Pif
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