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"Pentcho Valev" |
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23 Nov 2005 01:03:04 AM |
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Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
23 Nov 2005 02:10:11 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132729384.396621.28860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And cranks like yourself do not help.
Bill
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| User: "king of SCR" |
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27 Nov 2005 04:46:53 AM |
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Lets not forget that the Britain of today is a shadow of its former self.
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132729384.396621.28860@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "" |
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27 Nov 2005 05:08:18 AM |
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Lets not forget that the Britain of today is a shadow of its former
self.
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With the cybernetic locking-in of the Global Brain, that will be said
of all nations.
Have a nice Sunday.
Use sunscreen - Carl.
- Donsky Oatsky
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SUPORGLI.html
The Social Superorganism and its Global Brain
Society can be viewed as a multicellular organism, with individuals in
the role of the cells. The network of communication channels connecting
individuals then plays the role of a nervous system for this
superorganism, i.e. a "global brain".
It is an old idea, dating back at least to the ancient Greeks, that the
whole of human society can be viewed as a single organism. Many
thinkers have noticed the similarity between the roles played by
different organizations in society and the functions of organs, systems
and circuits in the body. For example, industrial plants extract energy
and building blocks from raw materials, just like the digestive system.
Roads, railways and waterways transport these products from one part of
the system to another one, just like the arteries and veins. Garbage
dumps and sewage systems collect waste products, just like the colon
and the bladder. The army and police protect the society against
invaders and rogue elements, just like the immune system.
Such initially vague analogies become more precise as the understanding
of organisms increases. The concepts of systems theory provide a good
framework for establishing a precise correspondence between organismic
and societal functions. The fact that complex organisms, like our own
bodies, are built up from individual cells, led to the concept of
superorganism. If cells aggregate to form a multicellular organism,
then organisms might aggregate to form an organism of organisms: a
superorganism. Biologists agree that social insect colonies, such as
ant nests or beehives, are best seen as such superorganisms. The
activities of a single ant, bee or termite are meaningless unless they
are understood in function of the survival of the colony.
Individual humans may seem similar to the cells of a social
superorganism, but they are still much more independent than ants or
cells (Heylighen & Campbell, 1995). This is especially clear if we look
at the remaining competition, conflicts and misunderstandings between
individuals and groups. Thus human society is still an ambivalent
system, balancing between individual selfishness and collective
responsibility. In that sense it may be more similar to organisms like
slime molds or sponges, whose cells can live individually as well as
collectively, than to true multicellular organisms. However, there
seems to be a continuing trend towards global integration. As
technological and social systems develop into a more closely knit
tissue of interactions, transcending the old boundaries between
countries and cultures, the social superorganism seems to turn from a
metaphor into a reality. Although many people tend to see the
super-organism philosophy as a totalitarian or collectivist ideology,
the opposite is true: further integration will basically increase
individual freedom and diversity.
Most recently, the technological revolution has produced a global
communication network, which can be seen as a nervous system for this
planetary being. As the computer network becomes more intelligent it
starts to look more like a global brain or super-brain, with
capabilities far surpassing those of individual people (see our page on
learning, brain-like webs for an experimental approach to make the net
more intelligent). This is part of an evolutionary transition to a
higher level of complexity. A remaining question is whether this
transition will lead to the integration of the whole of humanity,
producing a human "super-being", or merely enhance the capabilities of
individuals, thus producing a multitude of "meta-beings".
In order to study these different issues, the "Global Brain Group" has
been created. Its members include most of the authors that have written
on the subject. Their works and others are listed in the global brain
bibliography. Their discussion have inspired a Global Brain FAQ, i.e. a
list of answers to the most common questions raised by this subject.
Copyright=A9 2000 Principia Cybernetica - Referencing this page
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
23 Nov 2005 08:34:10 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2.
Nuff said!
Pentcho Valev is a documented crank in the Eur. J. Phys.
And that's quite a rap list of fumbles
http://www.google.com/search?q=Valev+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be
Pentcho Valev FAQ
http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/valevfaq.htm
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
23 Nov 2005 10:08:11 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
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| User: "Wilson" |
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24 Nov 2005 01:52:29 AM |
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On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
.....but don't worry. When the oil runs out, physicists will be able to name
their own price.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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24 Nov 2005 08:05:03 AM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
....but don't worry. When the oil runs out, physicists will be able to name
their own price.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
Don't be so stooopid Henri Wilson--you don't even understand
relativity. Henri Wilson failed in trying to learn physics so
now his immature reaction is to try to discredit what he could not
learn. What a waste of a human being. Literally what a waste.
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| User: "Wilson" |
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24 Nov 2005 03:42:07 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:05:03 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
....but don't worry. When the oil runs out, physicists will be able to name
their own price.
Don't be so stooopid Henri Wilson--you don't even understand
relativity. Henri Wilson failed in trying to learn physics so
now his immature reaction is to try to discredit what he could not
learn. What a waste of a human being. Literally what a waste.
You're a complete waste of good C-H bonds Wormley.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| User: "Androcles" |
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24 Nov 2005 10:02:58 PM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:urcco19ofd85c4us26o1d9qqch9avcrmqe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:05:03 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
....but don't worry. When the oil runs out, physicists will be able to
name
their own price.
Don't be so stooopid Henri Wilson--you don't even understand
relativity. Henri Wilson failed in trying to learn physics so
now his immature reaction is to try to discredit what he could not
learn. What a waste of a human being. Literally what a waste.
You're a complete waste of good C-H bonds Wormley.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:02:54 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
<surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Androcles wrote:
Einstein was unscrupulous. <shrug>
The lying ***** said
" we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A. "
<shrug>
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t'A-tA) = c
to be a universal constant--the velocity of light in empty space." <shrug>
That's a load of bollocks, nobody has any experience of that.<shrug>
Oh for christ's sake A, why don't you learn to understand your own theory.
Einstein clearly knew that light speed was source dependent.
According to Ritz (and you and I) the "time'' required by light to travel
from A to B DOES equal the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A, if
the
source and mirror are mutually at rest. In that case, OWLS = TWLS = c.
Einstein's definition of clock synching is actually ABSOLUTE synching. He
got
the right answer for the wrong reasons.
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
Androcles
Sometime I'm a complete success. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to proving
Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in by Einstein.
TWLS <> OWLS.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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25 Nov 2005 10:50:48 AM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote in message news:S1whf.65$8G6.57@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
Androcles
Sometime I'm a complete success. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to proving
Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in by Einstein.
See Rabbidge, that's what you get when you are even dumber than
the almost dumbest.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Wilson" |
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26 Nov 2005 03:13:25 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:02:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:urcco19ofd85c4us26o1d9qqch9avcrmqe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:05:03 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
According to Ritz (and you and I) the "time'' required by light to travel
from A to B DOES equal the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A, if
the
source and mirror are mutually at rest. In that case, OWLS = TWLS = c.
Einstein's definition of clock synching is actually ABSOLUTE synching. He
got
the right answer for the wrong reasons.
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
THERE IS ONLY ONE FRAME.
V= 0 !!!!!!!
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
GEEZ! HOW HOPELESS CAN ONE GET ...
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
In a TWLS experiment, v = 0 you silly old fool.
Androcles
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| User: "Androcles" |
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26 Nov 2005 06:36:56 AM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:02:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:urcco19ofd85c4us26o1d9qqch9avcrmqe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:05:03 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
wrote:
According to Ritz (and you and I) the "time'' required by light to
travel
from A to B DOES equal the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A,
if
the
source and mirror are mutually at rest. In that case, OWLS = TWLS = c.
Einstein's definition of clock synching is actually ABSOLUTE synching.
He
got
the right answer for the wrong reasons.
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
THERE IS ONLY ONE FRAME.
Nah... Einstein has a "stationary" frame and a "moving" frame.
Halfwits can count to five,
Dimwits can count to four,
Nitwits can count to three,
Phuckwit Relativists can count to two, but only one way.
Aetherialist drunken Wabos can count to one.
V= 0 !!!!!!!
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Factorial.html
"The factorial n! is defined for a positive integer n! as n! <=> n(n-1)
....2.1
So, for example, 4! = 4.3.2.1 = 24
The special case 0! is defined to have value 0! = 1"
Zero factorial is one.
One factorial is one.
One factorial factorial is one.
One factorial factorial factorial is one.
One factorial factorial factorial factorial is one.
One factorial factorial factorial factorial factorial is one.
One factorial factorial factorial factorial factorial factorial is one.
Hence 0!!!!!!! = 1.
That is proof that aetherialist drunken Wabos can count to one.
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
GEEZ! HOW HOPELESS CAN ONE GET ...
You can get as hopeless as you like.
Velocity is distance divided by time.
The distance from A to A is zero in the real world, I dunno about
Australia or Belgium.
See Dinky Van de merde, he knows all about there being only
one square root. The pair of you can both count to one.
Even a phuckwit can count to two, and we both know Van de
merde is lower than a phuckwit.
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have
your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
In a TWLS experiment, v = 0 you silly old fool.
Nah... v is positive, c is positive one way and negative the other.
It's hopeless explaining that to someone who can only count to one,
which is as hopeless as ONE can get.
"Contractions are real in LET" - Wilson.
Calling me names without being able to do the math is a tusselad stunt.
You are now a troll as well as a phuckwit aetherialist.
Androcles.
Sometimes I'm a partial success. The least useful thing I have ever done
is proven Wabo Wilson Wrong. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to
proving Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in
by Einstein, lower in intelligence than a phuckwit. TWLS <> OWLS.
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24 Nov 2005 08:51:18 AM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
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| User: "Wilson" |
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24 Nov 2005 03:41:09 PM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single mothers that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
....but like I said, there soon will be.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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24 Nov 2005 10:03:14 PM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise
known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But
instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single mothers
that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
...but like I said, there soon will be.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:02:54 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
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< > wrote in message
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Androcles wrote:
Einstein was unscrupulous. <shrug>
The lying ***** said
" we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by light to travel
from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A. "
<shrug>
"In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity
2AB/(t'A-tA) = c
to be a universal constant--the velocity of light in empty space." <shrug>
That's a load of bollocks, nobody has any experience of that.<shrug>
Oh for christ's sake A, why don't you learn to understand your own theory.
Einstein clearly knew that light speed was source dependent.
According to Ritz (and you and I) the "time'' required by light to travel
from A to B DOES equal the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A, if
the
source and mirror are mutually at rest. In that case, OWLS = TWLS = c.
Einstein's definition of clock synching is actually ABSOLUTE synching. He
got
the right answer for the wrong reasons.
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
Androcles
Sometime I'm a complete success. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to proving
Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in by Einstein.
TWLS <> OWLS.
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26 Nov 2005 03:17:22 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:14 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
That's what mental patients recite all day.
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!v
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!
etc, etc.....
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
Androcles
Sometime I'm a complete success. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to proving
Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in by Einstein.
TWLS <> OWLS.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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26 Nov 2005 06:55:15 AM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:14 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:vlcco1hk378u0t9s2gft34poog2jmtab3t@4ax.com...
On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Light initially travels at c wrt its source. Einstein apparently knew
it....
Of course he knew it, and it travels at c-v wrt the mirror.
OWLtime = x/(c-v), OWLspeed = c-v.
Then it travels back to the source.
OtherWLtime = -x/(v-c), OtherWLspeed = v+c.
TWLtime = -x/(v-c) + x/(v+c)
One way light SPEED = total distance moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Mirror (B) = x
Total time taken is x/(c-v).
Two Way light SPEED = total distance light moved / total time taken.
Total distance moved is Source (A) to Source (A) = 0.
TWLS = 0.
That's what mental patients recite all day.
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!v
TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!TWLS=0!vTWLS=0!TWLS=0!
etc, etc.....
0! = 1, by definition.
Reference http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Factorial.html
I have never said TWLS = 1, I said TWLS = 0.
OWLS = AB/ (tB-tA)
The drunken Wabo mental patient said "TWLS=0!"
That's what mental patients recite all day.
Is your straight-jacket too tight for you, drunken Wabo?
but he also knew he could derive more money and fame from his 'hoax'.
You are losing it, you old goat. Get a brain retread next time you have
your
ears lowered.
t = -x/(v-c) will NEVER be equal to x/(v+c)
Androcles
Sometime I'm a complete success. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to proving
Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in by Einstein.
TWLS <> OWLS.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
"Contractions are real in LET" - Wilson.
Androcles.
"Calling me names without being able to do the math is a tusselad stunt.
Wilson is a troll as well as a phuckwit aetherialist.
Sometimes I'm a partial success. The least useful thing I have ever done
is proven Wabo Wilson Wrong. Wilson did NOT EVER come close to
proving Einstein wrong, Wilson is a crank, a gullible sucker taken in
by Einstein. TWLS <> OWLS."
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24 Nov 2005 08:56:26 PM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
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"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single mothers that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein ever
did?
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26 Nov 2005 03:14:39 AM |
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On 24 Nov 2005 18:56:26 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
:
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single mothers that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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26 Nov 2005 03:22:37 PM |
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 18:56:26 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800, wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
:
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics", otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single mothers that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
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26 Nov 2005 05:55:58 PM |
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<> wrote in message
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Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 18:56:26 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 24 Nov 2005 06:51:18 -0800, wrote:
Henri Wilson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2005 08:08:11 -0800,
wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/comment/story/0,9828,1648111,00.html
:
"We are nearing the end of the "World Year of Physics",
otherwise known
as Einstein Year, as it is the centenary of his annus mirabilis
in
which he made three incredible breakthroughs, including special
relativity. In fact, it was 100 years ago yesterday that he
published
the most famous equation in the history of physics: E=mc2. But
instead
of celebrating, physicists are in mourning after a report showed
a
dramatic decline in the number of pupils studying physics at
school.
The number taking A-level physics has dropped by 38% over the
past 15
years, a catastrophic meltdown that is set to continue over the
next
few years. The report warns that a shortage of physics teachers
and a
lack of interest from pupils could mean the end of physics in
state
schools.... Britain was the home of Isaac Newton, Michael
Faraday and
Paul Dirac, and Brits made world-class contributions to
understanding
gravity, quantum physics and electromagnetism - and yet the
British
physicist is now facing extinction."
Pentcho Valev
And the connection between the centenary and the decline of
interest in
physics courses in Britain is?
Einsteiniana has sidetracked physics for 100 years.
That is not responsive to my actual question. Do you want to try
again?
The real reason is that so many boys are being raised by single
mothers that
they have little incentive to take an interest in anything technical.
Also there are no jobs in physics.
You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
Wilson loves to argue. You say left, he says right. You say right, he says
left.
He sits on the fence and argues both sides against the middle.
Androcles.
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27 Nov 2005 03:23:57 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:55:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
<surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
Wilson loves to argue. You say left, he says right. You say right, he says
left.
He sits on the fence and argues both sides against the middle.
Androcles.
Silly old pommie immigrant....doesn't even understand his own theory....
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
Einstein knew it...but decided his 'joke' was a lot more fun...
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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27 Nov 2005 07:51:59 PM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:55:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
<surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein
ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
Wilson loves to argue. You say left, he says right. You say right, he says
left.
He sits on the fence and argues both sides against the middle.
Androcles.
Silly old pommie immigrant....doesn't even understand his own theory....
I thought you had your sanity back with sagnac1.exe.
I guess I'm wrong again, huh?
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
The frame of the turntable is a single frame.
The frame of the observer is a single frame.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
How come the red ray goes faster than the blue ray, sagnac1.exe ?
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Einstein knew it...but decided his 'joke' was a lot more fun...
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
Wilson is becoming a success under my guidance.
Wilson did not ever come close to proving Einstein wrong,
he still doesn't understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
THAT proves Einstein wrong, but Wilson is too late to claim
a first. Sagnac was first, and I beat Wilson.
Androcles.
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28 Nov 2005 03:11:31 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:51:59 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:55:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
<surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133040157.301549.134160@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein
ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
Wilson loves to argue. You say left, he says right. You say right, he says
left.
He sits on the fence and argues both sides against the middle.
Androcles.
Silly old pommie immigrant....doesn't even understand his own theory....
I thought you had your sanity back with sagnac1.exe.
I guess I'm wrong again, huh?
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
The frame of the turntable is a single frame.
The frame of the observer is a single frame.
The moving mirrors are NOT in the same frame.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
Actually I DO believe that the times are the same for beams that start out at
exactly 90 degrees apart..but they end up at differnet points on the 45 'source
mirror' where the fringers are seen..
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
How come the red ray goes faster than the blue ray, sagnac1.exe ?
I told you., The mirrors are all moving wrt the non-rotating frame.
If the interferometer was NOT rotating all its components would be in the same
frame.
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Don't use a sagnac interferometer to measure TWLS, A.
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
Wilson is becoming a success under my guidance.
Wilson did not ever come close to proving Einstein wrong,
he still doesn't understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
THAT proves Einstein wrong, but Wilson is too late to claim
a first. Sagnac was first, and I beat Wilson.
Androcles.
It must be early morning over there....
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
28 Nov 2005 04:42:30 AM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:51:59 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:55:58 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
<surrealistic-dream@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You made two claims. How do either of them depend on what Einstein
ever
did?
I'm agreeing with you, idiot.
I can just as easily argue, if that's what you want.
Suit yourself, but I suspect for you to do so would be more honest.
Wilson loves to argue. You say left, he says right. You say right, he
says
left.
He sits on the fence and argues both sides against the middle.
Androcles.
Silly old pommie immigrant....doesn't even understand his own theory....
I thought you had your sanity back with sagnac1.exe.
I guess I'm wrong again, huh?
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
The frame of the turntable is a single frame.
The frame of the observer is a single frame.
The moving mirrors are NOT in the same frame.
With respect to grandpa watching the kiddy ride, you are correct.
With respect to each other, the kiddy on the carousel and the source,
of course they are.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
Actually I DO believe that the times are the same for beams that start out
at
exactly 90 degrees apart..but they end up at differnet points on the 45
'source
mirror' where the fringers are seen..
Silly old Wabo, his own red ray has gone past the detector when the blue ray
catches up (as it should).
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
If the silly old Wabo programs the 4th mirror and does the job properly...
but... he's just a silly old Wabo who listens to a stoooopid Dishman.
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
How come the red ray goes faster than the blue ray, sagnac1.exe ?
I told you., The mirrors are all moving wrt the non-rotating frame.
If the interferometer was NOT rotating all its components would be in the
same
frame.
It's your red ray that wins the race.<shrug>
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
It's a nice program, too. Pity it isn't complete. Almost there but no cigar.
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Don't use a sagnac interferometer to measure TWLS, A.
That's just what Sagnac IS doing, silly old Wabo.
The red beam starts at A, goes counterclockwise all the way to B (which is
where A is as it so happens), reflects and turns into a blue beam which goes
all the way
back to A clockwise. Sagnac does the way out ----> and the way back <----
at the same time.
OWLS <> TWLS.
That PROVES Einstein was wrong (by me, not you), I said it in 1999,
silly old Wabo.
Professional jealousy can't change the Google records, silly old Wabo.
Not even I can do that, silly old Wabo, and I wrote it.
From: "Androcles" <androc...@home.com>
Subject: 2AB/(t'A-tA) = c <=> A & B are at rest.
Date: 1999/04/06
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"In "Electrodynamics", section 1, Einstein makes an assumption.
Quote:
In agreement with experience we further assume the quantity 2AB/(t'A-tA) = c
to be a universal constant, the velocity of light in empty space.
Unquote.
For those of you that love to nitpick, Einstein does not know the difference
between speed and velocity." -- Androcles, 1999.
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
Wilson is becoming a success under my guidance.
Wilson did not ever come close to proving Einstein wrong,
he still doesn't understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
THAT proves Einstein wrong, but Wilson is too late to claim
a first. Sagnac was first, and I beat Wilson.
Androcles.
It must be early morning over there....
Oh yes... stone cold sober.
This message timed at 10:41.
I'm off to make bacon and eggs.
Androcles.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| User: "Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
29 Nov 2005 03:14:22 AM |
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:42:30 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:krhlo15t3k3sbot73ogush7gib9vdfrnku@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:51:59 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
The frame of the turntable is a single frame.
The frame of the observer is a single frame.
The moving mirrors are NOT in the same frame.
With respect to grandpa watching the kiddy ride, you are correct.
With respect to each other, the kiddy on the carousel and the source,
of course they are.
The only frames I will consider are those defined by different linear
movements.
I refuse to use rotating frames any more. It is too easy to make mistakes.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
Actually I DO believe that the times are the same for beams that start out
at
exactly 90 degrees apart..but they end up at differnet points on the 45
'source
mirror' where the fringers are seen..
Silly old Wabo, his own red ray has gone past the detector when the blue ray
catches up (as it should).
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
If the silly old Wabo programs the 4th mirror and does the job properly...
but... he's just a silly old Wabo who listens to a stoooopid Dishman.
Dishman is obbseesed with Sagnac but one of the few SRians who can discuss
problems sensibly without resorting to abuse or plain preaching.
He asks genuine questions and finding the answers has been instrunental in my
further developing the BaTh.
He and I rarely agree on anything...but I have little difficulty in squashing
everything he throws at the BaTh..
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
How come the red ray goes faster than the blue ray, sagnac1.exe ?
I told you., The mirrors are all moving wrt the non-rotating frame.
If the interferometer was NOT rotating all its components would be in the
same
frame.
It's your red ray that wins the race.<shrug>
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
It's a nice program, too. Pity it isn't complete. Almost there but no cigar.
It is not a simple program.
I will add the source mirror eventually.
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Don't use a sagnac interferometer to measure TWLS, A.
That's just what Sagnac IS doing, silly old Wabo.
The red beam starts at A, goes counterclockwise all the way to B (which is
where A is as it so happens), reflects and turns into a blue beam which goes
all the way
back to A clockwise. Sagnac does the way out ----> and the way back <----
at the same time.
OWLS <> TWLS.
There is a bit more to it than that.
That PROVES Einstein was wrong (by me, not you), I said it in 1999,
silly old Wabo.
Professional jealousy can't change the Google records, silly old Wabo.
Not even I can do that, silly old Wabo, and I wrote it.
Did you use superglue to stick grandpa's leg to the carousel?
It must be early morning over there....
Oh yes... stone cold sober.
This message timed at 10:41.
I'm off to make bacon and eggs.
Androcles.
Hope you can catch the pig.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
29 Nov 2005 06:01:14 AM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:42:30 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:krhlo15t3k3sbot73ogush7gib9vdfrnku@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:51:59 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
In any single frame:
tAB=tBA
The frame of the turntable is a single frame.
The frame of the observer is a single frame.
The moving mirrors are NOT in the same frame.
With respect to grandpa watching the kiddy ride, you are correct.
With respect to each other, the kiddy on the carousel and the source,
of course they are.
The only frames I will consider are those defined by different linear
movements.
I refuse to use rotating frames any more. It is too easy to make mistakes.
I'll have to then. (If I can be bothered.)
Damned if I can see what is so difficult about it.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
Actually I DO believe that the times are the same for beams that start
out
at
exactly 90 degrees apart..but they end up at differnet points on the 45
'source
mirror' where the fringers are seen..
Silly old Wabo, his own red ray has gone past the detector when the blue
ray
catches up (as it should).
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
If the silly old Wabo programs the 4th mirror and does the job properly...
but... he's just a silly old Wabo who listens to a stoooopid Dishman.
Dishman is obbseesed with Sagnac but one of the few SRians who can discuss
problems sensibly without resorting to abuse or plain preaching.
That's an oxymoron. How can a relativist be sensible?
Relativists are people that do NOT understand the Principle of Relativity,
starting with Einstein who said it was a first approximation.
You seem to understand it but don't seem to be able to apply it.
The stars move overhead, H, in a fucking circle. The speed of
Proxima Centauri, which you can see I cannot, is 2pi * 3.9 lightyears
a day, one light-year per hour, IN THE FRAME OF AUSTRALIA.
Why? Because the Earth turns. That doesn't SEEM to make sense,
but it IS how the numbers come out when you apply the PoR..
He asks genuine questions and finding the answers has been instrunental in
my
further developing the BaTh.
He and I rarely agree on anything...but I have little difficulty in
squashing
everything he throws at the BaTh..
W can all play devil's advocate once in a while, but people like Dishman
are relentless. It's ok to say "prove it", but when you do they don't
accept it. You have yet to prove Einstein wrong. You can, if you can
show what he said is wrong, and what he said was TWLS = OWLS
in two different frames of reference. He's proven wrong by Sagnac at
the laboratory level and variable stars at the astronomy level, but
beware. The phuckwits claim Algol eclipses, so now you have
to prove that's impossible. Sagnac is a far easier proof.
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
How come the red ray goes faster than the blue ray, sagnac1.exe ?
I told you., The mirrors are all moving wrt the non-rotating frame.
If the interferometer was NOT rotating all its components would be in
the
same
frame.
It's your red ray that wins the race.<shrug>
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
It's a nice program, too. Pity it isn't complete. Almost there but no
cigar.
It is not a simple program.
I will add the source mirror eventually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laser_Ring_Gyro.PNG
No source mirror.
"As the apparatus rotates, light in one branch travels a different distance
than the other branch, changing its phase and resonant frequency with
respect to the light travelling in the other direction, resulting in the
interference pattern beating at the detector. The angular position is
measured by counting the interference fringes."
Different distance, same TIME. Speed of light one way is different to speed
of light
the other way, TWLS <> OWLS.
How simple can it be?
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Don't use a sagnac interferometer to measure TWLS, A.
That's just what Sagnac IS doing, silly old Wabo.
The red beam starts at A, goes counterclockwise all the way to B (which is
where A is as it so happens), reflects and turns into a blue beam which
goes
all the way
back to A clockwise. Sagnac does the way out ----> and the way back <----
at the same time.
OWLS <> TWLS.
There is a bit more to it than that.
Baloney.
That PROVES Einstein was wrong (by me, not you), I said it in 1999,
silly old Wabo.
Professional jealousy can't change the Google records, silly old Wabo.
Not even I can do that, silly old Wabo, and I wrote it.
Did you use superglue to stick grandpa's leg to the carousel?
Why do you make such fucking stupid comments?
Clearly you do not understand the PoR.
Androcles.
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| User: "Wilson" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
29 Nov 2005 06:29:44 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:01:14 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep> wrote:
"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
news:286oo1tn644euoklar5cqbe68qte3f29tm@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:42:30 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
wrote:
The only frames I will consider are those defined by different linear
movements.
I refuse to use rotating frames any more. It is too easy to make mistakes.
I'll have to then. (If I can be bothered.)
Damned if I can see what is so difficult about it.
The time for the red ray to complete a circuit is less than the time
for the blue ray. tAB clockwise <> tBA, counterclockwise. A= B.
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
Actually I DO believe that the times are the same for beams that start
out
at
exactly 90 degrees apart..but they end up at differnet points on the 45
'source
mirror' where the fringers are seen..
Silly old Wabo, his own red ray has gone past the detector when the blue
ray
catches up (as it should).
Silly old Wabo, doesn't even understand his own program, sagnac1.exe.
If the silly old Wabo programs the 4th mirror and does the job properly...
but... he's just a silly old Wabo who listens to a stoooopid Dishman.
Dishman is obbseesed with Sagnac but one of the few SRians who can discuss
problems sensibly without resorting to abuse or plain preaching.
That's an oxymoron. How can a relativist be sensible?
Relativists are people that do NOT understand the Principle of Relativity,
starting with Einstein who said it was a first approximation.
You seem to understand it but don't seem to be able to apply it.
The stars move overhead, H, in a fucking circle. The speed of
Proxima Centauri, which you can see I cannot, is 2pi * 3.9 lightyears
a day, one light-year per hour, IN THE FRAME OF AUSTRALIA.
Why? Because the Earth turns. That doesn't SEEM to make sense,
but it IS how the numbers come out when you apply the PoR..
He asks genuine questions and finding the answers has been instrunental in
my
further developing the BaTh.
He and I rarely agree on anything...but I have little difficulty in
squashing
everything he throws at the BaTh..
W can all play devil's advocate once in a while, but people like Dishman
are relentless. It's ok to say "prove it", but when you do they don't
accept it. You have yet to prove Einstein wrong. You can, if you can
show what he said is wrong, and what he said was TWLS = OWLS
in two different frames of reference. He's proven wrong by Sagnac at
the laboratory level and variable stars at the astronomy level, but
beware. The phuckwits claim Algol eclipses, so now you have
to prove that's impossible. Sagnac is a far easier proof.
No it isn't.
TWLS = OWLS = c (a universal constant)
It is not a simple program.
I will add the source mirror eventually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laser_Ring_Gyro.PNG
No source mirror.
"As the apparatus rotates, light in one branch travels a different distance
than the other branch, changing its phase and resonant frequency with
respect to the light travelling in the other direction, resulting in the
interference pattern beating at the detector. The angular position is
measured by counting the interference fringes."
Different distance, same TIME. Speed of light one way is different to speed
of light
the other way, TWLS <> OWLS.
How simple can it be?
Ring Lasers are very clever and sensitive but don't use the Sagnac effect at
all.
They use doppler shift and give off a characteristic beat frequency
corresponding to each rotation speed.
Your email described that beating process.
Sagnac interferometers work on an entirely different principle.... Their
fringes remain constantly displaced during periods of constant rotation.
The fringes MOVE only during aceleration.
E-synching = ABSOLUTE synching.
You had better synch the red ray to the blue ray, sagnac1.exe
Don't use a sagnac interferometer to measure TWLS, A.
That's just what Sagnac IS doing, silly old Wabo.
The red beam starts at A, goes counterclockwise all the way to B (which is
where A is as it so happens), reflects and turns into a blue beam which
goes
all the way
back to A clockwise. Sagnac does the way out ----> and the way back <----
at the same time.
OWLS <> TWLS.
There is a bit more to it than that.
Baloney.
That PROVES Einstein was wrong (by me, not you), I said it in 1999,
silly old Wabo.
Professional jealousy can't change the Google records, silly old Wabo.
Not even I can do that, silly old Wabo, and I wrote it.
Did you use superglue to stick grandpa's leg to the carousel?
Why do you make such fucking stupid comments?
Clearly you do not understand the PoR.
You do not understand the four mirror sagnac.
Androcles.
HW.
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
see: www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/variablestars.exe
"Sometimes I feel like a complete failure.
The most useful thing I have ever done is prove Einstein wrong".
.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Celebrating and Mourning in Einstein's Cult |
30 Nov 2005 01:19:31 AM |
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"Henri Wilson" <HW@..> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:01:14 GMT, "Androcles" <Androcles@MyPlace.yep>
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