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"Bruce W.1" |
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01 May 2007 03:11:30 PM |
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Chlorine question |
I couldn't find a chemistry newsgroup so this seemed the next best place.
If chlorine bleach is used to clean something but it is not rinsed off
afterwards then does the chlorine evaporate or are any nasty residuals
left behind?
Thanks for your help.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
01 May 2007 05:12:48 PM |
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"Bruce W.1" wrote:
I couldn't find a chemistry newsgroup so this seemed the next best place.
If chlorine bleach is used to clean something but it is not rinsed off
afterwards then does the chlorine evaporate or are any nasty residuals
left behind?
Residuals: Sodium hypochlorite, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide.
Nasty.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Mitchell Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
01 May 2007 03:50:57 PM |
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In article <n9NZh.3376$HX7.951@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
"Bruce W.1" <sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
I couldn't find a chemistry newsgroup so this seemed the next best place.
***{Try sci.chem. I added it to the newsgroups line of this reply.
--MJ}***
If chlorine bleach is used to clean something but it is not rinsed off
afterwards then does the chlorine evaporate or are any nasty residuals
left behind?
***{After the surface is dry there will be some residuals. Whether you
ought to worry depends on details you did not supply. Do you plan to
lick off the surface with your tongue, for example? If not, then I
probably wouldn't worry about it. Environmental nut jobs, of course,
will advise you to fence off everything within a ten mile radius and bar
human use unto the thousandth generation, but I wouldn't take them very
seriously. (Their ban on DDT, for example, has already killed roughly 50
million children, and another is added to the total every 11 seconds.
Given that, how good can their advice be?)
For specifics about chlorine bleach, do a web search on "sodium
hypochlorite."
--Mitchell Jones}***
Thanks for your help.
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
02 May 2007 11:32:57 AM |
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If chlorine bleach is used to clean something but it is not rinsed off
afterwards then does the chlorine evaporate or are any nasty residuals
left behind?
Bleach chemistry is a bit complicated with many different species
existing in pH-dependent equilibria. Hypochlorite (OCl-) is not very
stable, particularly exposed to light, and in aqueous solution exists
in equilibrium with hypochlorous acid, HOCl, a weak acid.
Hypochlorite decomposes into chlorine gas, oxygen, and sodium chlorate
and sodium chloride, which will leave a solid residue. The OCl-
itself, and/or chlorine radicals that it decomposes to before they
combine to form Cl2, are primarily responsible for the bleach action.
Sodium chlorate is also an oxidizing agent (and an explosive)
supposedly used to bleach paper and wood pulp, but I doubt it would be
as effective as hypochlorite. I doubt a bit of bleach residue readily
explodes though, or else laundromats would all be going off.
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| User: "Divij Rao" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
02 May 2007 12:03:37 PM |
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On May 2, 9:32 pm, wrote:
If chlorine bleach is used to clean something but it is not rinsed off
afterwards then does the chlorine evaporate or are any nasty residuals
left behind?
Bleach chemistry is a bit complicated with many different species
existing in pH-dependent equilibria. Hypochlorite (OCl-) is not very
stable, particularly exposed to light, and in aqueous solution exists
in equilibrium with hypochlorous acid, HOCl, a weak acid.
Hypochlorite decomposes into chlorine gas, oxygen, and sodium chlorate
and sodium chloride, which will leave a solid residue. The OCl-
itself, and/or chlorine radicals that it decomposes to before they
combine to form Cl2, are primarily responsible for the bleach action.
Sodium chlorate is also an oxidizing agent (and an explosive)
supposedly used to bleach paper and wood pulp, but I doubt it would be
as effective as hypochlorite. I doubt a bit of bleach residue readily
explodes though, or else laundromats would all be going off.
if you are searching for a chemistry group, there is one- sci.chem
its a gud one
that may fit .
Regards,
Divij
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| User: "Bruce W.1" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
01 May 2007 04:37:11 PM |
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Mitchell Jones wrote:
In article <n9NZh.3376$HX7.951@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
"Bruce W.1" <sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
***{Try sci.chem. I added it to the newsgroups line of this reply.
--MJ}***
***{After the surface is dry there will be some residuals. Whether you
ought to worry depends on details you did not supply. Do you plan to
lick off the surface with your tongue, for example? If not, then I
probably wouldn't worry about it. Environmental nut jobs, of course,
will advise you to fence off everything within a ten mile radius and bar
human use unto the thousandth generation, but I wouldn't take them very
seriously. (Their ban on DDT, for example, has already killed roughly 50
million children, and another is added to the total every 11 seconds.
Given that, how good can their advice be?)
For specifics about chlorine bleach, do a web search on "sodium
hypochlorite."
--Mitchell Jones}***
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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The context is household cleaning. And my concern is for clothing. If
after the surfaces are dry does any concentrated bleach remain? If so
then any clothing that touched the surface would wind-up with a bleached
spot. Or does all of the bleaching power evaporate?
Thanks again.
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| User: "Mitchell Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
01 May 2007 08:52:51 PM |
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In article <bqOZh.2173$RX.1641@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
"Bruce W.1" <sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
Mitchell Jones wrote:
In article <n9NZh.3376$HX7.951@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
"Bruce W.1" <sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
***{Try sci.chem. I added it to the newsgroups line of this reply.
--MJ}***
***{After the surface is dry there will be some residuals. Whether you
ought to worry depends on details you did not supply. Do you plan to
lick off the surface with your tongue, for example? If not, then I
probably wouldn't worry about it. Environmental nut jobs, of course,
will advise you to fence off everything within a ten mile radius and bar
human use unto the thousandth generation, but I wouldn't take them very
seriously. (Their ban on DDT, for example, has already killed roughly 50
million children, and another is added to the total every 11 seconds.
Given that, how good can their advice be?)
For specifics about chlorine bleach, do a web search on "sodium
hypochlorite."
--Mitchell Jones}***
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
========================================================
The context is household cleaning. And my concern is for clothing. If
after the surfaces are dry does any concentrated bleach remain? If so
then any clothing that touched the surface would wind-up with a bleached
spot. Or does all of the bleaching power evaporate?
Thanks again.
***{In that case, I would wipe off the surface with a wet sponge, and
then dry it off with a white towel. A bit of trouble, but worthwhile if
you intend to place damp clothing on the surface. As to whether the
stuff on the surface is "nasty," I would agree with Al if it were
present in quantity. But it won't be. We are talking about a surface
film so thin as to be invisible, not about gallons of the stuff. --MJ}***
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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| User: "Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
01 May 2007 09:16:26 PM |
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 21:37:11 GMT, "Bruce W.1"
<sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
The context is household cleaning. And my concern is for clothing. If
after the surfaces are dry does any concentrated bleach remain? If so
then any clothing that touched the surface would wind-up with a bleached
spot.
yes -- but only if it was wet.
Or does all of the bleaching power evaporate?
no
bob
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| User: "BillMays" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
02 May 2007 04:08:31 PM |
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"Bob" <bbx107.XYZ@excite.XYZ.com> wrote in message
news:npsf33t23emvve2kc9uim4te8epinqe5g2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 May 2007 21:37:11 GMT, "Bruce W.1"
<sorry@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
The context is household cleaning. And my concern is for clothing. If
after the surfaces are dry does any concentrated bleach remain? If so
then any clothing that touched the surface would wind-up with a bleached
spot.
yes -- but only if it was wet.
Or does all of the bleaching power evaporate?
no
to get rid of the residual, smear some dirt or grease on it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Chlorine question |
02 May 2007 07:03:44 PM |
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On May 2, 2:08 pm, "BillMays" <nos...@spamless.com> wrote:
"Bob" <bbx107....@excite.XYZ.com> wrote in message
news:npsf33t23emvve2kc9uim4te8epinqe5g2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 01 May 2007 21:37:11 GMT, "Bruce W.1"
<s...@noDirectEmail.com> wrote:
The context is household cleaning. And my concern is for clothing. If
after the surfaces are dry does any concentrated bleach remain? If so
then any clothing that touched the surface would wind-up with a bleached
spot.
yes -- but only if it was wet.
Or does all of the bleaching power evaporate?
no
to get rid of the residual, smear some dirt or grease on it.
Just don't mix bleach and ammonia, it's trouble you don't need.
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