You mean people who want to live in an alternate reality, like you?
Do you think you'll find any competent graphics analyst who would
agree with you? A search certainly finds none on the web.

Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:

:On May 21, 12:32 am, Fred J. McCall <fmcc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:> Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :(Note for self...if going out to protest war in Iraq, make sure protest
:> :sign is written in Iraqi, so that people will get my point.) :-D
:> :
:>
:> Note for Pat...if going out to protest the war in Iraq and you are
:> trying to influence the West, make sure protest sign is written in
:> English, so that Press will get and rebroadcast your point.
:
:The West is already influenced.
:

So?

:
:W's war is a mess. The Dems won
:Congress mostly as a protest to W's war. Do try and keep up...
:

Sorry, but that's just stupid.

Oh, I'm sure the Democrats believe it
to be true, but they're kidding themselves.

I really wish politicians would get over this idea that a fingernail
victory for their party constitutes "a MANDATE" for whatever their pet
idea is.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Rand Simberg wrote:

You said Nazism was pagan; I said it had a lot of Christian elements in
it, particularly while trying to appeal to the rank-and-file of the
Germans it wanted to enlist on its side.

I'm sorry, you're right about your original (non) statement. I
misremembered the beginning of the thread. My apologies for that.

I may cut this into a slab of marble and put it up on the wall.
The circle has just been squared, the three-body problem solved, and
Jupiter has indeed just left its orbit.

Yes, it was someone else who said that. The point remains that it was
much more pagan than Christian, and in fact, it really wasn't
Christian at all, but you tried desperately, and pathetically, to make
a case that it was. You remain wrong.

Synthetic marble inside the toilet lid.

I wonder why you can't get as worked up about Islamists who want to
finish the Holocaust *now*, as you do over people over half a century
ago who started it who weren't Christians, but you want to imply were.

The Islamics want to kill off all the Poles, Slavs, and Gypsies, also?

I didn't know that.
If it weren't for Israel and the Palestinians, they might not have that
many problems with the Jews, either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_Religion

Aha. Did you actully bother to read the contents, or just assumed by
the title that it must, in some way, support your claims.

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_Religion

Aha. Did you actully bother to read the contents, or just assumed by
the title that it must, in some way, support your claims.

Yes, I did; some excerpts:

"Nazism claimed to adhere to Positive Christianity, which many
Christians and Germans accepted.[1] Even in the later years of the Third
Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in
believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian
precepts.[1]"

"Yet Lutherans voted for Hitler more than Catholics.

Different German
states possessed regional social variations as to class densities and
religious denomination;[2]

Richard Steigmann-Gall alleges a linkage
between several Protestant churches and Nazism,[3] the main aspect being
Hitler's citing anti-Semitic pamphlets by Martin Luther and accusations
that the Lutheran establishment supported Hitler."

"Tangential to the more extreme of collaborationist accusations is the
characterisation that Nazism actively based itself on a similar
pontifical structure and corps of functionaries. For example the special
clothing, ghettoization, and badges demanded of Jews were once common or
even began in the Papal States. Also that the Nazis saw themselves as an
effective replacement of Catholicism that would co-opt its unity and
respect for hierarchy. Hence attempts were made to unite other
religions, as in the earlier example of the Protestant Reich Church."

Here's Positive Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
They weren't so much pagans, as a radical type of protestants who
wanted to mold and modify Christianity to their own ends.
In this respect they aren't that different from Mormons, who also have
some beliefs that are highly mystical and way off the norm of
traditional Christianity, or Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church.
Step one was to figure out some way to turn Jesus from a heretical
Jewish Rabbi into a Anti-Jewish Aryan freedom fighter hero.
Those blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesus paintings couldn't have hurt in that
regard: http://42.bloguje.sk/img/jesus_blond3.jpg
Even nowadays, American Neo-Nazi's have prominently used Christian
symbolism in their flags: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us%7Dnaz.html

On Sun, 20 May 2007 02:24:23 GMT, in a place far, far away,
mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

In article <134vb1elf1ku9e7@corp.supernews.com>, Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Well, based on the level of his remark above, my expectations weren't
that high to begin with, so the disappointment won't be severe:-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_Religion

Aha. Did you actully bother to read the contents, or just assumed by
the title that it must, in some way, support your claims.

I gave you some reading pointers. Granted, they involve a tad more
effort than just reading a page or two in wiki. So, how about just
reading this page or two. This'll be a beginning.

Well, obviously, even reading a wiki page is beyond Pat, so it was
clearly unreasonable to expect him to read actual long books with big
words in them.

In article <134vb1elf1ku9e7@corp.supernews.com>, Pat Flannery <flanner@daktel.com> writes:

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Well, based on the level of his remark above, my expectations weren't
that high to begin with, so the disappointment won't be severe:-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_Religion

Aha. Did you actully bother to read the contents, or just assumed by
the title that it must, in some way, support your claims.

I gave you some reading pointers. Granted, they involve a tad more
effort than just reading a page or two in wiki. So, how about just
reading this page or two. This'll be a beginning.