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"D.J." |
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16 Dec 2004 09:54:51 AM |
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classical physics |
can anyone recommend good classical physics books. You know the sort that
has the Lagrange and all those neat little tricks. Thanks.
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
16 Dec 2004 10:31:26 AM |
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D.J. wrote:
can anyone recommend good classical physics books. You know the sort that
has the Lagrange and all those neat little tricks. Thanks.
Goldstein's book on classical mechanics. It has Langrangian and
Hamiltonian mechanics galore.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "D.J." |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
16 Dec 2004 10:05:38 PM |
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Thanks, I'll give that a try.
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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D.J. wrote:
can anyone recommend good classical physics books. You know the sort
that
has the Lagrange and all those neat little tricks. Thanks.
Goldstein's book on classical mechanics. It has Langrangian and
Hamiltonian mechanics galore.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
17 Dec 2004 10:04:17 AM |
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In article <5Xswd.1005$cN2.365@fe08.lga>, D.J. <sabersaver@netzero.net> wrote:
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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D.J. wrote:
can anyone recommend good classical physics books. You know the sort
that
has the Lagrange and all those neat little tricks. Thanks.
Goldstein's book on classical mechanics. It has Langrangian and
Hamiltonian mechanics galore.
Bob Kolker
Goldstein is a classic of the field, and much of what he offers won't be
appreciated until the student returns to it with the perspective of a
matured understanding of quantum mechanics and the applications of
classical mechanics. It's a book you can keep coming back to for fresh
insights.
--
"Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler."
-- Albert Einstein
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| User: "richard miller" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
17 Dec 2004 10:23:06 AM |
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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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In article <5Xswd.1005$cN2.365@fe08.lga>, D.J. <sabersaver@netzero.net>
wrote:
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:32drl8F3lhjidU1@individual.net...
D.J. wrote:
can anyone recommend good classical physics books. You know the sort
that
has the Lagrange and all those neat little tricks. Thanks.
Goldstein's book on classical mechanics. It has Langrangian and
Hamiltonian mechanics galore.
Bob Kolker
Goldstein is a classic of the field, and much of what he offers won't be
appreciated until the student returns to it with the perspective of a
matured understanding of quantum mechanics and the applications of
classical mechanics. It's a book you can keep coming back to for fresh
insights.
--
"Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler."
-- Albert Einstein
Well, in danger of parroting 2 replies, I never found one better, by far my
most read book. That said, I did have one small pocket-book to complement
it. 'Classical Mechanics' by J.W.Leech (ISBN 0 412 20070 8) is a jacket
pocket sized, condensed version of Goldstein. Although never a substitute,
it covers most of the same topics in a terse fashion, but if you are
familiar with Goldstein, you will probably get some extra mileage from this
little nugget. Its a good supplement and you can carry it around easily -
great for parties, esp. Xmas time....
Richard Miller
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
17 Dec 2004 10:48:31 AM |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
Goldstein is a classic of the field, and much of what he offers won't be
appreciated until the student returns to it with the perspective of a
matured understanding of quantum mechanics and the applications of
classical mechanics. It's a book you can keep coming back to for fresh
insights.
Absolutely. After I took a course in symplectic manifolds I went back to
Goldstein yet another time. I have the old edition, circa 1950. I like
it more than the new one, price notwithstanding. I would not trade my
good old copy for the new version.
The interesting thing to note is that Mechanics became very
mathematically advanced after the introduction of energy based
functionals and the use of variational principles.
When I took a course in relativity and field theory at Brandeis (as an
auditor, not a regular student) I was amazed out how the theories were
cranked out using Lagrangian functionals. I don't know about you, but I
consider that something close to an Abiding Miracle. I both sit and
stand in awe of the physicist/mathematicians who thought all this up. I
could not have done it in a billion years.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "richard miller" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
17 Dec 2004 11:17:45 AM |
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"robert j. kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
Goldstein is a classic of the field, and much of what he offers won't be
appreciated until the student returns to it with the perspective of a
matured understanding of quantum mechanics and the applications of
classical mechanics. It's a book you can keep coming back to for fresh
insights.
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The interesting thing to note is that Mechanics became very
mathematically advanced after the introduction of energy based
functionals and the use of variational principles.
not arf
snip
consider that something close to an Abiding Miracle. I both sit and
stand in awe of the physicist/mathematicians who thought all this up. I
could not have done it in a billion years.
Bob Kolker
Too true, for me, Hamilton was a true genius and was born 50 years too
early. Then there's Kayley, Poisson, Lagrange et al. I always ask how they
got to the end result. I suspect it was evolutionary. You have to go a long
long way too see the benefits of the Hamiltonian formalisation. Now I think
of it, Jacobi too. Most, well me anyway, would scribble around, think it too
complicated, stop and try something else. I mean, they had Lagrange's
equations, I guess that wasn't enough. The equations were relatively nasty
second order things and some nice maths was coming from Thermodynamics,
before you know it, we have transformation theory. Geniuses the lot of them.
Great reading though.
sigh
Richard Miller
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| User: "Jon Bell" |
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| Title: Re: classical physics |
16 Dec 2004 11:44:29 AM |
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In article <Wdiwd.929$%15.430@fe08.lga>, D.J. <sabersaver@netzero.net> wrote:
can anyone recommend good classical physics books.
See my posting in sci.physics.particle, where you also posted this
question. I see you know how to crosspost... why didn't you crosspost
there while you were at it? Then nobody would have to see your question
more than once.
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Jon Bell <jtbellm4h@presby.edu> Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
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