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"Harry" |
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20 Aug 2006 04:07:11 PM |
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Coal Bin Door Question |
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
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| User: "cnctut" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
20 Aug 2006 05:01:11 PM |
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Harry wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Harry,
When I was growing up, we just had a 3 sided box with the open end
facing the heating unit. Is the door just for looks?
Tut
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
20 Aug 2006 08:05:57 PM |
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"cnctut" <cnctutwiler@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
news:1156111271.408368.161860@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry wrote:
?Hello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Harry,
When I was growing up, we just had a 3 sided box with the open end
facing the heating unit. Is the door just for looks?
Tut
Yeah, you have to wonder if the guy has a clue, coal doesn't behave
like water. My grandparents did have a door because the coal shed
was built as part of the house (no basement), and SOMETIMES
the coal fell out and we couldn't close the door without shovelling it
up first, but since it was going into the scuttle it was actually easier
when it did. Mind you, that was some large chunks of Welsh
anthracite, not this "pea" coal. Usually we had to break it up before
it went on the fire.
Androcles.
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| User: "Kent Paul Dolan" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 07:01:24 AM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
Yeah, you have to wonder if the guy has a clue,
That's no "guy". "Harry" is Elaine Slusar, a.k.a.
"Paminifarm", and her decades long Usenet "lack of
clue" is the stuff of legends.
In my grandparents' house, too, the coal bin was
open on one side, and just originally built
sufficiently long to contain a truckload of coal as
a slanted pile.
xanthian.
I wonder if a vertically sliding small door like a
pet door would work, or just an opening that size,
perhaps 30cm on a side, through which a tongue of
coal could flow forth a short distance?
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 08:40:18 AM |
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"Kent Paul Dolan" <xanthian@well.com> wrote in message
news:1156161684.829036.22590@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
| Sorcerer wrote:
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| > Yeah, you have to wonder if the guy has a clue,
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| That's no "guy". "Harry" is Elaine Slusar, a.k.a.
| "Paminifarm", and her decades long Usenet "lack of
| clue" is the stuff of legends.
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| In my grandparents' house, too, the coal bin was
| open on one side, and just originally built
| sufficiently long to contain a truckload of coal as
| a slanted pile.
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| xanthian.
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| I wonder if a vertically sliding small door like a
| pet door would work, or just an opening that size,
| perhaps 30cm on a side, through which a tongue of
| coal could flow forth a short distance?
My father built one, a four sided bunker of brick,
but it wasn't long before the wooden door got soaked
by rain, jammed in the slides and split, discarded as
superfluous. I had the job of climbing into it to move
coal from the back to the opening when stocks were low
because the shovel had to be extended from the opening
to the back and then pick up coal. Not an easy thing to
do with one hand, I can assure you, because there isn't room
for two hands in an opening 2 foot wide, let alone
30cm = 1 foot.
The only room in the house that had heat was the living room,
my bedroom had ice INSIDE the single-glazed steel framed
windows from previous condensation.
Ah, the good old days, taking out ashes first thing in the
morning, screwing up newspapers, cutting kindling,
the sheet of newspaper across the fireplace to "draw"
the fire, getting a draught underneath to rush up the chimney,
the visits from the chimney sweep, the soot everywhere,
hot sparks from the fire landing on the baby's throat (me, I still
bear the scar). I miss them... NOT. But we knew no better back
then, so we were not unhappy.
Wet coal...ugh...
Androcles
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 10:17:21 AM |
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a slide door idiot.
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| User: "Harry" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
20 Aug 2006 06:24:41 PM |
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Hello,
No, the door is to keep the coal from running out all over the basement
floor when bin is first filled. As the weeks and months go by the coal
pressure on the walls of the bin will lesson and so will the height of
the pile of coal. Later after the bin is no longer full-up i will be
able to
walk into the bin and shovel coal out, however that simply means it is
time to fill up the bin again.
Are you sure you read my post before answering?
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cnctut wrote:
Harry wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Harry,
When I was growing up, we just had a 3 sided box with the open end
facing the heating unit. Is the door just for looks?
=20
Tut
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| User: "cnctut" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
20 Aug 2006 11:08:04 PM |
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Harry wrote:
Hello,
No, the door is to keep the coal from running out all over the basement
floor when bin is first filled. As the weeks and months go by the coal
pressure on the walls of the bin will lesson and so will the height of
the pile of coal. Later after the bin is no longer full-up i will be
able to
walk into the bin and shovel coal out, however that simply means it is
time to fill up the bin again.
Are you sure you read my post before answering?
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cnctut wrote:
Harry wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Harry,
When I was growing up, we just had a 3 sided box with the open end
facing the heating unit. Is the door just for looks?
Tut
Harry,
My experience with coal is with the big soccer sized chunks--the pea
coal statement did not register.
How about some reinforced 1 x 8's that will slide down on slots at the
open end that can be removed from the top as the coal is depleted. An
opening at the base of the box would be nice--but how to close it once
opened might be a trick--don't know.=20
Good luck,
Tut
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| User: "Tony" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
20 Aug 2006 06:33:40 PM |
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We had what would look like a dutch door, the upper one when the bin
was full, the lower as the coal level goes down.
The other way I had seen it done was with a kind of shoot (sp) on the
bottom of the door, just high enough to put a transfer container under
it. Open the port, fill the container, close the port. When no more
coal comes out, open the door and use a shovel.
Harry wrote:
Hello,
No, the door is to keep the coal from running out all over the basement
floor when bin is first filled. As the weeks and months go by the coal
pressure on the walls of the bin will lesson and so will the height of
the pile of coal. Later after the bin is no longer full-up i will be
able to
walk into the bin and shovel coal out, however that simply means it is
time to fill up the bin again.
Are you sure you read my post before answering?
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cnctut wrote:
Harry wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Harry,
When I was growing up, we just had a 3 sided box with the open end
facing the heating unit. Is the door just for looks?
=20
Tut
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| User: "Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 09:44:53 AM |
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Harry wrote:
=EF=BB=BFHello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
perhaps look at pet food dispensers, they have some kind of door/slot
that holds most of the food in but lets it empty when the "dish" is
empty.
Mark
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 10:12:43 AM |
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Harry wrote:
Hello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
The simplest way I seen used is a double slat type door,
The inner slats of 1x8 board 4ft long are remoable
for holding varying coal levels.
And the outer door is just a normal door for a draft barrier.
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 04:45:22 PM |
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Harry wrote:
Hello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Two options:
(1) scale up a pet food dispenser
http://images.google.com/images?&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi&q=pet%20food%20dispenser
(2) scale down a grain hopper
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grain+hopper&btnG=Search
Third option: have somebody else do it
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=coal+hopper&btnG=Search
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "John C. Polasek" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
21 Aug 2006 07:36:00 PM |
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On 21 Aug 2006 14:45:22 -0700, "tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil>
wrote:
Harry wrote:
Hello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Two options:
(1) scale up a pet food dispenser
http://images.google.com/images?&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi&q=pet%20food%20dispenser
(2) scale down a grain hopper
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grain+hopper&btnG=Search
Third option: have somebody else do it
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=coal+hopper&btnG=Search
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
We had a coal bin. I recall that it had a channel made of lumber on
each side of the full door. Slats of 1x6 lumber were dropped into
place. I think the bottom board was missing. Coal does not flow like
water. It will hang there. But nut/pea coal might be something else.
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
22 Aug 2006 03:34:40 AM |
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John C. Polasek wrote:
<snip repost>
We had a coal bin. I recall that it had a channel made of lumber on
each side of the full door. Slats of 1x6 lumber were dropped into
place. I think the bottom board was missing. Coal does not flow like
water. It will hang there. But nut/pea coal might be something else.
The trick is getting the proper ratio of diameters between the
particles and the orifice.
Think "hourglass."
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "John C. Polasek" |
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| Title: Re: Coal Bin Door Question |
22 Aug 2006 10:42:16 AM |
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On 21 Aug 2006 14:45:22 -0700, "tadchem" <thomas.davidson@dla.mil>
wrote:
Harry wrote:
Hello,
How do you build a door for your basement, coal bin to
shovel out the coal for the stove hopper?
If you build a regular door all the coal will come rushing out
when you open the door. The coal bin is 4' X 8' by 4' high,
and can hold about 3 ton of nut/pea coal?
Two options:
(1) scale up a pet food dispenser
http://images.google.com/images?&num=100&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi&q=pet%20food%20dispenser
(2) scale down a grain hopper
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=grain+hopper&btnG=Search
Third option: have somebody else do it
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&as_qdr=all&q=coal+hopper&btnG=Search
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
We had a coal bin. I recall that it had channels made of lumber on
each side of the full door. Slats of 1x6 lumber were dropped into the
channel. I think the bottom board was missing. Coal does not flow like
water. It will hang there. But nut/pea coal might be something else.
(This is a resubmission; the first one appears to have been lost).
John Polasek
http://www.dualspace.net
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