Science > Physics > Complex Multiplication Does Not Preserve Causation 2: Electromagnetics Are Not Causal
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17 Dec 2005 10:10:39 AM |
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Complex Multiplication Does Not Preserve Causation 2: Electromagnetics Are Not Causal |
From Osher Doctorow
The most "obvious" counterexample to my claim that complex
multiplication does not preserve causation would seem to be, on first
glance, electricity, magnetism, and electromagnetism, which I'll
abbreviate as "electromagnetics". In fact, in many of my previous
threads, I made the usual intuitive assumption of physicists that
matter and radiation are causal or probable causal.
When we examine how electrical and electronic devices operate, however,
we begin to notice that it is their geometric or topological or
combinatoric configurations that are responsible for achieving their
main effects, and I would generalize these (probable) causes to sets
and measures and probability.
It is so "obvious" that the previous paragraph is correct that I won't
bother arguing it further here, but instead try to explain what this
means for physics and engineering and philosophy.
In my opinion, physics and engineering are literally "dead" fields with
this new picture, as is Materialism in general. Since the power
structure will take considerable time to collapse arguably, I would
guess that if earth survives in a few thousand years, future "science"
will be replaced by mathematics, especially geometry, topology,
combinatorics, set theory, measure theory, probability theory. And
engineering will eventually go the same way.
For philosophy, Plato/Socrates (Socrates is only known to us through
the writings of his student Plato) were right in that, to use modern
terminology, Nonmaterialism rather than Materialism is the key or
fundamental part of the Universe. But Sir Roger Penrose, perhaps the
only advocate left of Plato in practice although as I recall he more
recently denies it overtly, is also wrong in his twistor program of
attempting to construct geometry and so on from matter.
Could it not be argued that electrical or optical or electro-optical
networks, once constructed, do in practice become at least
"secondarily" causal? Aristotle was into primary and secondary causes
and so on, but I suspect that the whole machinery does more harm than
good for Knowledge, along with the whole idea of non-intercommunicating
phases via complex numbers or quaternions or octonions and Kaluza-Klein
type extra dimensions that just happen to be inaccessible to us.
And black holes? Doesn't "overmassive" matter cause gravitational
collapse? Since matter doesn't seem to cause anything, its "excess"
shouldn't cause anything. If black holes exist, and presumably they
do, then they are caused by geometry-topology arguably.
Osher Doctorow
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17 Dec 2005 10:28:38 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
It seems "obvious" that even if geometry and topology are primary, they
"operate" on radiation and matter to achieve their "effects". Isn't
there a place for radiation and matter in Knowledge/research because of
this?
The above question is somewhat like asking whether there is a place for
the study of "dead languages" in understanding psychology. It is
mostly relegated to psycholinguistics and even there to a very special
branch. We are somewhat unfortunate as "living observers" in that we
can see the "dead bricks" of a construction project, the "statistically
independent and uncausal parts", and not the (probable) causes. And
this is the ultimate Achilles Heel of the scientific and engineering
methods and applied statistics which imitates them.
Yes, the Nonmaterial Universe arguably "uses" radiation and matter as
"inert" building blocks or bricks. But if you recall, physics and
engineering have enormously tended to ignore (probable) causation in
favor of the "building blocks". This needs to be completely reversed.
It is time to regard the "undefined primitives" of science and
engineering which are matter and radiation as irrelevant and the
geometry, topology, sets, measures, probability, combinatorics are the
subject matter of Knowledge/research. To take an analogy from
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, we don't even know whether what looks
to us like matter and radiation is only the tip of an iceberg and the
least interesting part, but we can make an educated guess.
Osher Doctorow
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