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21 Apr 2007 07:03:06 PM |
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Compressing plants to produce fuel |
Mother nature produces oil by compressing plant material .
She - and its a she as she is so temperamental - doesnt try to produce
alcohol first.
So why dont we do the same ? Put all waste plant material in a
compactor. We know we can produce diamonds compressing coal but
diamonds are useless as fuel , so we dont need such high pressures.
We could use wind energy to produce the electricity to
compress the plant material so that the farmer can draw off the oil in
the mornings.
Britain has now decreed that all houses built after 2012 ie five years
from now must be zero emission ie zero energy use overall. This is
going to lead to a boom in solar panels , wind mills etc.
Third world countries like India should also mandate that all
new houses must be insulated so they dont let the heat in , and must
have solar water heating.
Jim is always going on about the height of the water fall
which determines power output. So why do we bother with 100ft dams
when the rain water falls 5000 ft or more?
Ghost can tell us how much energy could be extracted from a sq
km piezo electric sheet lying on the ground when there is heavy rain.
It could be lifted by helicopter to wherever the rain is..
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25 Apr 2007 07:04:44 PM |
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Talking about pool heating , there are Chinese water heaters
for the pool now available.Ghost can maybe tell us how much it would
cost to heat a 20m by 6m by 3m pool.
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25 Apr 2007 07:25:04 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Talking about pool heating , there are Chinese water heaters
for the pool now available.Ghost can maybe tell us how much it would
cost to heat a 20m by 6m by 3m pool.
Why don't you go to a pool store and ask the clerk?
Pool heaters have been available for about a century.
Idiot.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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25 Apr 2007 10:13:01 PM |
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In sci.physics, habshi
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on Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:04:44 GMT
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Talking about pool heating , there are Chinese water heaters
for the pool now available.Ghost can maybe tell us how much it would
cost to heat a 20m by 6m by 3m pool.
There's a lot of factors going into pool heating, evaporation, water
temperature, and ground temperature being three of them.
Since you've given me no information apart from the amount of water
(which is of course about 180 m^3 or 180 metric tonnes), I can't
give a solution here. I'd probably just follow Jim's suggestion anyway.
:-)
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| User: "habshi" |
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| Title: Re: Compressing plants to produce fuel |
27 Apr 2007 07:39:13 PM |
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OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
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27 Apr 2007 09:15:02 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Why don't you go down to the pool store and ask the clerk what it costs
to run their pool heaters?
Idiot.
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| User: "M. Ranjit Mathews" |
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27 Apr 2007 11:06:13 PM |
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On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Why don't you go down to the pool store and ask the clerk what it costs
to run their pool heaters?
That would tell us only the cost of replacing heat lost to the
environment. They're unlikely to measure how much of their electric
bill came from starting up the pool heater.
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27 Apr 2007 11:45:01 PM |
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In sci.physics M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Most pool heaters are gas.
Why don't you go down to the pool store and ask the clerk what it costs
to run their pool heaters?
That would tell us only the cost of replacing heat lost to the
environment. They're unlikely to measure how much of their electric
bill came from starting up the pool heater.
What you will get from the guy at the pool store is what your
average cost per month will be to keep a pool at a given size
at a given temperature.
What it costs to turn it on is an idiotic question.
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28 Apr 2007 11:42:35 AM |
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In sci.physics,
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In sci.physics M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Most pool heaters are gas.
Makes little difference AFAIK. Of course the units are slightly
different. :-)
Why don't you go down to the pool store and ask the clerk what it costs
to run their pool heaters?
That would tell us only the cost of replacing heat lost to the
environment. They're unlikely to measure how much of their electric
bill came from starting up the pool heater.
What you will get from the guy at the pool store is what your
average cost per month will be to keep a pool at a given size
at a given temperature.
What it costs to turn it on is an idiotic question.
Indeed.
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28 Apr 2007 03:38:45 PM |
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In article <r4acg4-8st.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net>, The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> writes:
In sci.physics,
<>
wrote
on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:45:01 GMT
<o10bg4-7lf.ln1@mail.specsol.com>:
In sci.physics M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Most pool heaters are gas.
Makes little difference AFAIK. Of course the units are slightly
different. :-)
Can make quite a difference, in fact. From the point of view of
efficiency, using electricity for heating is a waste. What you end up
doing is burning fuel to generate heat, using the heat to generate
steam (with some losses), then using the steam to generate electrical
power (with big losses), then convey this power over wires to wherever
it is needed (with additional losses) and then convert this power back
to heat. Not a model of efficiency.
Why don't you go down to the pool store and ask the clerk what it costs
to run their pool heaters?
That would tell us only the cost of replacing heat lost to the
environment. They're unlikely to measure how much of their electric
bill came from starting up the pool heater.
What you will get from the guy at the pool store is what your
average cost per month will be to keep a pool at a given size
at a given temperature.
What it costs to turn it on is an idiotic question.
Indeed.
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28 Apr 2007 12:15:02 PM |
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In sci.physics The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics,
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on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:45:01 GMT
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In sci.physics M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Most pool heaters are gas.
Makes little difference AFAIK. Of course the units are slightly
different. :-)
In most places it makes a big difference in the $/BTU.
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28 Apr 2007 01:12:45 PM |
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In sci.physics,
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In sci.physics The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
In sci.physics,
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on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 04:45:01 GMT
<o10bg4-7lf.ln1@mail.specsol.com>:
In sci.physics M. Ranjit Mathews <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 27, 9:15 pm, wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <hab...@anony.com> wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
$350 at 15 cents per kwh.
Most pool heaters are gas.
Makes little difference AFAIK. Of course the units are slightly
different. :-)
In most places it makes a big difference in the $/BTU.
Interesting; I'll have to research this. There are various
complexities:
[1] $/thermal BTU.
[2] Carnot heat pump.
[3] Conversion of gas to electrical (or coal to electrical).
Not that habshi would understand most of this. :-)
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28 Apr 2007 09:15:51 AM |
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habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Work it out, moron. Specific heat times mass times temp change. What
does two billion calories cost in Big Macs, jackass?
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/21111.html
540 Calories/US Big Mac
3700 Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of water 10
C, imbecile.
http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml
$3.10/US Big Mac
$11,480 in Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of
water 10 C. RENEWABLE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES FOR FUEL!
Idiot.
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28 Apr 2007 11:46:37 AM |
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In sci.physics, Uncle Al
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wrote
on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:15:51 -0700
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habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Work it out, moron. Specific heat times mass times temp change. What
does two billion calories cost in Big Macs, jackass?
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/21111.html
540 Calories/US Big Mac
3700 Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of water 10
C, imbecile.
http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml
$3.10/US Big Mac
$11,480 in Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of
water 10 C. RENEWABLE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES FOR FUEL!
Idiot.
A novel set of units. Of course to do it properly one
must also compute the input to said Macs, which would
include wheat, sesame (Sesamum indicum), and feed corn,
plus whatever's in that "special sauce". :-)
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28 Apr 2007 03:44:59 PM |
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics, Uncle Al
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wrote
on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:15:51 -0700
<46335717.96EB8CA0@hate.spam.net>:
habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Work it out, moron. Specific heat times mass times temp change. What
does two billion calories cost in Big Macs, jackass?
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/21111.html
540 Calories/US Big Mac
3700 Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of water 10
C, imbecile.
http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml
$3.10/US Big Mac
$11,480 in Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of
water 10 C. RENEWABLE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES FOR FUEL!
Idiot.
A novel set of units. Of course to do it properly one
must also compute the input to said Macs, which would
include wheat, sesame (Sesamum indicum), and feed corn,
plus whatever's in that "special sauce". :-)
Indeed. The manifest material inefficiency and prodigious energy
appetite of modern agriculture plus massive Federal subsidies and
lavish use of pesticides and herbicides renders the real cost
significantly greater.
The Liberal cant is to burn American food for fuel and import foreign
commestibles for the table. Then we can be grievously dependent upon
foreign food growers *and* grieveously dependent upon foreign
petroleum producers. One can hardly wait for those block-long lines
outside supermarkets.
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01 May 2007 11:44:10 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics, Uncle Al
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wrote
on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:15:51 -0700
<46335717.96EB8CA0@hate.spam.net>:
habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Work it out, moron. Specific heat times mass times temp change. What
does two billion calories cost in Big Macs, jackass?
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/21111.html
540 Calories/US Big Mac
3700 Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of water 10
C, imbecile.
http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml
$3.10/US Big Mac
$11,480 in Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of
water 10 C. RENEWABLE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES FOR FUEL!
Idiot.
A novel set of units. Of course to do it properly one
must also compute the input to said Macs, which would
include wheat, sesame (Sesamum indicum), and feed corn,
plus whatever's in that "special sauce". :-)
Indeed. The manifest material inefficiency and prodigious energy
appetite of modern agriculture plus massive Federal subsidies and
lavish use of pesticides and herbicides renders the real cost
significantly greater.
The Liberal cant is to burn American food for fuel and import foreign
commestibles for the table. Then we can be grievously dependent upon
foreign food growers *and* grieveously dependent upon foreign
petroleum producers. One can hardly wait for those block-long lines
outside supermarkets.
hillary can fix that in 08. you know who to vote for now.
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01 May 2007 11:53:07 AM |
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harmony wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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The Liberal cant is to burn American food for fuel and import foreign
commestibles for the table. Then we can be grievously dependent upon
foreign food growers *and* grieveously dependent upon foreign
petroleum producers. One can hardly wait for those block-long lines
outside supermarkets.
hillary can fix that in 08. you know who to vote for now.
What you mean Hillary can fix that? If I thought that she has intention
and will to stop alcohol for fuel program, I would thought better about
her. But I never heard anything like that and I don't believe this.
I strongly believe that Hillary would be worse than Bush (or potential
Republican candidates) in energy policy.
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28 Apr 2007 06:36:30 PM |
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In sci.physics, Uncle Al
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<4633B24B.86E7F02B@hate.spam.net>:
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
In sci.physics, Uncle Al
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wrote
on Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:15:51 -0700
<46335717.96EB8CA0@hate.spam.net>:
habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Work it out, moron. Specific heat times mass times temp change. What
does two billion calories cost in Big Macs, jackass?
http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/21111.html
540 Calories/US Big Mac
3700 Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of water 10
C, imbecile.
http://www.oanda.com/products/bigmac/bigmac.shtml
$3.10/US Big Mac
$11,480 in Big Macs burned at 100% efficiency to heat 200 tonnes of
water 10 C. RENEWABLE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES FOR FUEL!
Idiot.
A novel set of units. Of course to do it properly one
must also compute the input to said Macs, which would
include wheat, sesame (Sesamum indicum), and feed corn,
plus whatever's in that "special sauce". :-)
Indeed. The manifest material inefficiency and prodigious energy
appetite of modern agriculture plus massive Federal subsidies and
lavish use of pesticides and herbicides renders the real cost
significantly greater.
The Liberal cant is to burn American food for fuel and import foreign
commestibles for the table. Then we can be grievously dependent upon
foreign food growers *and* grieveously dependent upon foreign
petroleum producers. One can hardly wait for those block-long lines
outside supermarkets.
We'll just borrow the Russians; they've had to deal with that sort of
thing routinely. :-)
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27 Apr 2007 10:39:36 PM |
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habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming.
Can't you do the simple sums yourself ?
Graham
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27 Apr 2007 10:39:03 PM |
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habshi wrote:
OK Ghost how much will it cost to raise say 200metric tonnes of water
by say 10 C to make it warm enough for swimming. If its hundreds of
dollars then forget it , but if its $20 then it may be doable
Around $200 at 10c / kWh
Graham
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23 Apr 2007 04:37:42 PM |
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Why do we need to keep reinventing the wheel every time?
How does mother nature turn plants into oil ? Its not biological as we
dont find microbes in oil and anyway they would use up the energy.
So it must be just pressure.
I have always wondered. We make yoghurt by providing the
culture, otherwise we would have to take weeks , similarly in maturing
cheese.
So why dont we produce a culture to speed up plant composting?
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23 Apr 2007 05:35:03 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Why do we need to keep reinventing the wheel every time?
"We" don't; you do.
However it is a square wheel.
<snip utter nonsense>
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23 Apr 2007 04:53:28 PM |
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habshi wrote:
Why do we need to keep reinventing the wheel every time?
'We' don't. You keep posting the same retarded stuff year after year.
What kind of complex do you have? My guess, the one of a troll...
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25 Apr 2007 07:01:29 PM |
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Why should solar cells last only ten years? Why not have
renewable glass covers protecting the delicate silicon. If we could
make them last 200 years or more , we could use our oil reserves to
create millions of megawatts of solar cells to make the oil last 200
or more years instead of 30 , so providing for future generations.
On the other hand as Groucho said , why should we care about
future generations , what have they ever done for us?
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Australia's drought, the worst in hundreds of years, prompted Prime
Minister John Howard to warn last week that irrigation might be turned
off in the food bowl Murray-Darling River basin that accounts for 41
percent of the nation's agriculture.
It may also force the country to shut down its Snowy Hydro power
scheme, which would force generators to crank output from coal-burning
power plants, which provide most of its electricity.
At the same time, international coal prices are also now heading
towards historic highs, and many miners are expanding production to
meet surging global demand from new power plants in countries like
China, India and Vietnam. Continued...
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25 Apr 2007 07:25:03 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Why should solar cells last only ten years?
<snip crap>
Why "should" they last any longer than that?
Babbling idiot.
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"habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
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Britain has now decreed that all houses built after 2012 ie five years
from now must be zero emission ie zero energy use overall. This is
going to lead to a boom in solar panels , wind mills etc.
I doubt that will be achieved. Small windmills of the type you can fix to a
house in the UK don't produce anything like enough power. I'm not sure solar
panels are efficient enough yet and there is another problem....In the UK we
are building more and more three story houses to get the foot print down due
to land shortages - Do these three story houses have enough roof space for
solar?
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22 Apr 2007 10:55:03 AM |
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.com> wrote:
"habshi" <habshi@anony.com> wrote in message
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Britain has now decreed that all houses built after 2012 ie five years
from now must be zero emission ie zero energy use overall. This is
going to lead to a boom in solar panels , wind mills etc.
I doubt that will be achieved. Small windmills of the type you can fix to a
house in the UK don't produce anything like enough power. I'm not sure solar
panels are efficient enough yet and there is another problem....In the UK we
are building more and more three story houses to get the foot print down due
to land shortages - Do these three story houses have enough roof space for
solar?
And what is the average incident power/m^2 on a fixed, flat plate
mounted a latitude in the UK?
With enough batteries (and money) you can make such a scheme work in
Arizona, but the UK?
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22 Apr 2007 01:03:18 PM |
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I have been working on carbon free generator which generates
electricity without emission of Carbon dioxide and can solve the
problem of global warming & CO2 emission.
The generator can be applied to run electric car and power plants
I am confident the generator will work and how I developed the
generator model idea are documented.
I am seeking help to validate & develop a working prototype
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22 Apr 2007 06:03:39 PM |
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<okidip@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177264998.468844.217260@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I have been working on carbon free generator which generates
electricity without emission of Carbon dioxide and can solve the
problem of global warming & CO2 emission.
The generator can be applied to run electric car and power plants
I am confident the generator will work and how I developed the
generator model idea are documented.
I am seeking help to validate & develop a working prototype
Been done already...
http://www.steorn.com/
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| User: "Androcles" |
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22 Apr 2007 01:29:39 PM |
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<okidip@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1177264998.468844.217260@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
I have been working on carbon free generator which generates
electricity without emission of Carbon dioxide and can solve the
problem of global warming=20
Oh really? You can change the precession of the Earth, can you?=20
http://www.roperld.com/graphics/LIAInsolation.jpg
How come there was no solution 130,000 years ago?
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22 Apr 2007 03:41:42 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:03:18 -0700, okidip wrote:
I have been working on carbon free generator which generates electricity
without emission of Carbon dioxide and can solve the problem of global
warming & CO2 emission. The generator can be applied to run electric car
and power plants I am confident the generator will work and how I
developed the generator model idea are documented.
I am seeking help to validate & develop a working prototype
Contact habshi. He'll believe anything.
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| User: "" |
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21 Apr 2007 08:35:02 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Mother nature produces oil by compressing plant material .
No "she" doesn't.
Just pressing stuff may extract existing oil; it doesn't make oil.
She - and its a she as she is so temperamental - doesnt try to produce
alcohol first.
Yes "she" does.
You've never seen animals drunk from eating fermented fruit, have you?
So why dont we do the same ?
You mean get the animals drunk?
Put all waste plant material in a
compactor.
Been done for years.
Ever heard of a trash compactor?
You don't get oil out unless you put oily stuff in.
We know we can produce diamonds compressing coal but
diamonds are useless as fuel , so we dont need such high pressures.
Diamonds would make just fine fuel, though a bit expensive to use.
We could use wind energy to produce the electricity to
compress the plant material so that the farmer can draw off the oil in
the mornings.
Utter, babbling, nonsense unless "the farmer" puts in olives and draws
off olive oil.
Britain has now decreed that all houses built after 2012 ie five years
from now must be zero emission ie zero energy use overall. This is
going to lead to a boom in solar panels , wind mills etc.
Or maybe this is going to lead to the end of house building in Britain.
Third world countries like India should also mandate that all
new houses must be insulated so they dont let the heat in , and must
have solar water heating.
Isn't that going to make it a bit hard to breathe? Doesn't matter, I
guess, there are lots of Indians.
Jim is always going on about the height of the water fall
which determines power output. So why do we bother with 100ft dams
when the rain water falls 5000 ft or more?
Does the phrase "terminal velocity" mean anything to you, moron?
Ghost can tell us how much energy could be extracted from a sq
km piezo electric sheet lying on the ground when there is heavy rain.
It could be lifted by helicopter to wherever the rain is..
Just about anybody that knows anything about piezo devices can tell
you that; zip point diddly squat.
Nice to see you haven't changed and are still an ignorant, babbling,
idiot.
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Jim Pennino
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21 Apr 2007 10:14:30 PM |
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habshi wrote:
Ghost can tell us how much energy could be extracted from a sq
km piezo electric sheet lying on the ground when there is heavy rain.
It could be lifted by helicopter to wherever the rain is..
One of the funniest energy sources I have ever read about.
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