Science > Physics > Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT"
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Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
Begin forwarded message:
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net>
Date: September 12, 2005 11:27:48 AM PDT
To: Dan Smith <dantsmith@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Confused ideas of "IT FROM BIT"
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On Sep 12, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
"Roger,
I am much taken with your Lucerne document. Could you also give us the
URL? We need a continuing discussion on that, perhaps including some of
those present. As to what you say below, I don’t see an admission for
what may be beyond space and time. Can we not suppose that our world
exists in a primordial matrix, linked with other worlds and other
intelligences, beyond the realm of standard or evolutionary causality?
Such may be the abodes of our ultra-terrestrials. I’m not sure then
what it is you strive below to disallow."
Define "beyond".
It can mean extra space dimensions, which are still IT
Or it can mean the BIT information field.
Or both."
Dan, your language is too imprecise for any physicist. No go.
"Other issues come to mind."
Subject: AW: Re: Confused ideas of the "multiverse"
On Sep 11, 2005, at 1:53 PM, caryn anscomb / Jack Sarfatti wrote:
....snip...
JS: "Nothing" means nothing in physics today. There is ALWAYS
"something" though that something is either real or virtual. Even when
virtual it has a direct effect on bending spacetime. Virtual dark energy
is like a concave lens with a virtual image for a collimated input.
Virtual dark matter, like real matter, is like a convergent lens with a
real image for all the extremal geodesics (constructive interference of
histories) inside or on the local light cones.
"CA:IT must arise from BIT in the first instance – which in itself is a
paradox, what begot BIT to give rise to IT? The metaphysical copout
being BIT (which in itself is coherent consciousness/God consciousness)
is eternal, there’s no need for BIT-IT fusion."
Wrong, "IT-BIT fusion" means macroscopic eigenvalue of the relevant
quantum density matrix e.g. Bose-Einstein condensation. This defined
in detail by P.W. Anderson in several papers in "A Career in Theoretical
Physics" it is the essence of post-quantum physics in the mesoscopic ->
macroscopic regimes.
No, this is not a paradox at all using the real language of mathematics.
You simply cannot understand physics theories using plain English. That
is what is wrong with Dan's simplistic lame-brained analysis in the
perception of any real physicist. That is the problem with the pop
books. There are precise equations for the slogan
"IT FROM BIT"
most precise in the Bohm "pilot wave" theory where in the simplest problem
v = (h/m)Grad(argPsi)
MEANS
IT FROM BIT
No mysteries here. The mystery is simply from using an inadequate
language that does not fit the complexity of the problem. I could
actually say it in English with a lot of words that still would not
capture it completely.
The IT "hidden variable" "particle" with Newtonian instant velocity v
gets its marching orders from the BIT pilot wave Psi whose phase is
argPsi and whose amplitude is |Psi|.
The IT here is a "test particle" without any direct back-reaction on the
BIT Psi. Hence NO BIT FROM IT in this approximation of "sub-quantal
equilibrium" (A. Valentini)
Similarly to derive Einstein's 1915 GR in ONE LINE
B = (hG/c^3)^1/2d(argVacuum ODLRO)
B is non-trivial curved part of the Einstein-Cartan 1-form connection
for the local gauging of T4 to Diff(4).
B = 0 is unstable pre-inflation false vacuum without any gravity and
inertia at all.
Vacuum ODLRO is the spontaneous breaking of SU(2)hypercharge of the
standard model with Yukawa couplingwith the NEUTRAL VEV local order
parameter. This is why space-time physics is LOCAL and why the Arrow of
Time points the same way as the expansion of the 3D space of our local
Hubble universe. Pioneer anomaly a_g = - cH(t) shows hedgehog defect in
Vacuum ODLRO field centered at Sun (and maybe ALL stars?) consistent
with SU(2).
The inertial masses of leptons and quarks are ~ |Vacuum ODLRO| and we do
not need to excite a real Higgs particle for this to happen.
"Problems with Apokatastasis: The Gnostic concept of Apokatastasis."
JS: We need it like a hole in the head. Those Gnostics got off on
cutting off their own balls as I recall?
RU: "The concept of Apokatastasis is far older than Gnostic approaches
and lead back to the older Egyptian idea to synchronize the
"mythological" and the "real" cosmos (the so-called Calendar of Thoth),
saying in postmodern terms: the virtual and the real cosmos. I attached
my essay "Open Codification" where I developed some arguments relating
apoktastasis and its consequences.
It is - in my opinion - a false and dangerous idea to suspect the IT to
emerge from BIT as a primordial operation, see "Masses and Muses". To me
any god is a result of evolution and not given a priori, even if we
could say that there is a potential for gods.But actually there is none
in the beginning. I know very well that in the Augustinian tradition -
valid in Lutherian Christianity as well - any created thing or being has
no value per se. This is: God must be then thought as primordial to be
real. As a consequence all "real" loses its self-meaning, life - itself
disfunctional - is not holy any longer, and locking up, torture,
murder, war etc, arise...
....snip...
Spirit,
Roger"
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| User: "Victor Eijkhout" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
12 Sep 2005 05:36:36 PM |
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Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote:
From: Jack Sarfatti <sarfatti@pacbell.net>
Date: September 12, 2005 11:27:48 AM PDT
To: Dan Smith <dantsmith@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Confused ideas of "IT FROM BIT"
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On Sep 12, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Dan Smith wrote:
"Roger,
Who are these people? The voices in your head? Why are you posting email
conversations?
Victor.
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email: lastname at cs utk edu
homepage: www cs utk edu tilde lastname
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| User: "odin" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
12 Sep 2005 06:08:40 PM |
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Who are these people? The voices in your head? Why are you posting email
conversations?
Best to just let Jack be. He is doing no harm. Most people ignore him. In my
opinion, he is by far the most intelligent lunatic I have ever come across.
I enjoy just copying and pasting from his posts into google or wikipedia. He
makes no sense, but what he says is very interesting! He might have been a
bit more coherent at some earlier point of his life. Or perhaps he is just
an AI bot.
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| User: "Richard Schultz" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
13 Sep 2005 07:20:14 AM |
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In sci.physics.particle odin <ragnarok@yahoo.com> wrote:
: Best to just let Jack be. He is doing no harm. Most people ignore him. In my
: opinion, he is by far the most intelligent lunatic I have ever come across.
He even has a Ph. D. from a real university -- in physics, believe it
or not.
: I enjoy just copying and pasting from his posts into google or wikipedia. He
: makes no sense, but what he says is very interesting! He might have been a
: bit more coherent at some earlier point of his life. Or perhaps he is just
: an AI bot.
He is very much not an AI bot -- according to an essay by Martin Gardner,
he has patented a device to transmit coded information faster than the
speed of light. I bet your AI bot can't do *that*. In the days when Dr.
Sarfatti used to respond to posts rather than just posting monologues, he
used to regale us with stories of his aunt, who was apparently Mussolini's
mistress (really, not just in Dr. Sarfatti's imagination).
-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
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| User: "Bilge" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
15 Sep 2005 07:40:53 AM |
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Richard Schultz:
He is very much not an AI bot -- according to an essay by Martin Gardner,
he has patented a device to transmit coded information faster than the
speed of light.
Obtaining a patent only only proves someone had $10,000+ dollars
handy to pay a patent attorney for patent research and pay the patent
fees to the patent office. For example:
Other crackpot patents:
6025810 Hyper-light-speed antenna
4370857 Compressed air car
(compresses its own air and extracts ``solar energy'' from from the air)
Plainly ridiculous patents:
6368227 Method of swinging on a swing
(If you swing sideways on your swing, you might need a license)
5830035 Toe puppet
5443036 Method of Exercising a Cat
(Darn - I should have thought to patent this the first time
I used a laser pointer to run a cat around around the room.)
I bet your AI bot can't do *that*.
I bet his can't either.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
15 Sep 2005 07:47:12 AM |
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Richard Schultz wrote:
He is very much not an AI bot -- according to an essay by Martin
Gardner, he has patented a device to transmit coded information
faster than the speed of light.
I'm sure I read somewhere that Sarfatti has, or at some time had,
funding from the US military (or was it the CIA?).
If there really have been top-secret projects to test whether one
can kill an opponent by staring at them and thinking bad things,
I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibility - It makes
sense to try and cover all angles.
(I believe they ran the stare-to-death experiments on goats,
and happily not one died or was made even the slightest bit
unconfortable!)
I bet your AI bot can't do *that*. In the days when Dr.
Sarfatti used to respond to posts rather than just posting
monologues, he used to regale us with stories of his aunt,
who was apparently Mussolini's mistress (really, not just
in Dr. Sarfatti's imagination).
Wasn't Mussolini's mistress caught with him by Italian partisans
and, after both were shot, end up hanged by her heels beside him?
Must have been a bit traumatic for young Jack, if he's old enough
to have been around at the time.
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| User: "Richard Schultz" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
18 Sep 2005 12:23:46 AM |
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In sci.physics.particle wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
:> He is very much not an AI bot -- according to an essay by Martin
:> Gardner, he has patented a device to transmit coded information
:> faster than the speed of light.
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: I'm sure I read somewhere that Sarfatti has, or at some time had,
: funding from the US military (or was it the CIA?).
I reread the essay ("Magic and Paraphysics," in _Science: Good, Bad,
and Bogus_), and Gardner actually only referred to "pending" patents.
A quick search of the PTO website failed to turn up any patents with
Jack Sarfatti's name on them, so maybe the patent application was denied.
:> I bet your AI bot can't do *that*. In the days when Dr.
:> Sarfatti used to respond to posts rather than just posting
:> monologues, he used to regale us with stories of his aunt,
:> who was apparently Mussolini's mistress (really, not just
:> in Dr. Sarfatti's imagination).
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: Wasn't Mussolini's mistress caught with him by Italian partisans
: and, after both were shot, end up hanged by her heels beside him?
: Must have been a bit traumatic for young Jack, if he's old enough
: to have been around at the time.
IIRC, Sarfatti's aunt was one of Mussolini's earlier mistresses (pre-war),
and they had broken up long before the partisans caught up with Mussolini.
Remember, from 1943 on, northern Italy was occupied by the Germans, who
set up a puppet government with Mussolini at its head. It's unlikely that
they would have let him continue consorting with a Jewish mistress.
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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
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| User: "Minus XVII" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
14 Sep 2005 03:08:01 PM |
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transit info FTL?... wht did Gardner have
to say about *that* patent?
--Hemp for Haemarrhoids (Bogart that Poultice, Friend) !!
http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac
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| User: "Richard Schultz" |
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15 Sep 2005 07:04:21 AM |
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In sci.physics.particle Minus XVII <QncyMI@netscape.net> wrote:
: transit info FTL?... wht did Gardner have to say about *that* patent?
He didn't say anything about the patent -- I think that he figured that
there was no need. Back when Sarfatti actually responded to posts, I
asked him about the patent, and he refused to talk about it.
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Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
23 Sep 2005 05:24:30 PM |
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if you were a remote viewer, like Jack,
you wouldn't have to ask!
thusquoth:
asked him about the patent, and he refused to talk about it.
--Trickier *****'s Obnoxico?
http://larouchepub.com/other/2005/3237energy_heist.html
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| User: "Jim Spriggs" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
12 Sep 2005 07:02:17 PM |
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odin wrote:
Who are these people? The voices in your head? Why are you posting email
conversations?
Best to just let Jack be. He is doing no harm. Most people ignore him. In my
opinion, he is by far the most intelligent lunatic I have ever come across.
He seems to be a writer of SF novels. A rather trashy aspect of popular
so-called culture only of interest to immature people.
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I don't know who you are Sir, or where you come from,
but you've done me a power of good.
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| User: "Jeremy Boden" |
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18 Sep 2005 05:29:40 PM |
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In message <4326175D.4B644091@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid>, Jim
Spriggs <jim.sprigs@ANTISPAMbtinternet.com.invalid> writes
odin wrote:
Who are these people? The voices in your head? Why are you posting email
conversations?
Best to just let Jack be. He is doing no harm. Most people ignore him. In my
opinion, he is by far the most intelligent lunatic I have ever come across.
He seems to be a writer of SF novels. A rather trashy aspect of popular
so-called culture only of interest to immature people.
Are they any good? - (I mean the SF novels)?
--
Jeremy Boden
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| User: "Bob Cain" |
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| Title: Re: Confusion on John Archibald Wheeler's "IT FROM BIT" |
14 Sep 2005 06:00:18 PM |
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Jim Spriggs wrote:
odin wrote:
Who are these people? The voices in your head? Why are you posting email
conversations?
Best to just let Jack be. He is doing no harm. Most people ignore him. In my
opinion, he is by far the most intelligent lunatic I have ever come across.
He seems to be a writer of SF novels. A rather trashy aspect of popular
so-called culture only of interest to immature people.
Them's fight'n words.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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