"yuan" <yuan@accessv.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Dubbeld" <miike@erols.com> wrote in message

theory is that miracles are actually not so miraculous because the more
people that participate in them the more power and concentration of
consciousness is directed in that way to operate on Jung's Collective
Unconscious in such a way so as to create them.

As for the group (or collective) consciousness, there is a research
paper by Qigong master Dr. Yan Xin using Qi (chi) in a REG experiment

by in the Subtle Energies & Energy Medicine journal, 8(1), 55-65, 1997

http://www.issseem.org/journal.html

"Anomalous Organization of Random Events During an International

Qigong Meeting: Evidence for Group Consciousness or Accumulated
Qi (chi) Fields?"

Research has documented anomalous organization of random events

generated by an electronic random events generator (REG) during various
group situations that promote group consciousness experiences.
A group situation hypothesized to promote an intense group consciousness
experience was an international Qigong conference.

Over 2500 invited guests, scientists and practitioners from many countries
attended the 1997 International Yan Xin Qigong Practice and Research
Conference in New York City on August 30-September 1. Three days and

two nights of FieldREG data were collected prior to, during, and following

the conference. During the conference, a total of 234,412 trials of 200
samples per second reflecting I's and O's (100 I's would be expected to
occur by chance per second on the average) were collected using a PEAR
computerized FieldREG system and stored for later analysis. When the 3

days and 2 nights were analyzed in terms of trials above versus below 100,
all five segments showed relative increases (p = .023). These patterns
were not observed during the pre and post conference control days and nights.
The data provide tentative support for the hypothesis that an intense
group experience that continues over a three day period may create a

consciousness or Qi field that can be discerned using the Field REG
paradigm.


Where did you get the story - "A fascinating case is of a man that
had baseball size tumors". Is there any url link I can browse ?? Thanks.

Thanks for the web page with the references. Mike Dubbeld

They are all in Holographic Universe. Michael Talbot lists specific
references for hundreds of famous cases. I bought this book mistaking it
for a book on the universe but actually it is just a huge collection of
amazing stories with a weak correlation David Bohm and Karl Pribram for
the Universe and mind as a hologram. Still, it is the best explanation I
have ever seen/I am not sorry I bought or read this book. Now I am
reading Synchronicity by David Peat which is along the same lines but
Peat is a physicist and uses far more coherent mapping of mind and
matter.

Sooo00 funny. I did a search on Holographic Universe and tumor and got
31 hits using Google Advanced Search. Found the article! I pasted it in
below for convenience also. Looks like it was ORANGE size tumors in this
article. I must have picked up baseball size from another one.

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/exc2_placebo.htm
One medical phenomenon that provides us with a tantalizing glimpse of
the control the mind has over the body is the placebo effect. A placebo
is any medical treatment that has no specific action on the body, but is
given either to humor a patient, or as a control in a double-blind
experiment, that is, a study in which one group of individuals is given
a real treatment and another group is given a fake treatment. In such
experiments neither the researchers nor the individuals being tested
know which group they are in so that the effects of the real treatment
can be assessed more accurately. Sugar pills are often used as placebos
in drug studies. So is saline solution (distilled water with salt in
it), although placebos need not always be drugs.

Even surgery has been used as a placebo. In the 1950s, angina pectoris,
recurrent pain in the chest and left arm due to decreased blood flow to
the heart, was commonly treated with surgery. Then some resourceful
doctors decided to conduct an experiment. Rather than perform the
customary surgery, which involved tying off the mammary artery, they cut
patients open and then simply sewed them back up again. The patients who
received the sham surgery reported just as much relief as the patients
who had the full surgery.

One factor that can affect the effectiveness of a placebo is the method
in which it is given. Injections are generally perceived as more potent
than pills, and hence giving a placebo in an injection can enhance its
effectiveness. Another factor is the attitude the doctor conveys when he
prescribes the placebo.

Tumors that Melt Like Showballs on a Hot Stove

No incident better illustrates this than a now famous case reported by
psychologist Bruno Klopfer. Klopfer was treating a man named Wright who
had advanced cancer of the lymph nodes. All standard treatments had
been exhausted, and Wright appeared to have little time left. His neck,
armpits, chest, abdomen, and groin were filled with tumors the size of
oranges, and his spleen and liver were so enlarged that two quarts of
milky fluid had to be drained out of his chest every day.

But Wright did not want to die. He had heard about an exciting new drug
called Krebiozen, and he begged his doctor to let him try it. At first
his doctor refused because the drug was only being tried on people with
a life expectancy of at least three months. But Wright was unrelenting
to his entreaties, his doctor finally gave in. He gave Wright an
injection of Krebiozen on Friday, but in his heart of hearts he did not
expect Wright to last the weekend. Then the doctor went home.

To his surprise, on the following Monday, he found Wright out of bed and
walking around. Klopfer reported that his tumors had "melted like
snowballs on a hot stove" and were half their original size. This was a
far more rapid decrease in size than even the strongest X-ray treatments
could have accomplished.

Ten days after Wright's first Krebiozen treatment, he left the hospital
and was, as far as his doctors could tell, cancer free. When he had
entered the hospital, he had needed an oxygen mask to breathe, but when
he left he was well enough to fly his own plane at 12,000 feet with no
discomfort.

Wright remained well for about two months, but then articles began to
appear asserting that Krebiozen actually had no effect on cancer of the
lymph nodes. Wright, who has rigidly logical and scientific in his
thinking, became very depressed, suffered a relapse, and was readmitted
to the hospital. This time his physician decided to try an experiment.

He told Wright that Krebiozen was every bit as effective as it had
seemed, but that some of the initial supplies of the drug had
deteriorated during shipping. He explained, however, that he had a new
highly concentrated version of the drug and could treat Wright with
this. Of course, the physician did not have a new version of the drug
and intended to inject Wright with plain water. To create the proper
atmosphere he even went through an elaborate procedure before injecting
Wright with the placebo.

Again the results were dramatic. Tumor masses melted, chest fluid
vanished, and Wright was quickly back on his feet and feeling great. He
remained symptom-free for another two months, but then the American
Medical Association announced that a nationwide study of Krebiozen had
found the drug worthless in the treatment of cancer. This time Wright's
faith was completely altered. His cancer blossomed anew and he died two
days later.

Wright's story is tragic, but it contains a powerful message: When we
are fortunate enough to bypass our disbelief and tap the healing forces
within us, we can cause tumors to melt away overnight.