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User: "a_plutonium"
Date: 13 May 2007 06:07:30 PM
Object: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is
* Is it worth mentioning that his "Plutonium Atom Totality Theory"
is falsifiable? He theorizes that galaxies are electrons in the
"electron dot cloud" of a cosmic Pu atom, so astronomical observations
should indicate a total of 94 galaxies (including our own), since Pu
has 94 electrons. (Unless he's saying that there are other cosmic Pu
atoms in the universe?) - Loadmaster 17:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Loadmaster should take a course in physics before entering this
discussion. To say something like 94 galaxies when the number of dots
of an electron-dot-cloud is precisely governed by the "Electromagnetic
Potential" in physics which means there are billions of dots in an
electron-dot-cloud and hence billions of galaxies. It is okay for
people to opinion about something but when they have little to no
understanding of the subject, then their opinion does not count. And
if Loadmaster were to have the same remark for the Big Bang, it would
go like this "the air compressor for the Big Bang at the moment of
explosion would have been 94 air compressors blowing wind ..." --
signed AP
Ignoring your personal attacks, there are several points in your
theory that are falsifiable. For instance, you state that most of the
missing mass of the universe can be explained by the fact that most of
the mass of the cosmic plutonium atom resides in its nucleus. Current
astronomical observations account for about 4% of the mass of the
universe, leaving about 96% unknown, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Since the nucleus of an atom accounts for 99.9998% of its mass
(protons and neutrons being about 1,822 times heavier than electrons),
there is a discrepancy between your theory and astronomical
observations. - Loadmaster 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Loadmaster's questions are improving, over his pitiful previous
question where he thought that the dots of the electron-dot-cloud
contained only 94 dots. Pretty stupid physics, but Loadmaster is on
his toes now. The answer really, if you know details of current
physics is that the Missing Mass of the universe is begot from solid-
body-rotation of observed galaxies. And those observations put the
RANGE OF MISSING MASS anywhere from 70% all the way up to
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%. So, if
you accept the Atom Totality theory, the answer is ended. If you
accept the Big Bang theory, then you have to come up with fairy tales
of dark matter and other stupid sordid crap. I post this to
sci.physics. And congratulations, Loadmaster, your questions have
improved 50%. 216.16.57.138 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
.

User: "Phineas T Puddleduck"

Title: Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 13 May 2007 06:10:28 PM
In article <1179097650.027997.239960@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
a_plutonium <a_plutonium@hotmail.com> wrote:

* Is it worth mentioning

No - stop your whining FFS.
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User: "a_plutonium"

Title: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing MassProblem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 15 May 2007 02:28:32 PM
a_plutonium wrote:

* Is it worth mentioning that his "Plutonium Atom Totality Theory"
is falsifiable? He theorizes that galaxies are electrons in the
"electron dot cloud" of a cosmic Pu atom, so astronomical observations
should indicate a total of 94 galaxies (including our own), since Pu
has 94 electrons. (Unless he's saying that there are other cosmic Pu
atoms in the universe?) - Loadmaster 17:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Loadmaster should take a course in physics before entering this
discussion. To say something like 94 galaxies when the number of dots
of an electron-dot-cloud is precisely governed by the "Electromagnetic
Potential" in physics which means there are billions of dots in an
electron-dot-cloud and hence billions of galaxies. It is okay for
people to opinion about something but when they have little to no
understanding of the subject, then their opinion does not count. And
if Loadmaster were to have the same remark for the Big Bang, it would
go like this "the air compressor for the Big Bang at the moment of
explosion would have been 94 air compressors blowing wind ..." --
signed AP

Ignoring your personal attacks, there are several points in your
theory that are falsifiable. For instance, you state that most of the
missing mass of the universe can be explained by the fact that most of
the mass of the cosmic plutonium atom resides in its nucleus. Current
astronomical observations account for about 4% of the mass of the
universe, leaving about 96% unknown, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Since the nucleus of an atom accounts for 99.9998% of its mass
(protons and neutrons being about 1,822 times heavier than electrons),
there is a discrepancy between your theory and astronomical
observations. - Loadmaster 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Loadmaster's questions are improving, over his pitiful previous
question where he thought that the dots of the electron-dot-cloud
contained only 94 dots. Pretty stupid physics, but Loadmaster is on
his toes now. The answer really, if you know details of current
physics is that the Missing Mass of the universe is begot from solid-
body-rotation of observed galaxies. And those observations put the
RANGE OF MISSING MASS anywhere from 70% all the way up to
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%. So, if
you accept the Atom Totality theory, the answer is ended. If you
accept the Big Bang theory, then you have to come up with fairy tales
of dark matter and other stupid sordid crap. I post this to
sci.physics. And congratulations, Loadmaster, your questions have
improved 50%. 216.16.57.138 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Loadmaster is an editor for Wikipedia, and I thank him for joining in
the discussion, but I am curious as to where he sourced his 96%,
because I could almost bet that the source would say something like
96% + or - 5% error.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.
User: "David R Tribble"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 16 May 2007 10:13:31 PM
Loadmaster wrote:

Ignoring your personal attacks, there are several points in your
theory that are falsifiable. For instance, you state that most of the
missing mass of the universe can be explained by the fact that most of
the mass of the cosmic plutonium atom resides in its nucleus. Current
astronomical observations account for about 4% of the mass of the
universe, leaving about 96% unknown, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Since the nucleus of an atom accounts for 99.9998% of its mass
(protons and neutrons being about 1,822 times heavier than electrons),
there is a discrepancy between your theory and astronomical
observations. - Loadmaster 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


a_plutonium wrote:

Loadmaster's questions are improving, over his pitiful previous
question where he thought that the dots of the electron-dot-cloud
contained only 94 dots. Pretty stupid physics, but Loadmaster is on
his toes now. The answer really, if you know details of current
physics is that the Missing Mass of the universe is begot from solid-
body-rotation of observed galaxies. And those observations put the
RANGE OF MISSING MASS anywhere from 70% all the way up to
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%. So, if
you accept the Atom Totality theory, the answer is ended. If you
accept the Big Bang theory, then you have to come up with fairy tales
of dark matter and other stupid sordid crap. I post this to
sci.physics. And congratulations, Loadmaster, your questions have
improved 50%. 216.16.57.138 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


a_plutonium wrote:

Loadmaster is an editor for Wikipedia, and I thank him for joining in
the discussion, but I am curious as to where he sourced his 96%,
because I could almost bet that the source would say something like
96% + or - 5% error.

You could check Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_mass
.

User: "David R Tribble"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 16 May 2007 05:18:29 PM
Loadmaster wrote:

Ignoring your personal attacks, there are several points in your
theory that are falsifiable. For instance, you state that most of the
missing mass of the universe can be explained by the fact that most of
the mass of the cosmic plutonium atom resides in its nucleus. Current
astronomical observations account for about 4% of the mass of the
universe, leaving about 96% unknown, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Since the nucleus of an atom accounts for 99.9998% of its mass
(protons and neutrons being about 1,822 times heavier than electrons),
there is a discrepancy between your theory and astronomical
observations. - Loadmaster 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


a_plutonium wrote:

Loadmaster's questions are improving, over his pitiful previous
question where he thought that the dots of the electron-dot-cloud
contained only 94 dots. Pretty stupid physics, but Loadmaster is on
his toes now. The answer really, if you know details of current
physics is that the Missing Mass of the universe is begot from solid-
body-rotation of observed galaxies. And those observations put the
RANGE OF MISSING MASS anywhere from 70% all the way up to
99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%. So, if
you accept the Atom Totality theory, the answer is ended. If you
accept the Big Bang theory, then you have to come up with fairy tales
of dark matter and other stupid sordid crap. I post this to
sci.physics. And congratulations, Loadmaster, your questions have
improved 50%. 216.16.57.138 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


a_plutonium wrote:

Loadmaster is an editor for Wikipedia, and I thank him for joining in
the discussion, but I am curious as to where he sourced his 96%,
because I could almost bet that the source would say something like
96% + or - 5% error.

You might try looking it up in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy
.
User: "a_plutonium"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 17 May 2007 02:10:29 AM
David R Tribble wrote:


You might try looking it up in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

Thanks, apparently Loadmaster derived his information from those pages
and this is the offending sentence.
Quoting: "Only about 4% of the total energy density in the universe
(as inferred from gravitational effects)
can be seen directly."
That sentence needs a source. They probably got it from Zwicky or
Rubin's work on galactic rotation.
The 4% figure leaves the Cosmic Missing Mass at 96%. But they should
have quoted the original source
for the 4% because, I am confident that the original source would have
said something like this:
Missing Mass 96% plus or minus 5% error.
The calculation of Missing Mass percentage in the Atom Totality is a
precise number of the mass of 231 nucleons
in the nucleus divided into the 94 electrons or perhaps just the 6
electrons of the 5f6, either way the Missing
Mass in the Atom Totality is greater than 99%.
Now I am happy that modern science is somewhat settled on the idea the
Missing Mass is greater than 95%.
But the Missing Mass as derived from astronomical observations should
provide a Plus and Minus percentage
due to observational error.
The calculation of Missing Mass per electron mass/ nucleus mass is
precise. But the calculation of astronomy
observations of galactic rotation or of microwave radiation are not
precise and require the plus and minus
due to error.
And as far as I can see, the very most important number on those pages
would be the 4% figure and thus
that sentence should have been referenced to a physics source which
would have provided the plus or minus.
It may have been 96% + - 3% or 96% + - 4%, but what ever it is, the
page lacks the error range and makes
it phony because it pretends as if these numbers of 4% and 96% are
hard-core accurate.
Mind you, I should not complain since 96% is very close to 99%, but it
is the precision of the Atom Totality
number of 99%, yet the observational number of 96% that is very much
have a larger error percent which
should have been sourced and displayed.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.


User: "Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 16 May 2007 12:17:49 PM
ah, the Uranium Era is superceded by the Pu Era,
that's almost poetry -- could even cause a theory to exist, if
you could improve your language. Loadmaster was merely typical
of the compleat puzzlement of every known attempter
to read your alleged theory, your deployment of "those,
which are more powerful then their anagram."
so, now, we know, that there are more than 94 galaxies,
since you've clarified that. so, how else is Universe
NOT like an isotope of Pu?
"to opine" is the verb-form of "opinion," FUI.

* Is it worth mentioning that his "Plutonium Atom Totality Theory"
is falsifiable? He theorizes that galaxies are electrons in the
"electron dot cloud" of a cosmic Pu atom, so astronomical observations

--n~nerfman~n!
.
User: "Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 17 May 2007 12:00:52 AM
as in, monsieur Pu once opined on the vast subject of his navel,
under the heading of ... The Atom Totality Model....
!stod eht ^^^ ^^^^
the dots!

"to opine" is the verb-form of "opinion," FUI.

thus:
Jack, get into you Delorean and use it
to take Cheeny out of government and back
to the future of Darfur -- to learn what really happenned,
tomorrow.

wow; what that report says about the rate
of increase of our military's use is astounding, although
it certainly comports to Big Peak Oil's statistics --
it's leading them, along with the sudden cut-off
of Iraqi oil when Cheeny hacked the veephood ... although
H-Dubya and Al-Junior were the biggest hackers
of that office, of all.
yeah, all you world patriots & matriots;
just sit on your hands, while ***** goes ape
in Sudan, Iran and possibly all other once and
future British quagmires.... Belize, Canada,
Trinidad AND Tobago; the list goeth on.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/05/01/pentagon_study_says_oil_reliance_strains_military?mode=PF

because I pride myself on being a real expert in the diagnosis of *****.

--n~nerfman~n!
.

User: "Major Quaternion Dirt Quantum"

Title: Re: Loadmaster, provide a source for your 96% Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 17 May 2007 12:03:33 AM
sorry; more powerful THAN their anagram --
since when !?!

to read your alleged theory, your deployment of "those,
which are more powerful then their anagram."
yeah, all you world patriots & matriots;
just sit on your hands, while ***** goes ape
in Sudan, Iran and possibly all other once and
future British quagmires.... Belize, Canada,
Trinidad AND Tobago; the list goeth on.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/05/01/pentagon_study_says_oil_reliance_strains_military?mode=PF

because I pride myself on being a real expert in the diagnosis of *****.

--n~nerfman~n!
.



User: "a_plutonium"

Title: oldest star in the Milky Way discovered to date Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 13 May 2007 10:48:40 PM
a_plutonium wrote:

* Is it worth mentioning that his "Plutonium Atom Totality Theory"
is falsifiable? He theorizes that galaxies are electrons in the
"electron dot cloud" of a cosmic Pu atom, so astronomical observations
should indicate a total of 94 galaxies (including our own), since Pu
has 94 electrons. (Unless he's saying that there are other cosmic Pu
atoms in the universe?) - Loadmaster 17:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Loadmaster should take a course in physics before entering this
discussion. To say something like 94 galaxies when the number of dots
of an electron-dot-cloud is precisely governed by the "Electromagnetic
Potential" in physics which means there are billions of dots in an
electron-dot-cloud and hence billions of galaxies. It is okay for
people to opinion about something but when they have little to no
understanding of the subject, then their opinion does not count. And
if Loadmaster were to have the same remark for the Big Bang, it would
go like this "the air compressor for the Big Bang at the moment of
explosion would have been 94 air compressors blowing wind ..." --
signed AP

Ignoring your personal attacks, there are several points in your
theory that are falsifiable. For instance, you state that most of the
missing mass of the universe can be explained by the fact that most of
the mass of the cosmic plutonium atom resides in its nucleus. Current
astronomical observations account for about 4% of the mass of the
universe, leaving about 96% unknown, composed of dark matter and dark
energy. Since the nucleus of an atom accounts for 99.9998% of its mass
(protons and neutrons being about 1,822 times heavier than electrons),
there is a discrepancy between your theory and astronomical
observations. - Loadmaster 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Loadmaster's questions are improving, over his pitiful previous
question where he thought that the dots of the electron-dot-cloud
contained only 94 dots. Pretty stupid physics, but Loadmaster is on
his toes now. The answer really, if you know details of current
physics is that the Missing Mass of the universe is begot from solid-
body-rotation of observed galaxies. And those observations put the
RANGE OF MISSING MASS anywhere from 70% all the way up to
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%. So, if
you accept the Atom Totality theory, the answer is ended. If you
accept the Big Bang theory, then you have to come up with fairy tales
of dark matter and other stupid sordid crap. I post this to
sci.physics. And congratulations, Loadmaster, your questions have
improved 50%. 216.16.57.138 22:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Google is doing a good job of matching interests of what I write and
what is advertised.
This one caught my eye.
--- quoting http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2007-05-11-ancient-star_N.htm
Long before our solar system formed and even before the Milky Way
assumed its final spiral shape, a
star slightly smaller than the Sun blazed into life in our galaxy,
formed from the newly scattered remains
of the first stars in the universe.
Employing techniques similar to those used to date archeological
remains here on Earth, scientists
have learned that a metal-poor star in our Milky Way called HE 1523 is
13.2 billion years old-just
slightly younger than 13.7 billion year age of the universe. Our solar
system is estimated to be
only about 4.6 billion years old.
The findings are detailed in the May 10 issue of Astrophysical
Journal.
--- end quoting http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2007-05-11-ancient-star_N.htm
I am excited by this discovery but will be even more excited because
the Atom Totality theory predicts stars in our
Milky Way Galaxy that are older than the alleged age of the Cosmos
13.7 billion years.
In the Atom Totality theory ages of stars and galaxies are layered.
Some ages are from the Plutonium Atom Era,
some from the previous Uranium Atom Era, some from the prior Thorium
Atom Era. So that the age of
13.7 billion years was merely the Plutonium Atom extension onto a
prior older cosmos of the Uranium Atom
Totality.
So what does this mean for the oldest stars in our galaxy? It means
that in the future, there will be found a
star that is 15 billion years old, and in the future a star that
clocks up an age of 19 to 20 billion years will be
found. Such discoveries will bring crisis to the Big Bang believers
and they will be robustly adamant that the
researchers made mistakes. But they did not make mistakes. The trouble
is that the Big Bang theory is a fake.
And closer to home, according to the Atom Totality theory, our own
Solar System displays this same layering
of ages in that the Sun and inner planets date back to the prior
Uranium Atom Totality and can be as old as
20 billion years, whereas the outer planets of Jupiter and beyond are
of the recent Plutonium Atom Era and
are only 4-5 billion years old. So when experimentalists can
accurately date the Sun and inner planets compared
to the outer planets, be not surprized when the data says that the Sun
and Earth are closer to 20 billion
years old and Jupiter and Saturn are only 5 billion years old.
But can I claim this layering truth now from the given 13.2 billion
years? Can I claim victory for the Atom Totality
theory, right here, and right now? I think so. Because in the Big Bang
theory requires billions of years for the
explosion to have coalesced the material to form a star and not just a
mere 0.5 billion years. In other words,
our present understanding of solar dynamics does not allow for a star
forming in 0.5 billion years immediately
after the Big Bang explosion. That picture conjures up the image that
the explosion had pre-made stars.
So I think I can count victory right here and right now. And the icing
on the cake will be when researchers report
a star that is 20 billion years old in our galaxy.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.
User: "a_plutonium"

Title: Re: oldest star in the Milky Way discovered to date Re: Cosmic Missing Mass Problem; Wikipedia editor learns where the missing mass is 14 May 2007 10:34:06 PM
a_plutonium wrote:
(snipped)


So what does this mean for the oldest stars in our galaxy? It means
that in the future, there will be found a
star that is 15 billion years old, and in the future a star that
clocks up an age of 19 to 20 billion years will be
found. Such discoveries will bring crisis to the Big Bang believers
and they will be robustly adamant that the
researchers made mistakes. But they did not make mistakes. The trouble
is that the Big Bang theory is a fake.

I looked up the researchers and found Anna Frebel of the University
of Texas.
I would almost bet that this team has already found a anomaly star,
which
to their methods clocks up an age older than 13.7 billion years. But
because it
does they are hesitant to publish.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
.

User: "a_plutonium"

Title: # 27 include in book ATOM TOTALITY THEORY REPLACES BIG BANG THEORY Re: oldest star in the Milky Way discovered to date 13 May 2007 10:58:10 PM
a_plutonium wrote:


Google is doing a good job of matching interests of what I write and
what is advertised.
This one caught my eye.
--- quoting http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2007-05-11-ancient-star_N.htm
Long before our solar system formed and even before the Milky Way
assumed its final spiral shape, a
star slightly smaller than the Sun blazed into life in our galaxy,
formed from the newly scattered remains
of the first stars in the universe.

Employing techniques similar to those used to date archeological
remains here on Earth, scientists
have learned that a metal-poor star in our Milky Way called HE 1523 is
13.2 billion years old-just
slightly younger than 13.7 billion year age of the universe. Our solar
system is estimated to be
only about 4.6 billion years old.

The findings are detailed in the May 10 issue of Astrophysical
Journal.
--- end quoting http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2007-05-11-ancient-star_N.htm

I am excited by this discovery but will be even more excited because
the Atom Totality theory predicts stars in our
Milky Way Galaxy that are older than the alleged age of the Cosmos
13.7 billion years.

In the Atom Totality theory ages of stars and galaxies are layered.
Some ages are from the Plutonium Atom Era,
some from the previous Uranium Atom Era, some from the prior Thorium
Atom Era. So that the age of
13.7 billion years was merely the Plutonium Atom extension onto a
prior older cosmos of the Uranium Atom
Totality.

So what does this mean for the oldest stars in our galaxy? It means
that in the future, there will be found a
star that is 15 billion years old, and in the future a star that
clocks up an age of 19 to 20 billion years will be
found. Such discoveries will bring crisis to the Big Bang believers
and they will be robustly adamant that the
researchers made mistakes. But they did not make mistakes. The trouble
is that the Big Bang theory is a fake.

And closer to home, according to the Atom Totality theory, our own
Solar System displays this same layering
of ages in that the Sun and inner planets date back to the prior
Uranium Atom Totality and can be as old as
20 billion years, whereas the outer planets of Jupiter and beyond are
of the recent Plutonium Atom Era and
are only 4-5 billion years old. So when experimentalists can
accurately date the Sun and inner planets compared
to the outer planets, be not surprized when the data says that the Sun
and Earth are closer to 20 billion
years old and Jupiter and Saturn are only 5 billion years old.

But can I claim this layering truth now from the given 13.2 billion
years? Can I claim victory for the Atom Totality
theory, right here, and right now? I think so. Because in the Big Bang
theory requires billions of years for the
explosion to have coalesced the material to form a star and not just a
mere 0.5 billion years. In other words,
our present understanding of solar dynamics does not allow for a star
forming in 0.5 billion years immediately
after the Big Bang explosion. That picture conjures up the image that
the explosion had pre-made stars.

So I think I can count victory right here and right now. And the icing
on the cake will be when researchers report
a star that is 20 billion years old in our galaxy.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

.



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