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| User: |
"Berkeley Brett" |
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19 Jan 2008 11:56:44 AM |
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Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
Here's a BBC summary (in three parts) on the Large Hadron Collider.
This summary raises the issue of planetary oblivion (among other
things):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related
This chap has an interesting if somewhat irreverent way of considering
the issue:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related
And here's the LHC homepage:
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Could the huge black holes we detect with astronomic instruments
simply be the remnants of advanced civilizations that conducted the
wrong particle accelerator experiments?!? Let's hope not!
Your thoughts on this issue are most welcome....
--
Brett
http://www.100bestwebsites.org/
"The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!"
Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 04:34:08 PM |
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Berkeley Brett wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
1) Angular momentum is conserved.
2) You are an idiot.
A micro-black hole, even if it persised long enough to accumlate mass
and was buried in high density matter, would swallow nothing before it
violently decayed. Do the math. Figure out the swirlie from a
centimeter radius necking down to a proton radius for initial one
radian/sec rotation.
[snip crap]
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 05:11:47 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:47927AE0.E1B79249@hate.spam.net...
Open sewer with Schwartztord floating (River of *****) snipped.
http://tinyurl.com/2g2ukd
20 Aug 2003, 21:16
| Hey stupid:
| 1) Newton summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = V1 + V2
| 2) Special Relativity summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = (V1 + V2)/[1
+(V1)(V2)/c^2]
| There's the math. Now you can ***** and moan about an inertial observer.
| We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
HEY FUCKHEAD!
We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
| [@] Among the reasons it is unphysical is the fact that the
| composition of two velocities to the right can result in a
| velocity to the left. Another reason is that "time" acts
| just like "space". Neither of these are true in the world
| we inhabit.
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| Tom Roberts
No aether.
No fucking aether.
NO FUCKIN' AETHER.
NO FUCKING AETHER, DUMBFUCK!
NO ***** FUCKING AETHER, YOU USELESS PILE OF *****!
TAKE YOUR POXY AETHER AND SHOVE IT UP YER ARSE,
YOU MORON!!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
The pencil is broken. Don't like empirical observations, Schwartzshit?
Fuckhead.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
"BTW, you *****-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Schwartzshit, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley."
http://tinyurl.com/3pwu
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 05:52:00 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
[snip crap]
Nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 06:20:35 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:47928D20.37672FFB@hate.spam.net...
Open sewer with Schwartztord floating (River of *****) snipped.
http://tinyurl.com/2g2ukd
20 Aug 2003, 21:16
| Hey stupid:
| 1) Newton summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = V1 + V2
| 2) Special Relativity summing velocities, [V1 + V2] = (V1 + V2)/[1
+(V1)(V2)/c^2]
| There's the math. Now you can ***** and moan about an inertial observer.
| We'll proactively play it your way, *****. -- Schwartzshit.
HEY FUCKHEAD!
We'll proactively play it your way, *****.
| [@] Among the reasons it is unphysical is the fact that the
| composition of two velocities to the right can result in a
| velocity to the left. Another reason is that "time" acts
| just like "space". Neither of these are true in the world
| we inhabit.
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| Tom Roberts
No aether.
No fucking aether.
NO FUCKIN' AETHER.
NO FUCKING AETHER, DUMBFUCK!
NO ***** FUCKING AETHER, YOU USELESS PILE OF *****!
TAKE YOUR POXY AETHER AND SHOVE IT UP YER ARSE,
YOU MORON!!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/geoopt/optpic/brokpen.jpg
The pencil is broken. Don't like empirical observations, Schwartzshit?
Fuckhead.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
"BTW, you *****-faced baboon, "(c+v) appears nowhere in the paper, nor
could it. Hey Schwartzshit, you are an ineducable idiot. Your high
school should be leveled and replaced by an abandoned bowling alley."
http://tinyurl.com/3pwu
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 07:26:25 PM |
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Androclitty wrote:
[snip crap]
Nothing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
20 Jan 2008 04:44:42 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4792A341.B4A5F478@hate.spam.net...
| Androclitty wrote:
| [snip crap]
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| Nothing.
Head up arse, can't see.
Ignorant *****.
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| User: "Mitchell Jones" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
04 Feb 2008 01:32:56 PM |
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In article <47927AE0.E1B79249@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
Berkeley Brett wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
1) Angular momentum is conserved.
2) You are an idiot.
A micro-black hole, even if it persised long enough to accumlate mass
and was buried in high density matter, would swallow nothing before it
violently decayed. Do the math. Figure out the swirlie from a
centimeter radius necking down to a proton radius for initial one
radian/sec rotation.
[snip crap]
Idiot.
***{What if your conventional model of a "black hole" is wrong? What if
the polar jets emitted from the objects presently labeled "black holes"
do not consist of material from above the event horizon, and are not
collimated by the twisting of magnetic fields in the accretion disk,
but, instead, are beams of gravity microparticles (LeSage's ultramundane
corpuscles) coming from below the event horizon? In that case, the jets
will drive material in the surrounding "Dirac Sea," "aether," or
whatever you prefer to call it, away from the object along its polar
axes, setting up a flow in the northern and southern hemispheres that
moves outward and away from the object at the poles, and inward, toward
the object, along its equatorial plane. In other words, what if in
addition to the gravitational field around the object within which
momentum will be conserved, there is also an active suction toward the
equator due to fluid flows? If that is the case, angular momentum will
NOT be conserved in the vicinity of the object. Instead, your "micro
black hole" will immediately suck in the lab within which it was
created, then the earth, then the solar system, and we will all be quite
dead. And, fittingly enough, it will be a government funded project that
did us all in. --MJ}***
*****************************************************************
If I seem to be ignoring you, consider the possibility
that you are in my killfile. --MJ
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
20 Jan 2008 12:09:53 AM |
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Berkeley Brett wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
What with 1/10000 the energy of typical cosmic ray collisions?
Give us a break.
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| User: "Berkeley Brett" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 07:12:09 PM |
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Interesting article on this subject by physicist Frank Close of
Oxford:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/30679
The level of maturity of communication on this message board is
remarkable! :P
"I used to be disgusted, now I'm just amused...."
Best wishes to all, even our less mature friends....
--
Brett
http://www.100bestwebsites.org/
"The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!"
Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
20 Jan 2008 05:31:18 AM |
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"Berkeley Brett" <RoyalOui@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6aec216-ea5a-47fb-8b34-6260a99f5e1f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
| Interesting article on this subject by physicist Frank Close of
| Oxford:
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| http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/30679
"The story of the LHC as an Armageddon machine would be laughable were it
not so serious. "
The fairy tale of Special Relativity is laughable because it is so serious.
Catch 22:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img22.gif
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/figures/img76.gif
Heller wrote: "There was only one catch and that was Catch 22, which
specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were
real and immediate was the process of a rational mind.
"Orr (a character in the novel) was crazy and could be grounded. All he had
to do was ask, and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would
have to fly more missions.
"Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he
was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have
to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to."
In Einstein's case if you use c+v you can derive c = (c+v)/(1+v/c) from
the cuckoo malformations he later blamed on H.A. Lorentz, another kook.
That says you can't use c+v.
As a "theoretical physicist" at Oxford, let us look at what Frank Close
is whingeing about.
The BBCs ratings are dropping due to multi-channel broadcasting,
the communists are still insisting on a TV tax ("license") to maintain
Auntie Beeb's aristocracy in a class conscious society, he's been part of
the sensational mystery-mongering of physics since the year dot.
Now he complains about sensational mystery-mongering by the Beeb
to boost their ratings?
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| The level of maturity of communication on this message board is
| remarkable! :P
The pearls you cast before swine are garbage the oyster rejected,
even the pigs know it.
[hypocritical "Best Wishes" rejected]
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 04:54:06 PM |
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On Jan 19, 11:56 am, Berkeley Brett <Royal...@gmail.com> wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
Here's a BBC summary (in three parts) on the Large Hadron Collider.
This summary raises the issue of planetary oblivion (among other
things):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related
This chap has an interesting if somewhat irreverent way of considering
the issue:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related
And here's the LHC homepage:
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Could the huge black holes we detect with astronomic instruments
simply be the remnants of advanced civilizations that conducted the
wrong particle accelerator experiments?!? Let's hope not!
Your thoughts on this issue are most welcome....
--
Bretthttp://www.100bestwebsites.org/
"The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!"
Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites
No.
There is no such thing as a singularity-
gravity-induced or otherwise.
John
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| User: "tadchem" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 03:45:34 PM |
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On Jan 19, 12:56 pm, Berkeley Brett <Royal...@gmail.com> wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
Similar questions were asked about the first atomic bomb - would it
ignite an exothermic combustion of the atmosphere, burning the planet
up?
I imagine that the introduction of slash-and-burn agriculture a few
thousand years ago may have also prompted questions such as "is it
going to positively burn up everything, forever?"
I am sure the native Americans worried when the megafauna went
extinct, and the Easter Islanders worried about the loss of all their
trees to civil engineering projects.
After all, human beings have no ability to adapt, and are very
fragile, and have always been capable of annihilating everything in
existence. They are also convinced of their own omnipotence, and
vaguely aware of their own incompetence.
The 'natural' universe came to an end when the first hominids mastered
the manufacture of tools, controlled fire, and learned to communicate
though arbitrary symbols. The gods simply haven't figured it out yet.
Colliding hadrons under great forces will not destroy the universe. It
happens throughout the universe every day with the gravitational
collapse of large stars into neutron stars.
The greatest threat to life on earth continues to remain governments
run by psychotic religionists who believe war is holy and that they
deserve nuclear weapons as tools to purify the world.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 04:04:24 PM |
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"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eaf123a9-1a2e-4a51-843e-b4b08f6066ba@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
| On Jan 19, 12:56 pm, Berkeley Brett <Royal...@gmail.com> wrote:
| > As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
| > up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
| > entire planet?"
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| Similar questions were asked about the first atomic bomb - would it
| ignite an exothermic combustion of the atmosphere, burning the planet
| up?
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| I imagine that the introduction of slash-and-burn agriculture a few
| thousand years ago may have also prompted questions such as "is it
| going to positively burn up everything, forever?"
|
| I am sure the native Americans worried when the megafauna went
| extinct, and the Easter Islanders worried about the loss of all their
| trees to civil engineering projects.
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| After all, human beings have no ability to adapt, and are very
| fragile, and have always been capable of annihilating everything in
| existence. They are also convinced of their own omnipotence, and
| vaguely aware of their own incompetence.
|
| The 'natural' universe came to an end when the first hominids mastered
| the manufacture of tools, controlled fire, and learned to communicate
| though arbitrary symbols. The gods simply haven't figured it out yet.
|
| Colliding hadrons under great forces will not destroy the universe. It
| happens throughout the universe every day with the gravitational
| collapse of large stars into neutron stars.
|
| The greatest threat to life on earth continues to remain governments
| run by psychotic religionists who believe war is holy and that they
| deserve nuclear weapons as tools to purify the world.
|
(And those that vote for them)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
20 Jan 2008 05:41:46 AM |
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On Jan 19, 5:56=A0pm, Berkeley Brett <Royal...@gmail.com> wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
Here's a BBC summary (in three parts) on the Large Hadron Collider.
This summary raises the issue of planetary oblivion (among other
things):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=3Drelated
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DMQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=3Drelated
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3D_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=3Drelated
This chap has an interesting if somewhat irreverent way of considering
the issue:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DfPxYdObyJ2A&feature=3Drelated
And here's the LHC homepage:
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Could the huge black holes we detect with astronomic instruments
simply be the remnants of advanced civilizations that conducted the
wrong particle accelerator experiments?!? Let's hope not!
Your thoughts on this issue are most welcome....
--
Bretthttp://www.100bestwebsites.org/
"The 100 finest sites on the Web, all in one place!"
Widely-watched non-profit ranking of top Internet sites
When we have the ability to create a fusion reactor on earth, we just
be able to create the conditions for on the sun. A quantum
singularity(black hole), would required over a billion suns just to
approach the power requirements.
Build yourself a few billion fusion reactors put them together, and
then came back ask the same question. Please also factor entropy into
your little project, because there is going to energy loss.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Could the LHC Collapse Planet Earth?!? |
19 Jan 2008 05:46:18 PM |
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On Jan 19, 8:56 am, Berkeley Brett <Royal...@gmail.com> wrote:
As the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) comes online, the question has come
up, "Could the LHC generate a singularity that would collapse the
entire planet?"
....the answer is "no, and stop fucking asking."
This question has been asked countless times.
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