Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine???



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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "mike3"
Date: 07 May 2007 11:43:34 PM
Object: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine???
Hi.
I just thought up a crazy, crackpot theory for you to munch on, and
it's more of a theoretical exercise than anything useful, really. If,
and IF time travel were possible, AND you could also violate causality
(ie. change history with it), which are probably two really, really
big IFs, then could one create perpetual motion, ie. violate the first
law of thermodynamics? Specifically, you send a particle through your
time machine, so it comes back and meets it's past self. Now we have
two particles. We send those through the machine again and get four.
And so on, and so on. We have a second machine that does the exact
same thing with anti-particles. Once we've built them up to a high
enough amount, we then bring all but one of each together and
annihilate them, releasing lots of energy. The remaining particle/
antiparticle pair is then used to start the cycle again.
Congratulations, infinite energy! Or not? I'm curious, would this
really be so, if our assumptions were true, or is there some subtle,
fundamental flaw? If so (and I wouldn't be surprised if there is one),
what is it? Since the assumptions are quite big, I'd doubt whether or
not you could _really_ get a PM machine this way, but this is not so
much an exercise in designing a device or workable machine as it is
one in speculation.
.

User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine??? 08 May 2007 03:59:10 AM
"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1178599414.532186.207970@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

Hi.
=20
I just thought up a crazy, crackpot theory for you to munch on, and
it's more of a theoretical exercise than anything useful, really. If,
and IF time travel were possible, AND you could also violate causality
(ie. change history with it), which are probably two really, really
big IFs, then could one create perpetual motion,

You were right, it is a crazy, crackpot theory.
If pigs could fly they'd be pigeons.
=20
.

User: "CWatters"

Title: Re: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine??? 08 May 2007 03:42:30 AM
Wouldn't it be easier to go back in time and get some coal or uranium that
you burned last week. Burn it again. Go back get it again etc
.

User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine??? 07 May 2007 11:48:04 PM
mike3 wrote:

Hi.

I just thought up a crazy, crackpot theory for you to munch on, and
it's more of a theoretical exercise than anything useful, really. If,
and IF time travel were possible, AND you could also violate causality
(ie. change history with it), which are probably two really, really
big IFs, then could one create perpetual motion, ie. violate the first
law of thermodynamics? Specifically, you send a particle through your
time machine, so it comes back and meets it's past self. Now we have
two particles. We send those through the machine again and get four.
And so on, and so on. We have a second machine that does the exact
same thing with anti-particles. Once we've built them up to a high
enough amount, we then bring all but one of each together and
annihilate them, releasing lots of energy. The remaining particle/
antiparticle pair is then used to start the cycle again.
Congratulations, infinite energy! Or not? I'm curious, would this
really be so, if our assumptions were true, or is there some subtle,
fundamental flaw? If so (and I wouldn't be surprised if there is one),
what is it? Since the assumptions are quite big, I'd doubt whether or
not you could _really_ get a PM machine this way, but this is not so
much an exercise in designing a device or workable machine as it is
one in speculation.

You are trying to make something out of nothing... doesn't work.
Have more trust in the laws of physics that have been tested and
tested a long long time.
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine??? 08 May 2007 09:14:28 AM
mike3 wrote:
[snip crap]

Congratulations, infinite energy!

[snip rest of crap]
If time is homogeneous then mass-energy is locally conserved via
Noether's theorem.
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
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User: "Androcles"

Title: Re: Could this work as a Perpetual Motion Machine??? 08 May 2007 09:39:50 AM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message =
news:464085C4.2EB32985@hate.spam.net...

mike3 wrote:
[snip crap]
=20

Congratulations, infinite energy!=20

[snip rest of crap]
=20

[snip wet fart]
Fuckhead. Moron. Cretin. Imbecile. Miracle believer.
.



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