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Science > Physics |
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"Pentcho Valev" |
| Date: |
02 Nov 2005 09:16:33 AM |
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Criminal Science |
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
fatal for the theory: the application of the equivalence principle
converts the variability of the speed of light into dependence on the
speed of the light source or observer:
http://www.wbabin.net/valev/valev3.htm
If the initiated had just ignored Einstein's statement that would be
"normal": after all, Einstein's idiocies often contradict other
idiocies of his and therefore at least half of them should be ignored.
However the initiated have not ignored this particular statement of
Einstein; rather, they have changed the principle of constancy of the
speed of light accordingly. Essentially, the following modified
principle is now operative in the theory of relativity:
The speed of light in vacuum is constant in the absence of a
gravitational field and VARIABLE in the presence of a gravitational
field.
However, knowing how dangerous the modified principle is, the initiated
camouflaged it in the following way:
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/postulate.html :
"In general relativity, arbitrarily weird coordinate systems are
allowed, and light need move neither in straight lines nor at constant
velocity with respect to bizarre coordinates (why should it, if the
labelling of space and time is totally arbitrary?). However, general
relativity asserts the existence of locally inertial frames, and the
speed of light is a universal constant in those frames."
There is no definition of "criminal science" yet but at at least there
is a paradigm.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 09:31:28 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Pentcho Valev does not want to know the differences between
- speed and velocity,
- inertial and non-inertial,
- local and global,
- implication and equivalence
This is
fatal for the theory:
This is fatal for Pentcho Valev's credibility.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Pentcho Valev" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 09:41:43 AM |
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Pentcho Valev does not want to know the differences between
- speed and velocity,
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/7494fe9f56eb05cb/3621156616183dc9#3621156616183dc9
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 09:57:40 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1130946103.097443.59280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
Pentcho Valev does not want to know the differences between
- speed and velocity,
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thread/7494fe9f56eb05cb/3621156616183dc9#3621156616183dc9
Pentcho Valev does not want to know the differences between
- speed and velocity,
- inertial and non-inertial,
- local and global,
- implication and equivalence
This is fatal for Pentcho Valev's credibility and demonstrates
Pentcho Valev's malicious trolling behaviour on these newsgroups.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "AllYou!" |
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| Title: Where'd you go, *****? |
03 Nov 2005 02:53:49 PM |
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You think stalking me in other NGs is gonna get rid of me in this one, think
again, ***** for brains. I've pretty much ignored your anger, bitterness, and
general small mindedness for nearly a year now, but I post just a couple of
messages here lately and you come and stalk me not only here, but in other NGs?
What's the point of that, Van Moortel? Did I strike a nerve way back then? Was
outing you as the bitter, lowly, immoral, pathetic old man all that hurtful?
Does my mere presence remind you of the fact that you have no life and no claim
to fame and that you've accomplished nothing in your pathetic life? Is that why
you've posted here for so long and devoted yourself to McCarthy-like tactics to
silence those who challenge you? Is it because this is all you have, and to
have it challenged in any way would destroy the only reason you have for
continuing to waste fresh air?
Well, think again, *****. Whatever your motive in going after me for
absolutely no reason could possibly have been, it backfired. I'm not going
anywhere, *****. Deal with it. I'm going to re-devote myself to exposing
you for the empty shell of a person you really are.
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 09:35:18 PM |
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In article <1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
fatal for the theory:
You haven't defined the speed very carefully. In a theory of curved
spacetime, where lengths and time intervals depend on where you are
relative to a clock or ruler, you need to be careful about that.
--
"When the fool walks through the street, in his lack of understanding he
calls everything foolish." -- Ecclesiastes 10:3, New American Bible
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
03 Nov 2005 04:25:15 AM |
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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message =
news:dkc0hm$74v$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
| In article <1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
| Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
| >In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
| >gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This =
is
| >fatal for the theory:
|=20
| You haven't defined the speed very carefully. In a theory of curved=20
| spacetime, where lengths and time intervals depend on where you are=20
| relative to a clock or ruler, you need to be careful about that.
| --=20
| "When the fool walks through the street, in his lack of understanding =
he=20
| calls everything foolish." -- Ecclesiastes 10:3, New American Bible
What does walking through a street have to do with Ecclesiastes being =
foolish?
Please explain this to me, that I be not a fool and have understanding.
Androcles.
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
03 Nov 2005 09:21:18 AM |
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In article <fAlaf.137288$Ih5.4805@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Androcles <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote:
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dkc0hm$74v$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
| In article <1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
| Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
| >In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
| >gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
| >fatal for the theory:
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| You haven't defined the speed very carefully. In a theory of curved
| spacetime, where lengths and time intervals depend on where you are
| relative to a clock or ruler, you need to be careful about that.
| --
| "When the fool walks through the street, in his lack of understanding he
| calls everything foolish." -- Ecclesiastes 10:3, New American Bible
What does walking through a street have to do with Ecclesiastes being foolish?
Please explain this to me, that I be not a fool and have understanding.
Androcles.
The author anticipates modern research by a few thousand years.
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
--
"Not that there's anything wrong with just lying around on your back. In
its way, rotting is interesing too... It's just that there are other ways
to spend your time as a cadaver." -- Mary Roach, "Stiff", 2003.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
03 Nov 2005 10:09:57 AM |
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"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message =
news:dkd9te$kvr$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
| In article <fAlaf.137288$Ih5.4805@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
| Androcles <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote:
| >
| >"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
| >news:dkc0hm$74v$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
| >| In article <1130944593.109278.107660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
| >| Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
| >| >In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
| >| >gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". =
This is
| >| >fatal for the theory:
| >|=20
| >| You haven't defined the speed very carefully. In a theory of =
curved=20
| >| spacetime, where lengths and time intervals depend on where you are =
| >| relative to a clock or ruler, you need to be careful about that.
| >| --=20
| >| "When the fool walks through the street, in his lack of =
understanding he=20
| >| calls everything foolish." -- Ecclesiastes 10:3, New American Bible
| >
| > What does walking through a street have to do with Ecclesiastes =
being foolish?
| >Please explain this to me, that I be not a fool and have =
understanding.
| >Androcles.
|=20
| The author anticipates modern research by a few thousand years.
|=20
| http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware.html
|=20
So the author was unskilled, unaware, a fool who could not recognize his =
own incompetence, but that doesn't answer my question. Now I have =
another. What the phuck does walking through streets have to do with you =
foolishly quoting inane and stupid utterances? Can it be that you do not =
recognize your own incompetence in answering a straightforward question =
with a straightforward reply, or can you only make vague hints that we =
are supposed to guess at the meaning of?
Androcles.
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| "Not that there's anything wrong with just lying around on your back. =
In=20
| its way, rotting is interesing too... It's just that there are other =
ways=20
| to spend your time as a cadaver." -- Mary Roach, "Stiff", 2003.
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| User: "brian a m stuckless" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 10:44:55 PM |
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ALL clocks and rulers are GR-POiNTs, but are NOT GR POiNT-mass.!!
( ..BECAUSE the GR G_uv = T_uv is NOT mathematically RELATED ).!!
brian a m stuckless
<> >><> >><> >><> >><>
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
You haven't defined the speed very carefully. In a theory of curved
spacetime, where lengths and time intervals depend on where you are
relative to a clock or ruler, --
insert ..see top of PAGE.!!
you need to be careful about that.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 09:26:40 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
However, knowing how dangerous the modified principle is, the initiated
camouflaged it in the following way:
http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/postulate.html :
"In general relativity, arbitrarily weird coordinate systems are
allowed, and light need move neither in straight lines nor at constant
velocity with respect to bizarre coordinates (why should it, if the
labelling of space and time is totally arbitrary?). However, general
relativity asserts the existence of locally inertial frames, and the
speed of light is a universal constant in those frames."
There is no definition of "criminal science" yet but at at least there
is a paradigm.
Pentcho Valev
This sounds like a restatement of Plate Tectonics theory over here in
geology. Am I getting the picture then?
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| User: "Tom Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 10:36:38 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
fatal for the theory:
Attempting to "do physics" like this via sound bites is hopeless. It is
hopeless for sound bites taken from technical literature, and
disasterous for sound bites taken from popularizations like this.
This is not "fatal for the theory", it is merely fatal for your personal
misconceptions about relativity. <shrug>
But in order to understand how this is handled in GR, you MUST
understand what Einstein meant, and how it relates to GR. That takes
STUDY, and cannot be done via sound bites.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
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| User: "Henry Haapalainen" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 05:05:11 PM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Henry Haapalainen
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
03 Nov 2005 04:19:22 AM |
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"Henry Haapalainen" <kirppu@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message =
news:dkbgnj$6pm$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
|> Pentcho Valev wrote:
| > > In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
| > > gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". =
This is
| > > fatal for the theory:
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| I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
I don't know about your mentality, but your faith is with defect.
Androcles
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| Henry Haapalainen
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
02 Nov 2005 07:13:52 PM |
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Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Yea it is correct, but it is irrelevant. Things change when your on a
curved manifold.
Henry Haapalainen
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| User: "Henry Haapalainen" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
03 Nov 2005 06:00:04 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:1130980432.852050.9310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". This
is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Henry Haapalainen
Yea it is correct, but it is irrelevant. Things change when your on a
curved manifold. (EG)
If you understand your own writing, be happy. I don't understand it at all.
Henry Haapalainen
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
04 Nov 2005 01:01:43 AM |
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Henry Haapalainen wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestiss=E4
news:1130980432.852050.9310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position". T=
his
is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Henry Haapalainen
Yea it is correct, but it is irrelevant. Things change when your on a
curved manifold. (EG)
If you understand your own writing, be happy. I don't understand it at al=
l=2E
Oh, since you argue about relativity all the time I would have assumed
you had at least a passing knowledge of the subject.
How do you define distance and time on a curved manifold? In GR, you do
not have the comfort of simple linear distance or time.
Take the simple example of radio signal time delay. I was going to use
lensing, but this example works better.
In the presense of a gravitational field, the distance between the
points A and B is longer than the distance if A and B were situated in
flat space. The time it takes for a light signal to get from A to B in
a gravitational field is longer than if the space were flat.
=20
Henry Haapalainen
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| User: "Henry Haapalainen" |
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| Title: Re: Criminal Science |
04 Nov 2005 05:34:31 PM |
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"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:1131087703.883656.185070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestissä
news:1130980432.852050.9310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
This
is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Henry Haapalainen
Yea it is correct, but it is irrelevant. Things change when your on a
curved manifold. (EG)
If you understand your own writing, be happy. I don't understand it at
all. (HH)
Oh, since you argue about relativity all the time I would have assumed
you had at least a passing knowledge of the subject.
How do you define distance and time on a curved manifold? In GR, you do
not have the comfort of simple linear distance or time.
Take the simple example of radio signal time delay. I was going to use
lensing, but this example works better.
In the presense of a gravitational field, the distance between the
points A and B is longer than the distance if A and B were situated in
flat space. The time it takes for a light signal to get from A to B in
a gravitational field is longer than if the space were flat. (EG)
In falling space (theory) time has no role. So it does not make things any
more complicated as they are.
Henry Haapalainen
http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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04 Nov 2005 05:46:22 PM |
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Henry Haapalainen wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestiss=E4
news:1131087703.883656.185070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
"Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi@gmail.com> kirjoitti viestiss=E4
news:1130980432.852050.9310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Henry Haapalainen wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
In Chapter 22 in his "Relativity" Einstein states that, in a
gravitational field, the speed of light "varies with position".
This
is
fatal for the theory:
I don't know about its fatality, but it is absolutely correct.
Henry Haapalainen
Yea it is correct, but it is irrelevant. Things change when your on a
curved manifold. (EG)
If you understand your own writing, be happy. I don't understand it at
all. (HH)
Oh, since you argue about relativity all the time I would have assumed
you had at least a passing knowledge of the subject.
How do you define distance and time on a curved manifold? In GR, you do
not have the comfort of simple linear distance or time.
Take the simple example of radio signal time delay. I was going to use
lensing, but this example works better.
In the presense of a gravitational field, the distance between the
points A and B is longer than the distance if A and B were situated in
flat space. The time it takes for a light signal to get from A to B in
a gravitational field is longer than if the space were flat. (EG)
Get a better newsreader.
In falling space (theory) time has no role. So it does not make things any
more complicated as they are.
*woosh*
That is the sound of my point going over your head. You missed it the
first, second, and third time.
=20
Henry Haapalainen
http://www.wakkanet.fi/~fields/
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