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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" |
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24 Dec 2004 04:16:56 PM |
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Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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25 Dec 2004 04:14:19 PM |
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"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:41CC9550.C2990B44@everywhere.net...
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
cheers
Bill
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| User: "Thomas Lee Elifritz" |
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25 Dec 2004 05:37:55 PM |
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December 25, 2004
Landy wrote:
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is any one of numerous biological or nonbiological lifeforms that are
thought to inhabit homotopy groups, unusual states of matter, and the cores of
high energy partical detectors, for instance, the surfaces and cores of gas
giants, white dwarfs, neutron stars, strange moons and planets, and various
mathematical abstractions wherever they may also occur in the minds and the
machines of the boojums that inhabit these strange and weird places.
Boojums may or may not be organic or DNA based, for instance, the boojum in
question could be highly organized solid state defect states anywhere in the
BCS-BEC continuum. More likely Titan boojums are merely organic, just real
cold, a lot colder than high energy boojums, but much warmer than atomic
boojums, obviously.
Boojums are just the amoebae and plankton of bizaare and unusual life, they
are usually food for higher boojum based lifeforms like jubjubbys and
jabberwockys, which in turn are hunted by the terrible and ferocious snark,
they could be land snarks or sea snarks, or even gaseous quark snarks, who
knows. The snarks in turn are hunted by intelligent boojum based lifeforms
known as the 'Dumptys', who are lead by a great leader known throughout the
universe as 'Humpty Dumpty'. The king of boojums, higher than hell on the
boojum equivalent of steroids, a force to be reckoned with, Hail Humpty.
Generally when landing your flying saucer into the midst of an unknown and
potentially friendly boojum civilization on a strange planet, it's considered
proper interplanetary ettiquette to land on the boojum equivalent of the white
house lawn and announce yourselves in the equivalent of a clear and concise
boojum manner to the equivalent of the boojum authorities. Athough it is
highly unlikely, it is usually considered extremely bad manners to accidently
land directly on top of Humpty Dumpty in an uncontrolled and random manner,
knocking him off of his esteemed boojum thone, which could be misconstrued as
an overtly hostile act, a boojum faux pax, triggering a boojum arms and space
race among the normally peaceful boojums, and an unfortunate, costly and
totally unnecessary interplanetary boojum war. We should be so unlucky.
Thus it is vitally important to put some sort of terminal landing control and
a post landing 'plan' for your flying saucer, when flying into unknown boojum
territory, approach the boojums in a peaceful manner, and properly negotiate a
boojum peace, so that the exchange of boojum sciencific concepts and peaceful
boojum cooperation can ensue, thus enabling the peaceful continuation of
boojum civilization throughout the universe, otherwise the results could be an
unwieldy boojum insurgency..
It makes one think whether NASA and the ESA properly thought this boojum thing
through.
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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25 Dec 2004 06:37:25 PM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 25, 2004
Landy wrote:
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is any one of numerous biological or nonbiological lifeforms that are
thought to inhabit homotopy groups, unusual states of matter, and the cores of
high energy partical detectors, for instance, the surfaces and cores of gas
giants, white dwarfs, neutron stars, strange moons and planets, and various
mathematical abstractions wherever they may also occur in the minds and the
machines of the boojums that inhabit these strange and weird places.
[snip]
*****. ***** as to content and ***** as to source (Lewis
Carroll's "Hunting the the Snark.") Cf: The original "Outer Limits"
and the cleaning lady trying to vacuum up the thing in the corner at
NORCO - "It Crawled Out of the Woodwork".
In olden days one could beg ignorance for not having attended school.
As 2004 wanes, having attended school is the excuse. "Every child
left behind" We will not defer to vermin defining truth and morality
by convenience of the moment.
Other than that, no problem (and no boojums on Titan).
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Thomas Lee Elifritz" |
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25 Dec 2004 07:26:36 PM |
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December 25, 2004
Uncle Al wrote:
*****.
What exactly did you expect on the usenet. Science?
***** as to content and ***** as to source (Lewis
Carroll's "Hunting the the Snark.")
E Pluribus Boojum : the Physicist and Neologist, N. David Mermin, Physics Today,
Volume 34, Issue 4, April 1981, pp.46-53.
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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25 Dec 2004 11:25:47 PM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
A boojum is any one of numerous biological or nonbiological lifeforms
that are
thought to inhabit homotopy groups, unusual states of matter, and the
cores of
high energy partical detectors, for instance, the surfaces and cores
of gas
giants, white dwarfs, neutron stars, strange moons and planets, and
various
mathematical abstractions wherever they may also occur in the minds
and the
machines of the boojums that inhabit these strange and weird places.
Boojums may or may not be organic or DNA based, for instance, the
boojum in
question could be highly organized solid state defect states anywhere
in the
BCS-BEC continuum. More likely Titan boojums are merely organic, just
real
cold, a lot colder than high energy boojums, but much warmer than
atomic
boojums, obviously.
You and Uncle Al illustrate an interesting theorem: A can insult B, but
that does not require either A or B to be uninteresting. It does sound
like you could land in a sea of boojums, however, and not see a damn
thing.
If we could just stop being so anal retentive about computers, and
allow a little noise in the memory, not doubt some natural computer
viruses would evolve, which would take the burden off Pakistani
sociopaths.
Boojums are just the amoebae and plankton of bizaare and unusual
life, they
are usually food for higher boojum based lifeforms like jubjubbys and
jabberwockys, which in turn are hunted by the terrible and ferocious
snark,
they could be land snarks or sea snarks, or even gaseous quark
snarks, who
knows. The snarks in turn are hunted by intelligent boojum based
lifeforms
known as the 'Dumptys', who are lead by a great leader known
throughout the
universe as 'Humpty Dumpty'. The king of boojums, higher than hell on
the
boojum equivalent of steroids, a force to be reckoned with, Hail
Humpty.
Generally when landing your flying saucer into the midst of an
unknown and
potentially friendly boojum civilization on a strange planet, it's
considered
proper interplanetary ettiquette to land on the boojum equivalent of
the white
house lawn and announce yourselves in the equivalent of a clear and
concise
boojum manner to the equivalent of the boojum authorities. Athough it
is
highly unlikely, it is usually considered extremely bad manners to
accidently
land directly on top of Humpty Dumpty in an uncontrolled and random
manner,
knocking him off of his esteemed boojum thone, which could be
misconstrued as
an overtly hostile act, a boojum faux pax, triggering a boojum arms
and space
race among the normally peaceful boojums, and an unfortunate, costly
and
totally unnecessary interplanetary boojum war. We should be so
unlucky.
Thus it is vitally important to put some sort of terminal landing
control and
a post landing 'plan' for your flying saucer, when flying into
unknown boojum
territory, approach the boojums in a peaceful manner, and properly
negotiate a
boojum peace, so that the exchange of boojum sciencific concepts and
peaceful
boojum cooperation can ensue, thus enabling the peaceful continuation
of
boojum civilization throughout the universe, otherwise the results
could be an
unwieldy boojum insurgency..
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
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| User: "Thomas Lee Elifritz" |
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26 Dec 2004 12:00:51 AM |
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December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job, by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant future.
How courageous. Bravo.
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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26 Dec 2004 08:53:44 AM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of
which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job,
:-)))))))
Oh, that's too much. Thanks, you've made my day. ;-)
by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant
future.
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
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| User: "Thomas Lee Elifritz" |
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26 Dec 2004 09:39:37 AM |
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December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
That's not a prediction. It's not even interesting as a prediction. The
fun of science is trying to 'predict' what will occur, from the existing
evidence, especially when there is very little local evidence, and just a
few remote observations and a bunch of physics and mathematics to work
with, and then finding out later that you are spectacularly *WRONG*. That
is interesting science.
I fully expect to see black tarry frozen mud, maybe some mock turtle
soup, but then I wouldn't be wrong enough, so I'll have to go with the
boojums. Maybe one or two jabberwocky's. If we're really lucky, our
flying saucer will go crashing through the roof of Humpty Dumpty's palace
bedroom, and we'll see him humping Alice in wonderland. That would be a
real eye opener.
Science needs the occasional serendipitous landing like that to keep it
alive, it's all becoming too boring..
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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| User: "Edward Green" |
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26 Dec 2004 09:46:31 AM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
That's not a prediction.
True.
It's not even interesting as a prediction.
I don't know -- I think it's at least as interesting as a prediction,
since I don't find predictions very interesting.
I did enjoy your creative prose about boojums, though. No irony.
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26 Dec 2004 04:53:23 PM |
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In article <1104072824.892051.53170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Edward Green <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of
which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job,
:-)))))))
Oh, that's too much. Thanks, you've made my day. ;-)
by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant
future.
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
I doubt that. Mars has many ancient artefacts.
--
Eric Crew
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26 Dec 2004 06:07:54 PM |
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Eric Crew <eric@brox1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1104072824.892051.53170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Edward Green <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of
which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job,
:-)))))))
Oh, that's too much. Thanks, you've made my day. ;-)
by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant
future.
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
I doubt that. Mars has many ancient artefacts.
Natural or artificial artifacts?
--
"I;m psychic, dumb *****."
"Do back to Neanderthal man fer you!"
"Learn some science if you really want to know."
...Alexa Cameron demonstrates her 200+ alien-implanted IQ
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| User: "Eric Crew" |
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27 Dec 2004 09:09:12 AM |
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In article <261220041707542960%art_deco@127.0.0.1>, Art Deco
<art_deco@127.0.0.1> writes
Eric Crew <eric@brox1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1104072824.892051.53170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Edward Green <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of
which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job,
:-)))))))
Oh, that's too much. Thanks, you've made my day. ;-)
by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant
future.
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
I doubt that. Mars has many ancient artefacts.
Natural or artificial artifacts?
Artifacts (or artefacts) are by definition artificial. ("man made") I
suppose if they were made by robots or other intelligent life forms they
would also be artefacts.
Mark J. Carlotto presents a good case for artefacts on Mars in his book
"The Martian Enigmas: A Closer Look" (North Atlantic Books, Berkeley,
California, 1997). Many objects certainly do not look natural.
--
Eric Crew
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27 Dec 2004 04:53:12 PM |
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Eric Crew <eric@brox1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In article <261220041707542960%art_deco@127.0.0.1>, Art Deco
<art_deco@127.0.0.1> writes
Eric Crew <eric@brox1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1104072824.892051.53170@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Edward Green <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> writes
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 26, 2004
Edward Green wrote:
All possibilities have been considered in fiction, not least of
which
is the landing of Dorothy on top of the witch.
How clever, exempting yourself from losing your precious stature,
reputation and job,
:-)))))))
Oh, that's too much. Thanks, you've made my day. ;-)
by not making an actual prediction, which perhaps could
be tested against Alice's empirical evidence in the not too distant
future.
How courageous. Bravo.
I don't know what will be found, but my strongest Bayesian prior is
that it will be at least as interesting as the surface of Mars.
I doubt that. Mars has many ancient artefacts.
Natural or artificial artifacts?
Artifacts (or artefacts) are by definition artificial. ("man made") I
suppose if they were made by robots or other intelligent life forms they
would also be artefacts.
Mark J. Carlotto presents a good case for artefacts on Mars in his book
"The Martian Enigmas: A Closer Look" (North Atlantic Books, Berkeley,
California, 1997). Many objects certainly do not look natural.
If you are referring to the positions of mounds at Cydonia, be sure to
read about the power of randomness:
<http://www.math.washington.edu/~greenber/Randomness.html>
--
"I;m psychic, dumb *****."
"Do back to Neanderthal man fer you!"
"Learn some science if you really want to know."
...Alexa Cameron demonstrates her 200+ alien-implanted IQ
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| User: "jerry" |
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25 Dec 2004 11:50:06 PM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 25, 2004
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is any one of numerous biological or nonbiological lifeforms that are
thought to inhabit homotopy groups, unusual states of matter, and the cores of
high energy partical detectors,....
Wrong! That's Maldum, Fornax Boojumae, only!
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26 Dec 2004 03:38:28 AM |
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In message <cqkpat$r82$1@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>, Landy
<none@nowhere.com> writes
"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:41CC9550.C2990B44@everywhere.net...
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
cheers
Bill
Not an amercanism [sic], unlike WTF.
A monster from Lewis Carroll's poem "The Hunting of the Snark".
--
What have they got to hide? Release the ESA Beagle 2 report.
Remove spam and invalid from address to reply.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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25 Dec 2004 05:40:05 PM |
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Landy wrote:
"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:41CC9550.C2990B44@everywhere.net...
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is an unexpected critter that bites you hard, from Lewis
Carroll's poem "The Hunting of the Snark." The original poster
exercises a delusionary faith that chemistry and thermodynamics are
subject to Divine Intervention, hence wondrous things await existing
in fearsome contravention not of common sense but of stone cold
calculation. Titan's surface temp is around -180 C. That is 100
degrees C colder than overpriced NIH permanent storage tissue
refrigerators and 140 degrees C colder than the freezing point of pore
water. No life, no how, no way. Anything at all interesting would be
way underground where periodic tidal stresses might heat the core by
friction - but then they would have to be extreme barophiles, too.
Such speculation might fly in 1900, but not in 2000. We have better
everything, plus a century of observation with much faster pencils and
paper (starting in mid-century). Titan will be a dreary datum of
boring photochemistry and cryogenic organic tar. Implied hopes that
it would be a potentially exploitable massive light hydrocarbon
reservoir (re "Alien" and the Nostromo's cargo in the book) will not
be borne out. More likely it is Athabasca, Canada in the winter.
Bear in mind that the People's Republic of Canada, with a claimed
massive commercial production of low-sulfur petroleum from tar sands,
cannot pull a profit when oil is at $(US)50/bbl. Canuckistanis are
astounding stupid, hopelessly incompetent, or vilely corrupt in
uninteresting ways. it's probably a superposition of states. The
first question is obvious: Do they import fuels for the works or do
they refine them locally? If fuels are imported to the site, it's all
*****.
http://bibliofile.mc.duke.edu/gww/nonsense/Snark.html
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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26 Dec 2004 06:14:42 PM |
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In article <41CDFA55.BE39B08C@hate.spam.net>,
says...
Landy wrote:
"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:41CC9550.C2990B44@everywhere.net...
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is an unexpected critter that bites you hard, from Lewis
Carroll's poem "The Hunting of the Snark."
It is also a very real and weird tree/cactus like thing that lives in
Baja Mexico. See: http://arboretum.arizona.edu/boojum.html. Around here
you can buy a small boojum at the nursery, just don't expect to live
long enough to see it grow up.
Marc
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| User: "Prai Jei" |
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26 Dec 2004 05:15:28 AM |
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Uncle Al (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
<41CDFA55.BE39B08C@hate.spam.net>:
No life, no how, no way.
Not as we know it anyway. You haven't ruled out life as we *don't* know it.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes
Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
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| User: "robert casey" |
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25 Dec 2004 08:23:10 PM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Landy wrote:
"Thomas Lee Elifritz" <crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:41CC9550.C2990B44@everywhere.net...
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
I say boojums, everywhere.
Please explain this amercanism - WTF is a boojum?
A boojum is an unexpected critter that bites you hard, from Lewis
Carroll's poem "The Hunting of the Snark." The original poster
exercises a delusionary faith that chemistry and thermodynamics are
subject to Divine Intervention, hence wondrous things await existing
in fearsome contravention not of common sense but of stone cold
calculation. Titan's surface temp is around -180 C. That is 100
degrees C colder than overpriced NIH permanent storage tissue
refrigerators and 140 degrees C colder than the freezing point of pore
water. No life, no how, no way.
There's always a chance that some overlooked angle
in science might allow such life. I ain't betting the
farm on it though. I'll be happy if lakes, rivers, and or
oceans of some liquid do exist on Titan. Even that may
be a long shot. It seems difficult to find a place
(other than Earth) where you'll find large quantities
of stable liquid on a terrestrial body. (I'm including
outer solar system balls of water ice as terrestrial
here. Basically anything not a star or gas giant planet).
If there is liquid on Titan that makes for weather,
NASA will likely want to fly a Titan orbiter mission
to study it. Get some science so we can refine
weather science for use with Earth's.
Anything at all interesting would be
way underground where periodic tidal stresses might heat the core by
friction - but then they would have to be extreme barophiles, too.
Such speculation might fly in 1900, but not in 2000. We have better
everything, plus a century of observation with much faster pencils and
paper (starting in mid-century). Titan will be a dreary datum of
boring photochemistry and cryogenic organic tar. Implied hopes that
it would be a potentially exploitable massive light hydrocarbon
reservoir (re "Alien" and the Nostromo's cargo in the book) will not
be borne out. More likely it is Athabasca, Canada in the winter.
Bear in mind that the People's Republic of Canada, with a claimed
massive commercial production of low-sulfur petroleum from tar sands,
cannot pull a profit when oil is at $(US)50/bbl. Canuckistanis are
astounding stupid, hopelessly incompetent, or vilely corrupt in
uninteresting ways. it's probably a superposition of states. The
first question is obvious: Do they import fuels for the works or do
they refine them locally? If fuels are imported to the site, it's all
*****.
http://bibliofile.mc.duke.edu/gww/nonsense/Snark.html
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25 Dec 2004 04:58:54 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:16:56 GMT, Thomas Lee Elifritz
<crackpots@everywhere.net> wrote:
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
Probably not very much.
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| User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" |
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25 Dec 2004 08:29:34 PM |
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I boldy predict that the lander will land on a spot on titan that looks
incredibly boring-- no different than the surface of Venus. Just rocks,
as far as the camera can see. Not even any interesting snow. Maybe
spots on the rocks.
All this will drive scientists crazy, who will be totally convinced
that just over the hill, there are lakes of hydrocarbons and drifts of
organics. And maybe a city of Titanians with pipes and bells and
whistles, like Oz or the Martian city of Red Planet (movie or book).
But the rules of science specify that the lander will come down just
over the hill from all the interesting stuff, with the cameras pointed
at.... rocks.
That's my prediction recorded. Who else has the guts to put one down
for the next 3 weeks?
SBH
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
24 Dec 2004 05:18:28 PM |
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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
Miscellaneous gooey crud at best. Most likely tarry products of
polyacetyene chemistry capped by the occasional cyanide group,
recycled by local tectonics driven by tidal force core heating.
Aromatics would be a big deal. Remarkably boring. You don't get any
biochemistry until you diddle 1,2-diaminomaleonitrile chemistry. As
we say in the lab, DAMN if you do. Not on Titan.
I say boojums, everywhere.
Nothing has ever crawled out of my waste crock - not a single
Democrat, Enviro-whiner, or member of bottommost management. Both the
thermodynamics and the kinetics of anything resembling life below -40
(C or F, your choice) are ridiculous. Reactive stuff is rendered
inert by freezing for a reason.
Nothing but NASA spin will be found. In fact, Uncle Al and his
sensitive ***** detectors will go one further: Not even oceans of
hydrocarbon muck. Rock covered with less than a foot of goo if that.
A whole lot of not much going in aimless circles for billions of
years. It will look like Alaska after a drunken captain grounds his
oil tanker, less the water.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "George" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
24 Dec 2004 09:50:17 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
December 24, 2004
What do you predict we will see on the surface of Titan, assuming a best
case scenario of a soft landing with an upright attitude and one hour of
good surface data. Any takers?
Miscellaneous gooey crud at best. Most likely tarry products of
polyacetyene chemistry capped by the occasional cyanide group,
recycled by local tectonics driven by tidal force core heating.
Aromatics would be a big deal. Remarkably boring. You don't get any
biochemistry until you diddle 1,2-diaminomaleonitrile chemistry. As
we say in the lab, DAMN if you do. Not on Titan.
I say boojums, everywhere.
Nothing has ever crawled out of my waste crock - not a single
Democrat, Enviro-whiner, or member of bottommost management. Both the
thermodynamics and the kinetics of anything resembling life below -40
(C or F, your choice) are ridiculous. Reactive stuff is rendered
inert by freezing for a reason.
Nothing but NASA spin will be found. In fact, Uncle Al and his
sensitive ***** detectors will go one further: Not even oceans of
hydrocarbon muck. Rock covered with less than a foot of goo if that.
A whole lot of not much going in aimless circles for billions of
years. It will look like Alaska after a drunken captain grounds his
oil tanker, less the water.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Sounds about right to me.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
24 Dec 2004 10:45:54 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by it.
Androcles.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
25 Dec 2004 10:06:37 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by it.
Androcles.
Hey idiot Androcles, reposting the same idiot drool that has been so
thoroughly, utterly publicly discredited by those who can do math
(e.g., Randy Poe, in disgustingly punctilious counterpoint) merely
demonstrates what an intractible idiot you are.
Empirical physical reality casts the only votes that count. Your
idiot spew is falsified by trivial empirical observation. You are a
psychotic ineducable idiot.
Where are your citations, idiot Androcles? Where are your literature
references, idiot Androcles? Where is your empirical observational
support, idiot Androcles? You drown in explicit empirical
falsfification, idiot Androcles. Your ignorance, incompetence, and
psychosis are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the
contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating experiment. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Nature 425 374 (2003)
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
Relativity in the GPS system. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity. You are fucked,
idiot Androcles.
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries. You are fucked, idiot
Androcles.
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Idiot Androcles is a eunuch in a brothel, a capon in a henhouse, a
steer amidst cows; a stot, a gelding, a gelt, a havier, a gib, a
lapin, a seg, a hog, a wether... a butt-fucked psychotic idiot spewing
in a science newsgroup.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
25 Dec 2004 11:36:54 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CD900D.E82F32FD@hate.spam.net...
Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by
it.
Androcles.
[snip crap]
Afraid to take me on, Schwartz?
Androcles
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
26 Dec 2004 05:14:42 PM |
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Androcles drooled:
[snipped]
But there's plenty more for those seeking entertainment
http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
26 Dec 2004 04:33:51 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CD900D.E82F32FD@hate.spam.net...
Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by
it.
Androcles.
[snip crap]
Afraid to take me on, Schwartz?
Androcles
Hey idiot Androcles, reposting the same idiot drool that has been so
thoroughly, utterly publicly discredited by those who can do math
(e.g., Randy Poe, in disgustingly punctilious counterpoint) merely
demonstrates what an intractible idiot you are.
Empirical physical reality casts the only votes that count. Your
idiot spew is falsified by trivial empirical observation. You are a
psychotic ineducable idiot.
Where are your citations, idiot Androcles? Where are your literature
references, idiot Androcles? Where is your empirical observational
support, idiot Androcles? You drown in explicit empirical
falsfification, idiot Androcles. Your ignorance, incompetence, and
psychosis are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the
contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating experiment. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Nature 425 374 (2003)
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
Relativity in the GPS system. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity. You are fucked,
idiot Androcles.
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries. You are fucked, idiot
Androcles.
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Idiot Androcles is a eunuch in a brothel, a capon in a henhouse, a
steer amidst cows; a stot, a gelding, a gelt, a havier, a gib, a
lapin, a seg, a hog, a wether... a butt-fucked psychotic idiot spewing
in a science newsgroup.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "jerry" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
25 Dec 2004 11:46:20 PM |
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would you agree to sterilisation?
Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] = tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by it.
Androcles.
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: Cryogenic Life on Titan? |
25 Dec 2004 11:52:54 PM |
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"jerry" <jwarner@tongue.net> wrote in message
news:41CE502B.4A3A6750@tongue.net...
would you agree to sterilisation?
For you or Schwartz, certainly.
Androcles.
Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:41CCA3C4.FFC2F222@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
½[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
The ray travels from the MOVING origin of k to the MOVING mirror
at x' and returns to where the MOVING origin of k IS STILL FIXED,
fucking imbecile Einstein and fucking imbecile Schwartz taken in by
it.
Androcles.
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