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| User: "Jim Black" |
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| Title: Re: God and curses |
17 Dec 2005 04:21:53 PM |
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wrote:
I guess
God and I are writing a book. I do not know if any people will ever
see the book. God is writing a small amount of the book - I am
changing words of God - people will not ever see words that God used.
I am adding my ideas to ideas of God - people will not ever know what
came from God. Some information may have come from the devil. That is
not good.
Some of the Bible may have come from the devil.
Kurt Stocklmeir
This post is excellent.
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: God and curses |
17 Dec 2005 05:02:44 PM |
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"Jim Black" <tramspap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134858113.178522.300530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
kkurtstocklmeir@aol.com wrote:
I guess
God and I are writing a book. I do not know if any people will ever
see the book. God is writing a small amount of the book - I am
changing words of God - people will not ever see words that God used.
I am adding my ideas to ideas of God - people will not ever know what
came from God. Some information may have come from the devil. That is
not good.
Some of the Bible may have come from the devil.
Kurt Stocklmeir
This post is excellent.
Comrade Black,
You're obvious zeal and interest in re-education of the masses is duly noted
on your record and been approved by the local Party official of your
district.
However, I must remind you that your Patriotic Duty to the Rodina, and thus
your continued rise in the ranks of the party, demand an absolute adherence
to the rules of parliamentary procedure, the peoples chain-of-command,and
the priveleges earned and then wielded by adherence to the the Glorious
Revolution's regulations.
In this case, comments on the quality of the science/theology/well-being of
one "Kurt Stocklmeir", a suspect under considerable attention, are
restricted to the duly ranked officials chosen at the yearly Soviets, and in
this case, as has been for the last several years, that leader has been
KIBO.
I trust this message finds you and your wife Svetlana,33,a Peoples Party
secretary whom you married at 17 after an affair that had you and your
future bride meeting at your fathers small boathouse on the river Chikoy
secretly, your son Vladimir,10 years old, with no diseases and no
anti-social patterns, who arrives at school between 6:40 and 6:53 during the
school year, safe and happy. Let us continue the path of glory set down for
us as we grow the peoples paradise, the changing of the nature man via the
changing of his environment(work and class) -the very essence of a true
workers paradise.May your position in the sciences continue to grow and
reward you the satisfation all good, strong, work brings us.
Yours,
Leonid Akhmerov
Party Intellligence Affairs
Peoples Party Literature Analyst
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: God and curses |
17 Dec 2005 09:23:39 PM |
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God and I are writing a book. I do not know if any people will ever
see the book. God is writing a small amount of the book - I am
changing words of God - people will not ever see words that God used.
I am adding my ideas to ideas of God - people will not ever know what
came from God. Some information may have come from the devil. That is
not good. Some of the Bible may have come from the devil.
Kurt Stocklmeir
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What's a "God"???????
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| User: "" |
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17 Dec 2005 09:48:22 PM |
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THEY DID IT AGAIN, DAMMIT! THEY POSTED ME TO THE KOOKS GROUP W/O MY
PERMISSION. OH, FRABROUS DAY. CALOOT, CALAY.
I AM NOT A KOOK - RICHARD MITOWN NIXON, DECEASED
"TRISHA, GET THE F**K OFF THE PHONE! THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT CALL
COMING IN FROM THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!"
SICKNESS WILL SURELY TAKE THE MIND WHERE MINDS CAN'T USUALLY GO. COME
ON THE AMAZING JOURNEY, AND LEARN ALL YOU SHOULD KNOW, IF ENOUGH FOSSIL
FUEL IS LEFT TO GO ANYWHERE ANYMORE HERE IN THE YEAR 2011.
NONE CLIMBS SO HIGH AS S/HE WHO KNOWS NOT WHERE HE/SHE IS GOING.
1. FANTASTIC INSIGHT INTO THE TRUE NATURE OF REALITY IS ISOMORPHIC TO
INSANITY.
2. ARTHUR C. CLARKE WAS A PESSIMIST
3. CIVILIZATIONS DO NOT ADVANCE LINEARLY. THEY EXPLODE
TECHNOLOGICALLY, AND THANKFULLY SELF-ORGANIZATION HOLDS THEM TOGETHER.
THIS SENTENCE NO VERB.
THIS SENTIENCE IS FALSE.
HOFSTADTER IS HUNG-UP ON HIMSELF, BEHAVING SELF-REFERENTIALLY.
Here is an explanation of the difference between systems theory and
cybernetics, although cybernetics has taken over both definitions:
In fact, cybernetics and systems theory study essentially the same
problem, that of organization independent of the substrate in which it
is embodied. Insofar as it is meaningful to make a distinction between
the two approaches, we might say that systems theory has focused more
on the structure of systems and their models, whereas cybernetics has
focused more on how systems function, that is to say how they control
their actions, how they communicate with other systems or with their
own components, ... Since structure and function of a system cannot be
understood in separation, it is clear that cybernetics and systems
theory should be viewed as two facets of a single approach.
*********************************
ACHILLES: Oh, I should be delighted. That is, I should be delighted as
long as you're not going to try to snare me in one of your wicked traps
of logic, Mr. T.
TORTOISE: Wicked traps? Oh, you do me wrong. Would I do anything
wicked? I'm a peaceful soul, bothering nobody and leading a gentle,
herbivorous life. And my thoughts merely drift among the oddities and
quirks of how things are (as I see them) I, humble observer of
phenomena, plod along and puff my silly words into the air rather
unspectacularly, I am afraid. But to reassure you about my intentions,
I was only planning to speak of brains and minds this fine day and, as
you know, of course, those things have nothing--nothing whatsoever--to
do with logic!
************* *******************
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/cosmology/1.html
The edge of the accessible universe is the causal horizon, a spherical
boundary centered on Earth with a radius of about 15 billion
light-years (the speed of light the age of the universe). Information
from beyond the causal horizon cannot reach us because there has not
been enough time since the Big Bang for any signal to travel so far,
even at the speed of light. But as the universe gets older, the horizon
moves out, bringing more of the unseen universe into view. What is the
nature of the "stuff" beyond the horizon? Lacking information and an
adequate physical theory of the Big Bang itself, cosmologists can only
speculate. Observers on a galaxy a billion light-years away from the
Earth could draw a similar causal horizon around themselves, but their
horizon would include parts of the universe that astronomers on Earth
would not be able to see. Given the assumption that observers see a
similar universe regardless of where they are, the part that we call
unseen must be similar to the part just inside our horizon. From this
argument cosmologists conclude that the part of the universe we can see
is embedded in a much larger universe of the same stuff, possibly
extending to infinity, or possibly not.
***********************
Complexity Theory states that critically interacting components
self-organize to form potentially evolving structures exhibiting a
hierarchy of emergent system properties.
***********************
Thomas Munnecke's, Riverside, Ca., letter to Scientific American,
August, 1981 (verbatim).
Sirs,
I am happy to see that there has been no response to Dr.
Hofstadter's column on self-reference ["Letters," SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN,
May]. Those who look at self-reference perch themselves precariously
on Ockham's Razor, tottering between hopeless confusion and fantastic
insight. One might as well open a dictionary and find, "recursion: see
recursion." He who is able to see recursion gains fresh insight into
it.
I am reminded of a conversation between an ancient philosopher,
Hee Hoo (whose epitaph reads , "Who is buried in Hoo's tomb?), and W.
V. Hee:
Hoo: What is a question that is also its own answer?
Hee: Why not, "Why not?"?
Hoo: "Why not?"? Why not!
**********************************************
"A Man should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a
hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts,
build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch
manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and
die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert A. Heinlein
****************************
Of course, there are cases where only a rare individual will have the
vision to perceive a system which governs many peoples' lives, a system
which had never before even been recognized as a system; then such
people often devote their lives to convincing other people that the
system really is there, and that it ought to be exited from! - Douglas
Hofstadter ("Goedel, Escher, Bach", p. 37)
************************
"In the human brain, there is gullibility. How gullible are you? Is
your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain?
Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to
lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe
this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an
operation."
* Douglas Hofstadter
****************
"I never did believe in miracles,
but I've a feeling it's time to try.
I never did believe in the ways of magic,
but I'm beginning to wonder why."
*************************
We accept mathematical and psychological constructivism, but we go
further. We call our evolutionary philosophy physically constructive in
the sense that systems can only be understood in terms of the
(physical) processes which manifest them and by which they have been
assembled. This is certainly true for physical and biological systems,
but also holds for formal, symbolic, and semantic systems. In
particular, we hold that semantics, language, and mathematics must
always be understood in the context of the physical basis of their
operation---on the physical systems (e.g. sense organs, brains,
machines, computers) which transmit, receive, and especially interpret
physical tokens
******************************
"My main aim in this Chapter is to communicate some of the images which
help me to visualize how consciousness arises out of the jungle of
neurons; to communicate a set of intangible intuitions, in the hope
that these intuitions are valuable and may perhaps help others a little
to come to clearer formulations of their own images of what makes minds
run. I could not hope for more than that my own mind's blurry images
of minds and images should catalyze the formation of sharper images of
minds and images in other minds."
Douglas R. Hofstadter
"Godel, Escher, Bach", p. 686-687
**************
There before him, a glittering toy no Star-Child could resist,
floated the planet Earth with all its peoples.
He had returned in time.
Down there on that crowded globe,
the alarms would be flashing across the radar screens,
the great tracking telescopes would be searching the skies -
and history [as it had hitherto been known] would be drawing to a
close.
A thousand miles below,
he became aware that a slumbering cargo of death had awoken, and was
stirring sluggishly in its orbit.
The feeble energies it contained were no possible menace to him; but he
preferred a cleaner sky.
He put forth his will, and the circling megatons flowered in a silent
detonation that brought a brief false dawn to half the sleeping globe.
Then he waited, marshalling his thoughts and
brooding over his still untested powers. For though he was master of
the world, he was not quite sure what to do next.
But he would think of something.
"Oh, yes. I need to set the garbage out on the curb."
********
Blarp.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: God and curses |
17 Dec 2005 10:13:28 PM |
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THEY DID IT AGAIN, DAMMIT! THEY POSTED ME TO THE KOOKS GROUP W/O MY
PERMISSION. OH, FRABROUS DAY. CALOOT, CALAY.
I AM NOT A KOOK - RICHARD MITOWN NIXON, DECEASED
"TRISHA, GET THE F**K OFF THE PHONE! THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT CALL
COMING IN FROM THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!"
SICKNESS WILL SURELY TAKE THE MIND WHERE MINDS CAN'T USUALLY GO. COME
ON THE AMAZING JOURNEY, AND LEARN ALL YOU SHOULD KNOW, IF ENOUGH FOSSIL
FUEL IS LEFT TO GO ANYWHERE ANYMORE HERE IN THE YEAR 2011.
NONE CLIMBS SO HIGH AS S/HE WHO KNOWS NOT WHERE HE/SHE IS GOING.
1. FANTASTIC INSIGHT INTO THE TRUE NATURE OF REALITY IS ISOMORPHIC TO
INSANITY.
2. ARTHUR C. CLARKE WAS A PESSIMIST
3. CIVILIZATIONS DO NOT ADVANCE LINEARLY. THEY EXPLODE
TECHNOLOGICALLY, AND THANKFULLY SELF-ORGANIZATION HOLDS THEM TOGETHER.
THIS SENTENCE NO VERB.
THIS SENTIENCE IS FALSE.
HOFSTADTER IS HUNG-UP ON HIMSELF, BEHAVING SELF-REFERENTIALLY.
Here is an explanation of the difference between systems theory and
cybernetics, although cybernetics has taken over both definitions:
In fact, cybernetics and systems theory study essentially the same
problem, that of organization independent of the substrate in which it
is embodied. Insofar as it is meaningful to make a distinction between
the two approaches, we might say that systems theory has focused more
on the structure of systems and their models, whereas cybernetics has
focused more on how systems function, that is to say how they control
their actions, how they communicate with other systems or with their
own components, ... Since structure and function of a system cannot be
understood in separation, it is clear that cybernetics and systems
theory should be viewed as two facets of a single approach.
*********************************
ACHILLES: Oh, I should be delighted. That is, I should be delighted as
long as you're not going to try to snare me in one of your wicked traps
of logic, Mr. T.
TORTOISE: Wicked traps? Oh, you do me wrong. Would I do anything
wicked? I'm a peaceful soul, bothering nobody and leading a gentle,
herbivorous life. And my thoughts merely drift among the oddities and
quirks of how things are (as I see them) I, humble observer of
phenomena, plod along and puff my silly words into the air rather
unspectacularly, I am afraid. But to reassure you about my intentions,
I was only planning to speak of brains and minds this fine day and, as
you know, of course, those things have nothing--nothing whatsoever--to
do with logic!
************* *******************
http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/cosmology/1.html
The edge of the accessible universe is the causal horizon, a spherical
boundary centered on Earth with a radius of about 15 billion
light-years (the speed of light the age of the universe). Information
from beyond the causal horizon cannot reach us because there has not
been enough time since the Big Bang for any signal to travel so far,
even at the speed of light. But as the universe gets older, the horizon
moves out, bringing more of the unseen universe into view. What is the
nature of the "stuff" beyond the horizon? Lacking information and an
adequate physical theory of the Big Bang itself, cosmologists can only
speculate. Observers on a galaxy a billion light-years away from the
Earth could draw a similar causal horizon around themselves, but their
horizon would include parts of the universe that astronomers on Earth
would not be able to see. Given the assumption that observers see a
similar universe regardless of where they are, the part that we call
unseen must be similar to the part just inside our horizon. From this
argument cosmologists conclude that the part of the universe we can see
is embedded in a much larger universe of the same stuff, possibly
extending to infinity, or possibly not.
***********************
Complexity Theory states that critically interacting components
self-organize to form potentially evolving structures exhibiting a
hierarchy of emergent system properties.
***********************
Thomas Munnecke's, Riverside, Ca., letter to Scientific American,
August, 1981 (verbatim).
Sirs,
I am happy to see that there has been no response to Dr.
Hofstadter's column on self-reference ["Letters," SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN,
May]. Those who look at self-reference perch themselves precariously
on Ockham's Razor, tottering between hopeless confusion and fantastic
insight. One might as well open a dictionary and find, "recursion: see
recursion." He who is able to see recursion gains fresh insight into
it.
I am reminded of a conversation between an ancient philosopher,
Hee Hoo (whose epitaph reads , "Who is buried in Hoo's tomb?), and W.
V. Hee:
Hoo: What is a question that is also its own answer?
Hee: Why not, "Why not?"?
Hoo: "Why not?"? Why not!
**********************************************
"A Man should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a
hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts,
build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders,
cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch
manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently and
die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert A. Heinlein
****************************
Of course, there are cases where only a rare individual will have the
vision to perceive a system which governs many peoples' lives, a system
which had never before even been recognized as a system; then such
people often devote their lives to convincing other people that the
system really is there, and that it ought to be exited from! - Douglas
Hofstadter ("Goedel, Escher, Bach", p. 37)
************************
"In the human brain, there is gullibility. How gullible are you? Is
your gullibility located in some "gullibility center" in your brain?
Could a neurosurgeon reach in and perform some delicate operation to
lower your gullibility, otherwise leaving you alone? If you believe
this, you are pretty gullible, and should perhaps consider such an
operation."
* Douglas Hofstadter
****************
"I never did believe in miracles,
but I've a feeling it's time to try.
I never did believe in the ways of magic,
but I'm beginning to wonder why."
*************************
We accept mathematical and psychological constructivism, but we go
further. We call our evolutionary philosophy physically constructive in
the sense that systems can only be understood in terms of the
(physical) processes which manifest them and by which they have been
assembled. This is certainly true for physical and biological systems,
but also holds for formal, symbolic, and semantic systems. In
particular, we hold that semantics, language, and mathematics must
always be understood in the context of the physical basis of their
operation---on the physical systems (e.g. sense organs, brains,
machines, computers) which transmit, receive, and especially interpret
physical tokens
******************************
"My main aim in this Chapter is to communicate some of the images which
help me to visualize how consciousness arises out of the jungle of
neurons; to communicate a set of intangible intuitions, in the hope
that these intuitions are valuable and may perhaps help others a little
to come to clearer formulations of their own images of what makes minds
run. I could not hope for more than that my own mind's blurry images
of minds and images should catalyze the formation of sharper images of
minds and images in other minds."
Douglas R. Hofstadter
"Godel, Escher, Bach", p. 686-687
**************
There before him, a glittering toy no Star-Child could resist,
floated the planet Earth with all its peoples.
He had returned in time.
Down there on that crowded globe,
the alarms would be flashing across the radar screens,
the great tracking telescopes would be searching the skies -
and history [as it had hitherto been known] would be drawing to a
close.
A thousand miles below,
he became aware that a slumbering cargo of death had awoken, and was
stirring sluggishly in its orbit.
The feeble energies it contained were no possible menace to him; but he
preferred a cleaner sky.
He put forth his will, and the circling megatons flowered in a silent
detonation that brought a brief false dawn to half the sleeping globe.
Then he waited, marshalling his thoughts and
brooding over his still untested powers. For though he was master of
the world, he was not quite sure what to do next.
But he would think of something.
"Oh, yes. I need to set the garbage out on the curb."
********
Blarp.
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| User: "Jeff_Relf" |
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| Title: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth ? |
19 Dec 2005 02:30:15 PM |
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Hi Kurt Stocklmeir, You imagined:
Some of the Bible may have come from the devil.
Upon seeing Job's horrid, putrid state, his wife asked:
Dost thou still retain thine integrity ? Curse God, and die.
__ Job 2:9, KJV
From out of the whirlwind, Job's Lord asked:
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth ?
Declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest ?
Or who hath stretched the line upon it ?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened ?
Or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy ?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it broke forth,
as if it had issued out of the womb ?
__ Job 38:4-8, KJV
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