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"Franz Heymann" |
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21 Jun 2004 03:26:38 AM |
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Dayton Miller's data |
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another old
thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most readers,
unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post by
Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article sizing up
the Universe". The actual item has been renamed"Serious Faults in
Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental errors.
Franz
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
22 Jun 2004 05:26:58 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:<cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com>...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another old
thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most readers,
unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post by
Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article sizing up
the Universe". The actual item has been renamed"Serious Faults in
Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental errors.
Franz
Stunning. Facinating read.
The confusion about the difference between a ternary and binary system
is mildly amusing, too.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
21 Jun 2004 04:31:56 AM |
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"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another old
thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most readers,
unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post by
Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article sizing up
the Universe". The actual item has been renamed"Serious Faults in
Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental errors.
Franz
See
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=ce5e7813.0406010658.692a6b49@posting.google.com
I liked this one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=ce5e7813.0406191317.7199b17e@posting.google.com
:-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
21 Jun 2004 06:07:18 AM |
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:gWxBc.4318$4g7.2502@news.cpqcorp.net...
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old
thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most
readers,
unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post
by
Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article sizing
up
the Universe". The actual item has been renamed"Serious Faults in
Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
Franz
See
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=ce5e7813.0406010658.692a6b49@posting.google.com
I liked this one:
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=ce5e7813.0406191317.7199b17e@posting.google.com
:-)
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
Franz
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
21 Jun 2004 01:57:35 PM |
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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{snip the Dinky non comments}
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most
readers, unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post
by Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article
sizing up the Universe". The actual item has been renamed
"Serious Faults in Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new" issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the field.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
22 Jun 2004 01:27:00 AM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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{snip the Dinky non comments}
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
message
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There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of
most
readers, unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the
post
by Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article
sizing up the Universe". The actual item has been renamed
"Serious Faults in Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one
persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that
Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high
water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun
intended.)
I'm glad you agree with me.
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work
(or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone
asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new"
issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in
the field.
Could it be that nobody cared, because Dayton Miller's work had been
found to be irrelevant many decades ago?
What a feeble response. Do you really not have the moral fibre to
admit that Myxococcus has unearthed something worth while?
How about finding something quantitative to criticise in Myxococcus'
note?
Could it be that you have no real reply?
Franz
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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22 Jun 2004 11:09:52 AM |
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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{snip}
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that
Mingst is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or
high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun
intended.)
I'm glad you agree with me.
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work
(or even think about Myxo's assertions). However, they immediately
jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new"
issue was missed during decades of close examination by the
heavyweights in the field.
Could it be that nobody cared, because Dayton Miller's work had been
found to be irrelevant many decades ago?
Nope. Try history, instead of thoughtless invective and vitriol.
What a feeble response. Do you really not have the moral fibre to
admit that Myxococcus has unearthed something worth while?
I was responding to your knee-jerk ad hominems in this post. There was no
physics to respond to.
How about finding something quantitative to criticise in Myxococcus'
note?
I've already provided that directly to Myxo's post.
Could it be that you have no real reply?
Could it be that you can't read? Boyo, when all you and the bandwagon folks
post is personal attacks, why should you expect physics in return? I've
already posted a substantive reply to Myxo. Right now, I'm simply letting
out a few fathoms of rope. While you numbskulls dance and preen, without
ever stirring a neuron.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
22 Jun 2004 04:24:14 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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{snip}
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that
Mingst is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or
high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun
intended.)
I'm glad you agree with me.
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's
work
(or even think about Myxo's assertions). However, they
immediately
jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new"
issue was missed during decades of close examination by the
heavyweights in the field.
Could it be that nobody cared, because Dayton Miller's work had
been
found to be irrelevant many decades ago?
Nope. Try history, instead of thoughtless invective and vitriol.
What a feeble response. Do you really not have the moral fibre to
admit that Myxococcus has unearthed something worth while?
I was responding to your knee-jerk ad hominems in this post. There
was no
physics to respond to.
How about finding something quantitative to criticise in
Myxococcus'
note?
I've already provided that directly to Myxo's post.
Who do you think you fooled?
Could it be that you have no real reply?
Could it be that you can't read? Boyo, when all you and the
bandwagon folks
post is personal attacks, why should you expect physics in return?
If you had any physics to return, you would have done so. You did
not.
I've
already posted a substantive reply to Myxo.
If you have, it has not appeared in my post. All I have seen recently
from you were a bunch of vacuous *****.
Right now, I'm simply letting
out a few fathoms of rope. While you numbskulls dance and preen,
without
ever stirring a neuron.
Think on........think on.
Franz
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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24 Jun 2004 10:06:06 AM |
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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{snip higher levels and non-responses from Franz}
How about finding something quantitative to criticise in
Myxococcus' note?
I've already provided that directly to Myxo's post.
Who do you think you fooled?
I don't have to fool anyone.
Could it be that you have no real reply?
Could it be that you can't read? Boyo, when all you and the
bandwagon folks post is personal attacks, why should you
expect physics in return?
If you had any physics to return, you would have done so. You did
not.
I return physics to physics. Not physics to personal attacks. In this
case, Myxo is the only one posting anything appoaching physics.
I've
already posted a substantive reply to Myxo.
If you have, it has not appeared in my post. All I have seen recently
from you were a bunch of vacuous *****.
The standard Franz non-content.
Right now, I'm simply letting
out a few fathoms of rope. While you numbskulls dance and preen,
without ever stirring a neuron.
Think on........think on.
Well, that does it for Troll Franz in this thread, too.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Bruce Pew" |
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| Title: Re: Dayton Miller's data |
21 Jun 2004 06:08:09 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:<10dec1eml5ep1c@corp.supernews.com>...
Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb6fh5$3md$1@titan.btinternet.com...
{snip the Dinky non comments}
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most
readers, unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post
by Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article
sizing up the Universe". The actual item has been renamed
"Serious Faults in Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new" issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the field.
The error isn't "new". It has existed since Miller published his experimental data.
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| User: "greywolf42" |
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21 Jun 2004 07:39:06 PM |
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Bruce Pew <vanep@cox.net> wrote in message
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun
intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or
even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone
asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new" issue
was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the
field.
The error isn't "new". It has existed since Miller published his
experimental data.
I see Bruce doesn't want to miss the bandwagon. Adding a useless,
sophomoric, physics-free comment.
--
greywolf42
ubi dubium ibi libertas
{remove planet for return e-mail}
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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22 Jun 2004 01:27:01 AM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Bruce Pew <vanep@cox.net> wrote in message
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in
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All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that
Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high
water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun
intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's
work (or
even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as
anyone
asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new"
issue
was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights
in the
field.
The error isn't "new". It has existed since Miller published his
experimental data.
I see Bruce doesn't want to miss the bandwagon. Adding a useless,
sophomoric, physics-free comment.
We are all awaiting an argument replete with physics from you.
Get on with it or concede.
Franz
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| User: "Myxococcus xanthus" |
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21 Jun 2004 05:23:42 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:<10dec1eml5ep1c@corp.supernews.com>...
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new" issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the field.
1) You are a crockpot futilely attempting to smear shoe polish on the
Visions cookware. I have repeatedly observed that you yourself seem
never actually to have read Miller's work in the original. Or
Michelson's work. Or practically anybody else, for that matter.
2) I would be surprised if I actually were the first to have noticed
this anomaly in Miller's data. I consider it quite likely that I am
simply ignorant of some analysis published in the last 70 years which
has already explored this issue.
3) If, somehow or other, it turns out that I am indeed the first to
have noticed this anomaly, most likely it is because, for the most
part, very few people outside of the crockpot community are really
concerned about what Miller did or didn't claim about measuring ether
drift. Miller's work is justly ignored by mainstream physicists,
having repeatedly been proven to be not merely wrong, but totally
irrelevant.
Myxococcus xanthus
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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21 Jun 2004 02:16:50 PM |
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"greywolf42" <mingstb@marssim-ss.com> wrote in message news:10dec1eml5ep1c@corp.supernews.com...
Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb6fh5$3md$1@titan.btinternet.com...
{snip the Dinky non comments}
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most
readers, unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post
by Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article
sizing up the Universe". The actual item has been renamed
"Serious Faults in Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work. Even though this "new" issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the field.
Perhaps it was missed because every 'heavyweight in the field'
found Miller's "result" a non-issue to begin with.
Perhaps the 'heavyweights in the field' regarded Miller's "result"
as something that would only be taken seriously by quacks and
crackpots like Reich and DeMeo and 'lightweights along the
sideline' like you.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher" |
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22 Jun 2004 05:28:02 AM |
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greywolf42 wrote:
Franz Heymann <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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{snip the Dinky non comments}
"Franz Heymann" <notfranz.heymann@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:cb663t$jua$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
There is a most interesting article buried so deep in another
old thread that it iis very likely to escpe the attention of most
readers, unless a fresh explicit reference is made to it.
I would therefore like to draw readers' attention to the post
by Myxococcus on 21/06/04 at 00.48 in the thread "Re: Article
sizing up the Universe". The actual item has been renamed
"Serious Faults in Miller Data".
It shows what nonsense can be perpetrated when one persists in
scrabbling for valid data buried deep inside the experimental
errors.
All the contributions from Myxococcus serve to illustrate that Mingst
is a bigot with an agenda which he follows come hell or high water.
I think this pretty well identifies where the bigots lie. (Pun intended.)
Franz, Bjoern, Tom and Dinky haven't bothered to read Miller's work (or even
think about Myxo's assertions).
Why do you think so? I *did* think about what Myxo wrote. It made a lot
of sense, in contrast to your constant denials about what Miller plainly
said.
However, they immediately jump on the bandwagon as soon as anyone asserts
there is a "new" error in Miller's work.
I simply said that Myxo's work was well done. Do you have a problem with
one physicist congratulating one other?
Even though this "new" issue was
missed during decades of close examination by the heavyweights in the field.
I don't know how many "heavyweights" have looked at Miller's paper so far.
Bye,
Bjoern
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