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"becoming a god" |
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22 Mar 2005 09:34:29 AM |
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do electrons exsist |
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
so does electron really exsist?
if yes then why does it have a fixed position or porduces a quantum
cloud around the atom.
what happen to the electron in extreme gravity because it a wave
length does it get swashed into the atom and if so why when you
shorten it the energy become massive should it a escape
if no then how do we explain chemistry
so does electron exsist where the proof if they dont know where it is
then how do they know it exsist
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| User: "TenMonGaKuSha" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 07:34:22 PM |
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becoming a godwrote:
so does electron really exsist?
if yes then why does it have a fixed position or porduces a quantum
cloud around the atom.
what happen to the electron in extreme gravity because it a wave
length does it get swashed into the atom and if so why when you
shorten it the energy become massive should it a escape
if no then how do we explain chemistry
so does electron exsist where the proof if they dont know where it
is then how do they know it exsist
It is good to ask questions like these 'cause some of people think
that the answers are obvious but sometimes they aren't. Since this is
my first post in this forum I'll put a few words about myself..
Dragan from Serbia & Montenegro, age 21. Student of astronomy.
Ok...
An electron doesn't have fixed positions in an atom (at least it's
impossible to know/measure them). So, the wave function gives the
density of probability of finding the electron in space. Anyway, it
has quantitized magnitudes of momentum and energy so you can say that
electrons which are bound at the lower levels have pricesely
determined energy (only for stationary states).
What did you mean by this extreme gravity acting on electrons?
The best proof for the existing of electrons is the technical
equipment in your house. Have you ever heard of electricity? ;)
Milliken has even measured the magnitude of electron's charge in 1913
I think.
Sorry for my English. My mother language is Serbian so I may well make
some mistakes in these scientific expressions.
C ya
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
23 Mar 2005 01:55:20 PM |
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Takw away electrons from the micro realm,and what are you left with?
Feynman said if you only had one word to sum up the universe with that
word has to be "electron" Bert
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
23 Mar 2005 06:44:13 PM |
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Notice the atom cloud has a dipole .
The neutrons and protons orbit the intence low and can not go fast
enouph to get to the center as the intence waves and forard motion hold
them apart as they orbit as wavicals changing space in time.
The conductivity of electrons depends on the orbit belonging to two
atoms when without changing direction ( resistance ) from orbit to
orbit.
The more the electron must change direction to be in the next atoms
orbit is the conductivity resistance of the mass .
yet the electron is the wave the orbiting parts made . The waves gain
mass at C .
They can have more mass when on one side of an atom than on the other.
This electron orbit can be smashed pulled into star like shapes and
forced into strange diamond shapes jigged and wigged ad doing so
changes how much mass is where when and if there is more mass on one
side of the atom than the other the gain in mass will push the atom to
less mass.
Tao
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| User: "PDraper" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 10:06:44 AM |
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On 3/22/05 10:34 AM, in article 42403b05$1_1@127.0.0.1, "becoming a god"
<becomingagodo@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
so does electron really exsist?
if yes then why does it have a fixed position or porduces a quantum
cloud around the atom.
what happen to the electron in extreme gravity because it a wave
length does it get swashed into the atom and if so why when you
shorten it the energy become massive should it a escape
if no then how do we explain chemistry
so does electron exsist where the proof if they dont know where it is
then how do they know it exsist
Not knowing where it is does not mean that it isn't known that it exists.
If I have a basketball in a box and I hear it rattling around in there, I
know it's in the box but not where it is in the box.
Electrons have been seen outside the atom.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 11:00:11 PM |
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In sci.physics, PDraper
<pdraper@yahoo.com>
wrote
on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:06:44 -0500
<BE65ACC4.310E%pdraper@yahoo.com>:
On 3/22/05 10:34 AM, in article 42403b05$1_1@127.0.0.1, "becoming a god"
<becomingagodo@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
so does electron really exsist?
if yes then why does it have a fixed position or porduces a quantum
cloud around the atom.
what happen to the electron in extreme gravity because it a wave
length does it get swashed into the atom and if so why when you
shorten it the energy become massive should it a escape
if no then how do we explain chemistry
so does electron exsist where the proof if they dont know where it is
then how do they know it exsist
Not knowing where it is does not mean that it isn't known that it exists.
If I have a basketball in a box and I hear it rattling around in there, I
know it's in the box but not where it is in the box.
Electrons have been seen outside the atom.
And, if one has an older-model CRT monitor, are essential to
operation thereof. :-) (Even the newer ones need electrons,
to supply the current. I'm not up on the actual technology of
the display, though.)
[.sigsnip]
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "neutron" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 10:13:06 AM |
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On a sunny day (22 Mar 2005 09:34:29 -0600) it happened
becomingagodo@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (becoming a god) wrote in
<42403b05$1_1@127.0.0.1>:
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
so does electron really exsist?
It existz
if yes then why does it have a fixed position or porduces a quantum
cloud around the atom.
When they tried to pick it up with the pliers, first it slipped
and so they were 'uncertain' where it was.
This is what they refer to as the 'unzertainty priziple'
Then the next time it pulverized, and caused a big quantum cloud.
This is my current underztanding of kwantum phizics anywayz.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 12:58:28 PM |
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becoming a god wrote:
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
Postion and momentum are conjugate variables. You can know either one
to arbitrarily great accuracy.
so does electron really exsist?
Yeah.
[snip crap]
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher" |
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| Title: Re: do electrons exsist |
22 Mar 2005 11:14:36 AM |
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becoming a god wrote:
the quantum theory state that you can not trully know
where electron are in a atom that their only
proberbility of where it is at any time.
Actually, the probability amplitude density. ;-)
so does electron really exsist?
Yes.
if yes then why does it have a fixed position
It doesn't.
or porduces a quantum cloud around the atom.
Because it is described by a wave equation.
what happen to the electron in extreme gravity
because it a wave length
Huh?
does it get swashed into the atom
Err, why on earth should it?
and if so why when you
shorten it the energy become massive should it a escape
Incomprehensible.
if no then how do we explain chemistry
Huh? What exactly is there to explain?
so does electron exsist where the proof
You can see the traces it leaves in bubble chambers, for starters.
if they dont know where it is
then how do they know it exsist
Not knowing *exactly* where it is does by no means imply not
knowing that it exists.
[snip]
Bye,
Bjoern
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