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08 Aug 2005 10:07:52 AM |
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"Do Virtual Photons Exist?" |
"Do Virtual Photons Exist?"
"Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from
mediocre minds." - A. Einstein
The Aether was original conceived as a means of explaining
"forces acting at a distance" (i.e.- electric, magnetic, gravitation, et
al).
When the idea of the classical Aether was abandoned early in the century,
there
was a need to find another means of explaining these forces because, if it
were
not possible to explain them by some other means then it would be necessary
to
retain the Aether and the absolute reference frame it represented. The
elimination of that reference frame was an absolute imperative of the
political
agenda of the academic community. Fortunately, the advent of quantum theory
allowed Dr. Feynmann to generate the idea that these forces were produced by
the
exchange of "virtual particles". These particles were so named because they
popped into and out of existence for periods of time that were so short that
the
rules of quantum physics insured that their temporary existence did not
violate
the Law of Conservation of Energy.
It is easy to understand how these particles could provide a
force over a distance. A "virtual particle" emitted from one point would
absorb
momentum and travel ballistically to another where it would release that
momentum. The net result would be force acting between the points. The
situation
is analogous to the effect observed when two athletes throw a medicine ball
back
and forth to each other. Difficulty with the analogy is that the throwing of
the
medicine ball can only produce a repulsive force; it cannot produce an
attractive force! The mathematics associated with the force production by
"virtual particles" particles, however, does allow for the production of
attractive forces, but, since no explanation as to how this is possible is
provided, one is left with the suspicion that this is another example of a
solution where an effect that is allowed by the mathematics involved is
being
used outside of the constraints imposed by the physical realities of the
problem. These realities require a rather unusual exchange of momentum to be
involved. In order to produce the attractive force, the "virtual photon"
would
have to be launched with a momentum represented by a propagation direction
away
from its target, reverse its momentum (direction of travel), go past its
target
and repeat the process so as to acquire a momentum in the required direction
as
it struck the target from behind. (If anyone can provide a different
explanation
I would like to hear it.) Of course, if the "virtual photon" were
propagating
through a medium, such as the Aether, there would be no conceptual problem,
the
"virtual particle could make the necessary exchange of momentum with the
medium.
(A boomerang returns to the thrower because it exchanges momentum with a
medium,
air. But then, if the Aether were present we would have no need to consider
the
existence of "virtual photons".
There is no need to resort to theoretical arguments, however.
If virtual photons produce electric and magnetic forces, they should be
observable. Consider a large electromagnet, such as is used in an MIR
machine. A
recent news report described an unfortunate incident where a steel oxygen
bottle
was not properly mounted to its wall bracket. The magnetic field of the MIR
pulled the bottle to the machine and killed a boy who was being scanned. It
is
obvious that the room was filled with a large and extremely powerful
magnetic
field. If "virtual photons" were present in that room, they would have
produced
a level of electromagnetic interference that would scream their presence. If
electric and magnetic forces were produced by "virtual photons", they would
have
to also effect any electromagnetic detectors in their vicinity and one would
expect that both natural and man-made electric and magnetic fields would
render
electromagnetic communication impossible.
An experiment is described in Chapter 4 of "The Einstein Hoax"
in which a strong electric field is produced inside of an evacuated chamber
and
an antenna is located between the electrodes. Using a radiation detector
that
covers the entire spectrum would allow the detection of any spurious photons
that acted to produce the attractive force. Its a simple experiment and is
one
which should be performed it science is to accept "virtual photons" as
meaningful.
The source material for this posting may be found in
http://einsteinhoax/hoax.htm ("The Einstein Hoax" {1997});
http://einsteinhoax/gravity.htm; ("Gravity" {1987}); and
http://einsteinhoax/relcor.htm ("Corrections to Special Relativity" {1997}).
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: "Do Virtual Photons Exist?" |
08 Aug 2005 12:18:30 PM |
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Htlaeh wrote:
"Do Virtual Photons Exist?"
"Great spirits have always encountered violent oppositions from
mediocre minds." - A. Einstein
Oh the delicious irony of that quotation!
[snip ignorant crap]
http://www.freefarts.com/farts.html
Move cursor over blinkers to hear Retic's lecture.
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer retic (Ernest Wittke),
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete3.png
http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/
http://www.meninhats.com/d/20040430.html
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
http://b5.sdvc.uwyo.edu/bab5/snds/argcstpd.wav
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>
The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999)
[snip]
Hey, stooopid spammer Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of
the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or
three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic
corrections being applied. NAVSTAR Block II GPS satellites (currently
being launched as replacements) have two rubidium and two cesium
atomic clocks.
Internal inconsistencies in SR (meaning inconsistencies of a purely
mathematical logical nature) automatically lead to contradictions in
number theory, itself, and arithmetic, since the mathematics of
Minkowski geometry is equiconsistent with the theory of real numbers
and with arithmetic.
<http://optoelectronics.perkinelmer.com/content/Datasheets/rfs2f.pdf>
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation
<http://wugrav.wustl.edu/people/CMW/update98.pdf>
<http://www.astro.northwestern.edu/AspenW04/Papers/lorimer1.pdf>
<http://www.vallis.org/publications/tesidott.pdf>
Equivalence Principle testing
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0111236
Geometric structure of reality
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0103044
http://arXiv.org/abs/hep-th/0307140
GR structure, especially Part 4/p. 7
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
<http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/SR/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
<http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti2002/paper20.pdf>
Nature 425 374 (2003)
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/index.html>
Relativity in the GPS system
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Amer. J. Phys. 71 770 (2003)
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 121101 (2004)
falling light
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
<http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/pdf/flying_clock_math.pdf>
http://metrologyforum.tm.agilent.com/cesium.shtml
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0008012
Hafele-Keating Experiment
http://www.hawaii.edu/suremath/SRtwinParadox.html
<http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/LIGHTCONE/twins.html>
Twin Paradox
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-5/index.html>
<http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1473_1.asp>
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0405160
Black hole evaporation
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0409089
Spin-2 gravitons have problems
<http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.physics.strings/msg/ba31a00f5f26277a>
(so does the proposal)
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0411113
<http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/pdf/prl83-3585.pdf>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0301024
Phys. Rev. Lett. 93 261101 (2004)
Nordtvedt Effect
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403292
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310723
WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Survey
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175
Dark matter candidates
<http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/frames.html>
Carroll on what it all means.
Special Relativity is physics on a topologically trivial Lorentzian
manifold with a metric whose curvature tensor is zero. This is a
perfectly diffeomorphism-invariant condition and does not require
any particular coordinate choice. It is invariant under
the full group of diffeomorphisms. The Poincare group is
the group of *isometries* of the metric in special relativity.
The Special Relativity metric is *non-dynamical* (unlike GR). It
defines the coupling *constants* of your theory. If you change the
metric in any nontrivial way you are changing your theory. An
operation can only be called a "symmetry" of a special-relativistic
(non-gravitational) theory if it preserves the metric, and therefore
the symmetry of special-relativistic theories is the Poincare group
only. General Relativity (gravitation) has a dynamic metric.
NIM A 355 537 (1995)
Physics Letters B 328 103 (1994)
Physical Review Letters 64 1697 (1990)
Physical Review Letters 39 1051 (1977)
Physical Review 135 B1071 (1964)
Physics Letters 12 260 (1964)
Europhysics Letters 56(2) 170-174 (2001)
General Relativity and Gravitation 34(9) 1371 (2002)
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
<http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/ae_1905_error.htm>
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
Longitudinal and transverse mass
Physics Today 58(3) 34 (2005)
Time passage, equator vs. poles
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0306076.pdf
<http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/gps/absolute-gps-1meter-3.ASP>
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
If anyone
provides a significant rebuttal that cannot be objectively answered, the
material at the Website will be withdrawn.
Right, like your head has ever been withdrawn from your ***** - even
when you *****.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: "Do Virtual Photons Exist?" |
08 Aug 2005 10:27:32 AM |
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Htlaeh wrote:
"Do Virtual Photons Exist?"
Thanks for registering "The Einstein Hoax" at crank dot net.
http://www.google.com/search?q=einstein+hoax+site%3Awww.crank.net
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: "Do Virtual Photons Exist?" |
09 Aug 2005 03:48:07 AM |
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Hi Sam I( always thought photons nature used for light,and virtual
photons she used for magnetisim. Do you find fault with this? Bert
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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09 Aug 2005 04:19:45 AM |
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G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote:
Hi Sam I( always thought photons nature used for light,and virtual
photons she used for magnetisim. Do you find fault with this? Bert
Yup! I find fault with this. Herb, you don't know beans about
physics, but I suppose it's fun for you to speculate, or whatever.
I see the shuttles skipping over you this time and will land at
Edwards AFB.
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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09 Aug 2005 09:09:02 AM |
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Hi Sam Science is my number one hobby. I like your criticism when you
throw Google at me. To bring beans in only shows me you are trying to
act cute,or snippy. You being a person that can't think theoretically
are jealous of people that can that is very understandable
In my astronomy group I let it be known Florida's weather this time of
year has to many lightning storms with heavy rain,and hail. That it
should land at Edwards . For NASA to do otherwise would only put more
blood on their hands. Time to junk the shuttles,and look back on the
last 26 years as a waste of lives,time,and money Reality is the shuttle
program was put together by the Calif. Mafia and corrupt politians. They
proved to us during those 26 years this "Life is cheap,but a buck is
still a buck" Now our problem is Sam How do we put them in jail ?
Bert
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| User: "Schoenfeld" |
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08 Aug 2005 10:20:29 AM |
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Htlaeh wrote:
"Do Virtual Photons Exist?"
The ghost universe they would have you believe is a mathematical
hocus-pocus (literally). Todays particle zoo is not much different than
yesterdays fire, earth, wind and water. Just a matter of accuracy I
guess.
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