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"BradGuth" |
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15 May 2007 09:31:51 PM |
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Earth will manage to get hotter |
In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
I honestly believe that our Earth is nearing an important crossroad of
affordably sustaining life as we know it. I'm thinking we either
accept our fate and go with the flow as we adapt the best we can, or
die trying. Since we can't all become rich and powerful, it's your
personal choice of continually doing absolutely nothing or doing
something constructive, even if it's merely thinking in a positive and
thus constructive minset sort of way. However, the very worse you can
possibly do is to favor the ongoing denaial of global warming, because
that kind of naysay mindset is only going to further expedite the
existing bad situation, that's clearly more than bad enough as it is.
Using that icy orb of Sedna, as for becoming situated within Earth's
L1, for obtaining a barely sufficient spot of solar shade (especially
once it's thick layer of surface ice is gone), is perhaps at best a
1000+ year plan, and at the present ongoing demise of our environment
and of it's badly failing magnetosphere, even if the relocation of
Sedna were technically and otherwise affordably doable, I believe we
do not have that thousand plus year option.
Doing nothing but cleaning up our terrestrial act is also not an
option unless a great deal of fusion energy or perhaps going deep for
that of extracting geothermal energy becomes the norm of giving us an
affordably clean 100 teraWatts to work with (on a global end-user
scale, $.01/kwhr is affordable, whereas $.10/kwhr is not going to be
affordable to the lower 90% of humanity). If all the "Ice Sheets
Melt", we're in a whole lot deeper GW trouble than merely having to
swim and otherwise eat jellyfish because, of what's coming around the
next corner is anything but all that survivable, unless the evolution
of our DNA becomes rad-hard, or we've become as rich and powerful as
GW Bush, ***** Cheney and Exxon.
I honestly believe this argument on behalf of blocking out a
sufficient portion of our sun is all about sustaining and/or improving
the quality of life as we know it. If that focus or motive on behalf
of salvaging whatever's left of our badly failing environment takes on
the Guth lose cannon form of accomplishing my LSE-CM/ISS, or that of
my VL2 POOF City as part of the ultimate game plan, while our moon is
gradually getting relocated to Earth's L1, then so be it.
As to the perfectly valid argument(s) or honest topic jest of
artificially blocking out a little more than sufficient portion of our
sun, as such this substantial plan of action is all about sustaining
and/or improving the quality of all life.
Not exactly sure how I'd gotten that first round of those numbers off
by so much, but once again, according to another fresh run of my PC/
CAD program with the following items;
Our sun at given a fairly robust 700,000,000 m radius
Earth along w/50 km atmosphere at 6,428,000 m radius
That salty old moon at the usual 1,738,000 m radius
Earth's L1 placement of the moon at 1,537,600,000 m
A given surface location could perceive a 5.92% reduction, however
incorporating the whole realm of mother Earth is not nearly so
impressive, whereas the actual global worth of that solar isolation
factor, if to be including our badly polluted atmosphere, should
become much less than of that spot amount, perhaps worth as little as
1.645% or -22.5 w/m2) as having been derived by our moon parked at
Earth's L1, as well as having accomplished a whole lot less of those
pesky tidal issues, and of those remaining tides should otherwise
become very consistent. The best tidal estimate that I can accomplish
thus far, is coming up with the moderated new and improved sun + (moon
at Earth L1) as becoming worth 50.4% of our existing lunar tide.
A 50% reduction in tidal action is perhaps a little less important to
ocean and other terrestrial life than we've been giving it credit.
Most tidal accommodated life can manage to adapt, some of which
getting by along with a little of our best intelligent design, as
transitional habitat help wherever necessary.
This moon relocation process of getting that mascon situated out to
Earth's L1 (roughly 4X further away than it's current orbital trek
that has been doing us more harm than good) is going to take a century
or more, and therefore I'm not some evil messenger from hell that's
imposing an overnight change upon whatever terrestrial life that we
know of, that has attached its life endurance to our existing lunar
cycle and ocean tidal issues.
There will be some unfortunate extinctions of life which simply can
not adapt, though hopefully humanity will not become one of those.
However, at the very same time, other existing species that are
currently finding it downright difficult or nearly impossible to
survive as is, as such will likely bloom or otherwise better populate
under the greatly improved conditions of their having less terrestrial
trauma to deal with.
A measured reduction in global warming (in good part due to the solar
isolation afforded by the moon itself), along with having accomplished
much less gravity/tidal trauma taking place (inside and out), is what
should by rights benefit most all known species of life on Earth
(hopefully just short of bringing on another ice age).
What we honestly need most for this daunting task of relocating our
moon to Earth's L1, is having that spendy supercomputer running all of
its parallel CPUs off the charts, doing exactly whatever's necessary
for figuring out what's doable, and otherwise telling us whatever else
needs to be avoided at all cost. If you should happen to have such
supercomputer access, and wouldn't terribly mind running off a few of
these weird ideas, as such I'd like to see a few of those what-if
results in 3D animation.
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Brad Guth
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| User: "Hagar" |
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| Title: Re: Earth will manage to get hotter |
16 May 2007 05:03:00 PM |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
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In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
snip <
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
That would indicate that the whole GW hullabaloo is a bunch of voodoo
science, reminiscent of the predicted doomsday Y2K fiasco, which also never
materialized.
We're going through a cycle and that's all there is to it. A little heat
wave is an inconvenience, but the subsequent ice age (and that is also part
of the cycle, once the oceanic conveyor belt comes to a sloshing halt) is
what those enviro-whacko-dippos should be worried about.
No amount of hand wringing or Al Gore inspired billion dollar spending
sprees will have any effect on the natural fluctuations of the grander
scheme of the Universe.
The following space is reserved for the banal comments of the Dynamic
DecoDuck Duo. Knock yourselves out, pheathered phuckers.
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| User: "John \C" |
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16 May 2007 06:10:05 PM |
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179282711.445083.34020@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
snip <
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
That would indicate that the whole GW hullabaloo is a bunch of voodoo
science, reminiscent of the predicted doomsday Y2K fiasco, which also
never
materialized.
We're going through a cycle and that's all there is to it. A little heat
wave is an inconvenience, but the subsequent ice age (and that is also
part
of the cycle, once the oceanic conveyor belt comes to a sloshing halt) is
what those enviro-whacko-dippos should be worried about.
No amount of hand wringing or Al Gore inspired billion dollar spending
sprees will have any effect on the natural fluctuations of the grander
scheme of the Universe.
The following space is reserved for the banal comments of the Dynamic
DecoDuck Duo. Knock yourselves out, pheathered phuckers.
Oh they will, rest assured.
HJ
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| User: "T Wake" |
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16 May 2007 06:40:18 PM |
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179282711.445083.34020@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
snip <
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Do you have a citation? When you say "just" when was this?
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| User: "Hagar" |
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16 May 2007 08:23:00 PM |
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179282711.445083.34020@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
snip <
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Do you have a citation? When you say "just" when was this?
Will that do ??
http://newsbusters.org/node/12762
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 May 2007 06:27:07 AM |
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"Hagar" <hsahm@surewest.net> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"BradGuth" <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179282711.445083.34020@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
In spite of ourselves, "Earth is going to get itself even hotter".
snip <
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are
warming at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Do you have a citation? When you say "just" when was this?
Will that do ??
http://newsbusters.org/node/12762
Actually no, that is a (ahem) news release. It contains nothing but
assertions. It is far from unbiased and the comments indicate the nature of
the site.
Following it's links, however, I found
"Hammel, H. B., and G. W. Lockwood, 2007. Suggestive correlations between
the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature,
Geophysical Research Letters, 34, L08203, doi:10.1029/2006GL028764."
Now, as I am sure you are interested in good science, then the abstract of
from this (Which can be found at:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006GL028764.shtml) might be of more
interest than jingoistic diatribes:
Long-term photometric measurements of Neptune show variations of brightness
over half a century. Seasonal change in Neptune's atmosphere may partially
explain a general rise in the long-term light curve, but cannot explain its
detailed variations. This leads us to consider the possibility of
solar-driven changes, i.e., changes incurred by innate solar variability
perhaps coupled with changing seasonal insolation. Although correlations
between Neptune's brightness and Earth's temperature anomaly-and between
Neptune and two models of solar variability-are visually compelling, at this
time they are not statistically significant due to the limited degrees of
freedom of the various time series. Nevertheless, the striking similarity of
the temporal patterns of variation should not be ignored simply because of
low formal statistical significance. If changing brightnesses and
temperatures of two different planets are correlated, then some planetary
climate changes may be due to variations in the solar system environment.
Sadly, I don't have access to the full report and I am not going to pay
$9.99 to argue the toss if you couldn't be bothered to find the real article
in the first place.
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| User: "Paul F. Dietz" |
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17 May 2007 08:01:34 AM |
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T Wake wrote:
["..."] Nevertheless, the striking similarity of
the temporal patterns of variation should not be ignored simply because of
low formal statistical significance. [..."]
In other words, 'the mathematics says we can't draw this
conclusion, but we will anyway'.
Changes in the solar constant can be ruled out as a cause
of the recently observed warming, btw.
Paul
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 May 2007 11:41:33 AM |
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"Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:
["..."] Nevertheless, the striking similarity of the temporal patterns of
variation should not be ignored simply because of low formal statistical
significance. [..."]
In other words, 'the mathematics says we can't draw this
conclusion, but we will anyway'.
Yes :-)
Changes in the solar constant can be ruled out as a cause
of the recently observed warming, btw.
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| User: "kT" |
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17 May 2007 11:43:37 AM |
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T Wake wrote:
["..."] Nevertheless, the striking similarity of the temporal patterns of
variation should not be ignored simply because of low formal statistical
significance. [..."]
In other words, 'the mathematics says we can't draw this
conclusion, but we will anyway'.
Yes :-)
Hey look, it's an honest kook!
Changes in the solar constant can be ruled out as a cause
of the recently observed warming, btw.
--
Get A Free Orbiter Space Flight Simulator :
http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/orbit.html
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 May 2007 12:14:24 PM |
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"kT" <cosmic@lifeform.org> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:
["..."] Nevertheless, the striking similarity of the temporal patterns
of variation should not be ignored simply because of low formal
statistical significance. [..."]
In other words, 'the mathematics says we can't draw this
conclusion, but we will anyway'.
Yes :-)
Hey look, it's an honest kook!
Thank you.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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16 May 2007 05:27:52 PM |
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Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Please cite evidence for "at about the same rate"!
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| User: "Paul F. Dietz" |
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17 May 2007 07:59:29 AM |
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Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Why do you idiots keep repeating canards like this? It's been thoroughly
debunked.
Paul
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| User: "Hagar" |
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17 May 2007 10:08:36 AM |
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"Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message
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Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Why do you idiots keep repeating canards like this? It's been thoroughly
debunked.
Paul
Because other idiots, claiming scientific evidence, are posting it all over
the news, idiot.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 May 2007 11:43:52 AM |
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"Hagar" <hagen@sahm.name> wrote in message
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"Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message
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Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are
warming at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Why do you idiots keep repeating canards like this? It's been thoroughly
debunked.
Because other idiots, claiming scientific evidence, are posting it all
over the news, idiot.
The site you linked to was hardly what could be called a "news" site and it
is interesting that most of the commenters there (and you) seem to have
picked up on one aspect of the study while nicely ignoring the rest.
Ironic really, isn't it... You may want to look over
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/ as well. The science is
reasonably easy for most people to get a handle on.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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17 May 2007 10:38:54 AM |
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Hagar wrote:
"Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message
news:w-6dncOQaIkvzNHbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@dls.net...
Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are warming
at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Why do you idiots keep repeating canards like this? It's been thoroughly
debunked.
Paul
Because other idiots, claiming scientific evidence, are posting it all over
the news, idiot.
Please cite evidence for "at about the same rate"!
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| User: "T Wake" |
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17 May 2007 11:46:16 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Hagar wrote:
"Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net> wrote in message
news:w-6dncOQaIkvzNHbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@dls.net...
Hagar wrote:
Astronomers just discovered that Mars and even remote Neptune are
warming at about the same rate as god ole mother Earth.
Why do you idiots keep repeating canards like this? It's been
thoroughly
debunked.
Paul
Because other idiots, claiming scientific evidence, are posting it all
over the news, idiot.
Please cite evidence for "at about the same rate"!
If you squint a bit then ignore inconsistencies and differences, the data
from the Neptune study could be loosely described as "about" the same rate.
The fact is though, it isn't.
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| User: "Paul F. Dietz" |
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17 May 2007 05:42:57 PM |
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Hagar wrote:
Because other idiots, claiming scientific evidence, are posting it all over
the news, idiot.
I really hope you show more sense running your own life than you
do with this subject. You're a very gullible and stupid person.
Paul
PS: Ok, I lied about the 'really hope' part.
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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16 May 2007 11:51:34 PM |
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Isn't denial such a wonderful faith-based thing. I think such denial
and otherwise evidence exclusion was also a little pesky problem of
Hitler's, as well as being one of the problems with our resident LLPOF
warlord(GW Bush).
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Brad Guth
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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21 May 2007 03:33:24 AM |
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Getting a little global shade the hard way; but without question it's
more than worth it because, there's a whole lot more at stake, and
otherwise at a rather nifty investment return here than merely
obtaining that nicely diffused spot of shade.
3X L2 (moon L2X3) Tethered Tug = solar isolation worthy of -22.5 w/m2
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
A basalt tethered mass (easily made from and otherwise extracted
entirely from the moon) of accommodating 1e12 kg placed at 194,100 km
away from the backside of the moon, or essentially 578,500 km from
Earth, that's moving along at 1539.556 km/s = 4.097e15 N (4.178e14 kg
or 9.211e14 lbs) of force just to start off with.
Perhaps the honest notions of our utilizing a tethered tug of merely
4.097e15 N worth of applied force, as such only has its off-world
meaning to those few of us with actual remorse, and for otherwise
those of us as having given an honest tinkers damn worth of our
compassion towards salvaging this badly damaged environment of Earth,
of an environment that's simply not going to sustain itself, and
without intervention is only going to get itself hotter as time and
that nearby mascon of a moon accomplishes its unavoidable GW(global
warming) thing.
Of course, this greater than monumental effort of relocating our moon
isn't going to transpire overnight, or even within the next few years,
as it'll demand a good decade of creating those substantial basalt
fiber tethers and of mostly robotics subsequently relocating 1e12 kg
of that moon out towards the 3X worth of or moon's L2 (roughly 194,100
km away from the backside). As the moon gets with the agenda of
moving out, either additional mass is further contributed or otherwise
allowed to drift away from that tethered CM(counter mass), thereby
giving us a fully interactive method of control over every km step of
the way towards Earth's L1.
The moon's new and improved L1 of accommodating the greatly extended
LSE-CM/ISS (w/tether dipole element that could reach to within 2r of
mother Earth) will become part of the moon's parking brake,
interactively deployed upon approaching the relative gravity
nullification or quiet zone of Earth's L1. This LSE-CM/ISS will a;so
have been a major robotic task, taking up most of the century in order
to accomplish. Of course on behalf of complying with all that's NASA/
Apollo; as an honest pun for good measure, we plan upon suspending
those regular laws of physics pertaining to whatever's anticathode or
otherwise the least bit reactive and/or electrostatic (Van Allen belt
like) collective about our physically dark and nasty moon, that'll go
along quite nicely with our unproven fly-by-rocket landers and those
unfiltered cameras as having such ***** poor dynamic range and
otherwise no color spectrum sensitivity issues, goes without question.
This multi-task application of tethers and various placements of mass
might not demand nearly as much applied mass as I've suggested,
instead possibly as little as 1e9 kg at 3X L2, but it's still going to
be seriously spendy. There are far more positive considerations than
negative, and the greater values per each positive consideration is
worth at least 10 fold more than each negative aspect.
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Brad Guth
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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21 May 2007 10:04:57 AM |
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BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
Getting a little global shade the hard way; but without question it's
more than worth it because, there's a whole lot more at stake, and
No one read this the first five times around, Vern.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief
"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
-- Brad Guth, bigoted racist
"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"
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21 May 2007 05:41:26 PM |
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On May 21, 1:33 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
Getting a little global shade the hard way; but without question it's
more than worth it because, there's a whole lot more at stake, and
otherwise at a rather nifty investment return here than merely
obtaining that nicely diffused spot of shade.
3X L2 (moon L2X3) Tethered Tug = solar isolation worthy of -22.5 w/m2http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
A basalt tethered mass (easily made from and otherwise extracted
entirely from the moon) of accommodating 1e12 kg placed at 194,100 km
away from the backside of the moon, or essentially 578,500 km from
Earth, that's moving along at 1539.556 km/s = 4.097e15 N (4.178e14 kg
or 9.211e14 lbs) of force just to start off with.
Perhaps the honest notions of our utilizing a tethered tug of merely
4.097e15 N worth of applied force, as such only has its off-world
meaning to those few of us with actual remorse, and for otherwise
those of us as having given an honest tinkers damn worth of our
compassion towards salvaging this badly damaged environment of Earth,
of an environment that's simply not going to sustain itself, and
without intervention is only going to get itself hotter as time and
that nearby mascon of a moon accomplishes its unavoidable GW(global
warming) thing.
Of course, this greater than monumental effort of relocating our moon
isn't going to transpire overnight, or even within the next few years,
as it'll demand a good decade of creating those substantial basalt
fiber tethers and of mostly robotics subsequently relocating 1e12 kg
of that moon out towards the 3X worth of or moon's L2 (roughly 194,100
km away from the backside). As the moon gets with the agenda of
moving out, either additional mass is further contributed or otherwise
allowed to drift away from that tethered CM(counter mass), thereby
giving us a fully interactive method of control over every km step of
the way towards Earth's L1.
The moon's new and improved L1 of accommodating the greatly extended
LSE-CM/ISS (w/tether dipole element that could reach to within 2r of
mother Earth) will become part of the moon's parking brake,
interactively deployed upon approaching the relative gravity
nullification or quiet zone of Earth's L1. This LSE-CM/ISS will a;so
have been a major robotic task, taking up most of the century in order
to accomplish. Of course on behalf of complying with all that's NASA/
Apollo; as an honest pun for good measure, we plan upon suspending
those regular laws of physics pertaining to whatever's anticathode or
otherwise the least bit reactive and/or electrostatic (Van Allen belt
like) collective about our physically dark and nasty moon, that'll go
along quite nicely with our unproven fly-by-rocket landers and those
unfiltered cameras as having such ***** poor dynamic range and
otherwise no color spectrum sensitivity issues, goes without question.
This multi-task application of tethers and various placements of mass
might not demand nearly as much applied mass as I've suggested,
instead possibly as little as 1e9 kg at 3X L2, but it's still going to
be seriously spendy. There are far more positive considerations than
negative, and the greater values per each positive consideration is
worth at least 10 fold more than each negative aspect.
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Brad Guth
How to pay for relocating our moon.
In spite of all the usual topic/author stalking, bashings and as much
banishment imposed as possible, it seems the physics of relocating our
moon to Earth's L1 is technically doable.
Like taxing booze and tobacco products to death, another 10% excise
tax applied onto the global end-user cost of all forms of energy
should more than pay for this project. That way those that use or
otherwise squander the most energy get to pay the most (seems fair).
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Brad Guth
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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21 May 2007 07:08:22 PM |
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BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
How to pay for relocating our moon.
In spite of all the usual topic/author stalking, bashings and as much
banishment imposed as possible, it seems the physics of relocating our
moon to Earth's L1 is technically doable.
Like taxing booze and tobacco products to death, another 10% excise
tax applied onto the global end-user cost of all forms of energy
should more than pay for this project. That way those that use or
otherwise squander the most energy get to pay the most (seems fair).
As Vern declareth, so mote it be!
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Causation of gravity is missing frame field always attempting
renormalization back to base memory of equalized uniform momentum."
-- nightbat the saucerhead-in-chief
"Of doing Venus in person would obviously incorporate a composite
rigid airship, along with it's internal cache of frozen pizza and
ice cold beer."
-- Brad Guth, bigoted racist
"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"
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21 May 2007 08:24:43 PM |
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"Art Deco" <erfc@caballista.org> wrote in message
so mote it be!
Are you a member of the "Secret Sign Bois" (Masons)?
HJ
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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21 May 2007 07:53:16 PM |
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In article <210520071808223273%erfc@caballista.org>,
Art Deco <erfc@caballista.org> wrote:
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
How to pay for relocating our moon.
In spite of all the usual topic/author stalking, bashings and as much
banishment imposed as possible, it seems the physics of relocating our
moon to Earth's L1 is technically doable.
Like taxing booze and tobacco products to death, another 10% excise
tax applied onto the global end-user cost of all forms of energy
should more than pay for this project. That way those that use or
otherwise squander the most energy get to pay the most (seems fair).
As Vern declareth, so mote it be!
I'm sorry Brad this is abuse. If you want an argument, its room 12.
--
COOSN-174-07-82116: Official Science Team mascot and alt.astronomy's favourite
poster (from a survey taken of the saucerhead high command).
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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21 May 2007 07:52:05 PM |
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In article <1179787286.595554.315490@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
How to pay for relocating our moon.
In spite of all the usual topic/author stalking, bashings and as much
banishment imposed as possible, it seems the physics of relocating our
moon to Earth's L1 is technically doable.
Like taxing booze and tobacco products to death, another 10% excise
tax applied onto the global end-user cost of all forms of energy
should more than pay for this project. That way those that use or
otherwise squander the most energy get to pay the most (seems fair).
You really are incongruent with reality.
--
COOSN-174-07-82116: Official Science Team mascot and alt.astronomy's favourite
poster (from a survey taken of the saucerhead high command).
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
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| User: "John \C" |
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21 May 2007 08:25:40 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@gmail.com> wrote in message
You really are incongruent with reality.
You really are incongruent with real scientists!
HJ
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23 May 2007 02:06:10 AM |
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Why the heck are a few select groups of Usenet so often going down for
the count, especially as of nearly everytime folks like myself manage
to contribute a little something special and truth-worthy?
Is having to robo moderate on behalf of keeping the rest of the world
from knowing the truth, as for such taking up that much of GOOGLEs CPU
resources?
As of lately, GOOGLE/Usenet is seriously sucking and blowing its
infomercial spewing butt-cheeks in their own MI/NSA wind, meaning that
the current levels of their intellectual flatulance is running fairly
high. Otherwise meaning that new and improved topic contributions of
those most recent of updates are either delaied for hours and/or
getting robo-excluded on the fly, while other parts of Usenet are
functioning within their normal way.
So, in addition to my email accounts having been trashed and otherwise
of having files getting stealth modified and/or remote deleted is par
for the topic/author stalking and banishment course. And you folks
thought I was kidding about the Third Reich and of their Jewish
mindset friends. (fraid not)
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31 May 2007 05:35:33 AM |
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In spite of my newer or more recent posting, GOOGLE/NOVA/Usenet
remains stuck on keeping it's infomercial spewing fuckology queen on
top of the topic stack. I'm not the least bit surprised, are you?
At the same time my emails are getting diverted, and even calls to my
home telephone are under raps of getting moderated by those tricky
***** MI/NSA~CIA spooks and moles. It's entirely a bloody wonder much
of anything that's even half honest gets to survive within this anti-
think-tank of such an Old Testament thumping mindset, of such an
infomercial spewing Usenet from their naysay hell.
In spite of all the usual Old Testament orchestrated flak, there's
still new and improved science popping up just about everywhere. Too
bad our faith-based and koran thumping fools can't deal with anything
that's off-world, much less deal with the truth.
And we have yet another interesting perspective, as based upon the
regular laws of physics and deductively interpreted from the best
available science. Besides our moon being more than a little salty, I
wonder how much of our moon is offering the element carbon?
Warhol: Earth Tilted 23.5 Degrees
http://www.tiltedearth.org/
The end of the ice age happened suddenly... 12497 years ago and
Atlantis was destroyed by floods... The end had come, since none
didn't want to believe the warnings of the sudden cometh that would
tilt earth out its axe with sun and provoke the meltdown of all the
ice of the world till this day...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2083758,00.html
Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen(atlantiers)
Scientists will outline dramatic evidence this week that suggests a
comet exploded over the Earth nearly 13,000 years ago, creating a
hail
of fireballs that set fire to most of the northern hemisphere.
Primitive Stone Age cultures were destroyed and populations of
mammoths and other large land animals, such as the mastodon, were
wiped out. The blast also caused a major bout of climatic cooling
that
lasted 1,000 years and seriously disrupted the development of the
early human civilisations that were emerging in Europe and Asia.
'This comet set off a shock wave that changed Earth profoundly,' said
Arizona geophysicist Allen West. 'It was about 2km-3km in diameter
and
broke up just before impact, setting off a series of explosions, each
the equivalent of an atomic bomb blast. The result would have been
hell on Earth. Most of the northern hemisphere would have been left
on
fire.'
The theory is to be outlined at the American Geophysical Union
meeting
in Acapulco, Mexico. A group of US scientists that include West will
report that they have found a layer of microscopic diamonds at 26
different sites in Europe, Canada and America. These are the remains
of a giant carbon-rich comet that crashed in pieces on our planet
12,900 years ago, they say. The huge pressures and heat triggered by
the fragments crashing to Earth turned the comet's carbon into
diamond
dust. 'The shock waves and the heat would have been tremendous,' said
West. 'It would have set fire to animals' fur and to the clothing
worn
by men and women. The searing heat would have also set fire to the
grasslands of the northern hemisphere. Great grazing animals like the
mammoth that had survived the original blast would later have died in
their thousands from starvation. Only animals, including humans, that
had a wide range of food would have survived the aftermath.'
The scientists point out that archaeological evidence shows that
early
Stone Age cultures clearly suffered serious setbacks at this time. In
particular, American Stone Age hunters, descendants of the hunter-
gatherers who had migrated to the continent from Asia, vanished
around
this time.
These people were some of the fiercest hunters on Earth, men and
women
who made magnificent stone spearheads which they used to hunt animals
including the mammoth. Their disappearance at this time has been a
cause of intense debate, with climate change being put forward as a
key explanation. Now there is a new idea: the first Americans were
killed by a comet.
It was not just America that bore the brunt of the comet crash. At
this time, the Earth was emerging from the last Ice Age. The climate
was slowly warming, though extensive ice fields still covered higher
latitudes. The disintegrating comet would have plunged into these ice
sheets, causing widespread melting. These waters would have poured
into the Atlantic, disrupting its currents, including the Gulf
stream.
The long-term effect was a 1,000-year cold spell that hit Europe and
Asia.
The comet theory, backed by observational evidence collected by the
team, has excited considerable attention from other researchers,
following publication of an outline report of the work in Nature
'The magnitude of this discovery is so important,' team member James
Kennett, of the University of California, Santa Barbara, told the
journal. 'It explains three of the highest-debated controversies of
recent decades.'
These are the sudden disappearance of the first Stone Age people of
America, the disappearance of mammoths throughout much of Europe and
America and the sudden cooling of the planet, an event known as the
Younger-Dryas period. Various theories have been put forward to
explain these occurrences, but now scientists believe they have found
a common cause in a comet crash. However, the idea is still
controversial and the theory is bedevilled by problems in obtaining
accurate dates for the different events.
'We still have a long way to go,' admitted West. 'But we have a great
deal of evidence, from many sites, so this is quite a powerful case
that we are making.'
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Now that's what I call darn interesting stuff, although if given a
"2km-3km in diameter" worth of a mostly carbon comet at something more
or less than 0.8 g/cm3, or even if that comet were half iron, simply
is not in of itself as likely enough to have tilted Earth by more than
0.01 degree (if that much), that is unless it was part of something so
much larger and more robust that was directly impacting us at a
glancing blow, such as by a 4000 km icy proto moon of 8.5e22 kg.
Their analogy of whatever transpired as of 12,497 years ago does
however sound about right. Perhaps our having been impacted and
subsequently tilted into having seasons by way of encountering that
icy proto-moon has more than a little something to do with that
unfortunate encounter having brought along that carbon rich comet, as
having exploded near Earth and having set nearly half or more of our
terrestrial O2 rich environment on fire, while the deposited salty ice
from that arriving proto-moon was icing down and otherwise flooding
the other half of this planet. Without question, 12,497 years ago was
not exactly a very human friendly environment, even without an
exploding comet.
Too bad we're still not smart enough, or otherwise being allowed to
run any of this through a good set of supercomputer fortified
simulators. I guess it'll have to remain as a deep, dark and scary
secret because of all the likely boat-rocking of our terribly frail
faith-based status quo, it'll cause.
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Brad Guth
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"whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell
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20 May 2007 08:42:19 PM |
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Getting a little global shade the hard way; but it's more than worth
it.
3X-L2 (moon L2X3) Tethered Tug = solar isolation worthy of -22.5 w/m2
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf
A basalt tethered mass (easily made from and otherwise extracted
entirely from the moon) of accommodating 1e12 kg placed at 194,100 km
away from the backside of the moon, or essentially 578,500 km from
Earth, that's moving along at 1539.556 km/s = 4.097e15 N (4.178e14 kg
or 9.211e14 lbs) of force just to start off with.
Perhaps the honest notions of our utilizing a tethered tug of merely
4.097e15 N, as such only has its off-world meaning to those of us with
actual remorse, and for otherwise those of us having given an honest
tinkers damn worth of our compassion towards salvaging the badly
damaged environment of Earth, that's only going to get itself hotter
as time and that nearby mascon of a moon accomplishes its unavoidable
GW(global warming) thing.
Of course, this greater than monumental effort of relocating our moon
isn't going to transpire overnight, or even within the next few years,
as it'll demand a good decade of creating those substantial basalt
fiber tethers and of mostly robotics subsequently relocating 1e12 kg
of that moon out towards the 3X worth of or moon's L2 (roughly 194,100
km away from the backside). As the moon gets with the agenda of
moving out, either additional mass is further contributed or otherwise
allowed to drift away from that tethered CM(counter mass), thereby
giving us a fully interactive method of control over every km step of
the way towards Earth's L1.
The moon's new and improved L1 of accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS (w/
tether dipole element that could reach to within 2r of mother Earth)
will become part of the moon's parking brake, interactively deployed
upon approaching the relative gravity nullification or quiet zone of
Earth's L1. This LSE-CM/ISS too will have been a major robotic task,
taking up most of the century in order to accomplish.
BTW this multi-task application of tethers and various placements of
mass might not demand nearly as much applied mass as I've suggested,
but it's still going to be seriously spendy.
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20 May 2007 08:45:48 PM |
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In article <1179711739.520791.112060@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradguth@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW this multi-task application of tethers and various placements of
mass might not demand nearly as much applied mass as I've suggested,
but it's still going to be seriously spendy.
No ABSURD Brad, not "spendy"
--
COOSN-174-07-82116: Official Science Team mascot and alt.astronomy's favourite
poster (from a survey taken of the saucerhead high command).
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
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| User: "BradGuth" |
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21 May 2007 04:05:20 AM |
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On May 20, 6:45 pm, Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddled...@gmail.com>
wrote:
In article <1179711739.520791.112...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW this multi-task application of tethers and various placements of
mass might not demand nearly as much applied mass as I've suggested,
but it's still going to be seriously spendy.
No ABSURD Brad, not "spendy"
Will that's good news, as for a while there I was thinking of having
to spend a good trillion and some odd of those hard earned dollars per
year, or roughly $150/soul. Of course via the hefty fuel/energy tax
is where the rich and powerful will end up paying the most, exactly as
they should, but then yourself and others of your kind can most easily
afford that, cant you?
Of whatever's "ABSURD" we can deal with, much like those smart ETs or
Venusian locals coexisting on Venus have obviously been dealing rather
nicely with that toasty though otherwise energy rich situation. Too
bad we're not even smart enough for establishing POOF City at VL2, as
that's a really cool place to be.
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Brad Guth
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