Science > Physics > Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment
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23 Mar 2005 02:27:56 AM |
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Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
I seem to be getting to a final position on this Earth AirConditioner.
Slowly and gradually but surely I should be able to think my way. I am
designing the first AirConditioner to control climate and weather and
GlobalWarming. I have spent several years on this, do not recall exactly
how many and too lazy to look up my first posts on this subject. If I
recall I started with the idea of a constant train of drone planes as a
mirror reflector (which I am rather ashamed and embarrassed I had
proposed but that is how progress is made in that we wander through many
ideas in search of the great idea to solve the problem). Those huge wide
winged drones. Later thought of aluminum like foil (another
embarrassement but in such searches, brainstorming it is good to bring
forth as many ideas and as turned out in many historical cases that an
early embarrassing idea turns out to be the correct idea afterall). Then
it became a CFC variant that was benign and reflected sunlight. But I
recently realized that no chlorine molecule which all CFC are chlorine
based will do the job because they destroy ozone. Then it was microbes
in the upper atmosphere. Lately it has been diamond dust which now is
Ice Dust and ozone replenishment.
I need some perspective though. The SpaceStation is about 400 km up. The
Troposphere is from 0 to about 20 km. Next is the Stratosphere from
about 20 km to approx 60 km. Next is the Mesosphere from about 60km to
80 km. And finally is the Thermosphere from 80km to 140 km. The coldest
is the upper Mesosphere at about 160K and the second coldest is the
troposphere to stratosphere boundary of about 200K.
So can we dropp off a cargo of NxOy compounds, perhaps even nitric acid
HNO3 which maybe the most dense form of NxOy compounds since it is in
liquid form, in the stratosphere or troposphere. So can the Shuttle or
Rocket release a ozone replenishment on its way to the Space Station or
even just a visit to the stratosphere?
As for the Ice Dust, can the Space Station manufacture the dust and then
shuttle it into a lower orbit of somewhere between the upper Mesosphere
to that of 300 km orbit so that it misses the SpaceStation Orbit of
400km. A range where the temperature is suitable for the Ice Dust to not
melt and where it reflects sunlight from reaching Earth.
I have not explored a microbe to be the AirConditioner coolant because I
fear that a microbe that makes the upper atmosphere its home poses more
of a danger in the long term should the critters multiply out of control
and start depriving life of sunlight on the ground. And I also fear that
as time goes on that a Microbe will come to live up there and love it up
there and we then are faced with how to get the microbe under control
for it will act as a AirConditioner only cool Earth to a low temperature
that we cannot tolerate. So I think that in the future, some Microbe
will appear and take over the job of AirConditioner but with the price
that we have to constantly destroy those microbes as they cool Earth too
much.
I like a tandem solution of IceDust which reflects and of Ozone
replenishment which absorbs sunlight. A tandem solution is a better
insurance policy in case one becomes ineffective or in case one finds a
future breakthrough that increases its effectiveness and control. Things
of this magnitude of importance of controlling the weather on Earth
deserve tandem solutions so that the two compete in making the overall
system as effective as possible.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| Title: Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 03:35:22 AM |
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
I seem to be getting to a final position on this Earth AirConditioner.
Slowly and gradually but surely I should be able to think my way. I am
designing the first AirConditioner to control climate and weather and
GlobalWarming.
File 044a Humanity progress is now faced with the
imperative challenge of controlling the weather on Earth via a global
AirConditioner
File 044b A tandem solution to create Earth's
1st AirConditioner and to halt Global Warming
File 044c the tandem coolants of Earth's 1st AirConditioner
are Ice Dust from Mesosphere to about 300km up, plus Ozone replenishment
via NxOy molecules
File 044d Microbes that will multiply in the upper atmosphere
in the future and threaten life on ground
I am going to group these ideas on Earth AirConditioner on my website of
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
under the Files of 044 in the Chemistry section.
I am confident that no CFC variant will absorb sunlight and act as coolant
because they all contain chlorine atoms which depletes ozone and thus
instead of cooling Earth they heat up Earth.
I am convinced that some nitrogen-oxygen molecule, perhaps nitric acid is
the most dense and thus most suitable to replenish the ozone. So where to
manufacture, how to cargo haul and where in the stratosphere or other layer
to seed the NxOy that will replenish the ozone.
I am convinced that we need a simultaneous 2 solutions of Ice Dust and
Ozone replenishment. One acting to absorb sunlight and one acting to
reflect sunlight.
I am expecting that in the future, much as in medical history where new
viruses crop up causing new damages, that a microbe will one day love
living in the upper atmosphere and multiply and act as a
Live-AirConditioner system. That this new microbe will have to be brought
under control because it blocks out too much sunlight.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "John Savage" |
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| Title: Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
24 Mar 2005 06:06:25 PM |
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Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> writes:
File 044b A tandem solution to create Earth's
1st AirConditioner and to halt Global Warming
There was a science documentary recently which highlighted the finding
on changes to temperature and amount of sunlight for the couple of days
following 9/11 when most commercial airliners were grounded. The lack
of sunlight-reflecting condensation trails in the upper atmosphere saw
the USA receive more sunlight and average temperatures rise by 1 degree.
Measurements over many decades reveal the Soviet Union is today
receiving 30% less sunlight than it was 50 years ago. This reduction
is being attributed largely to the droplets of moisture that form
around particulate matter in the upper atmosphere. These droplets are
much smaller spheres than those in naturally-formed clouds and they
reflect an amount of sunlight quite disproportionate to their mass.
It seems that the greenhouse effect (due largely to increased CO2) is
being counterbalanced by con trails and other industrially-induced
droplets of moisture in the upper atmosphere. I guess this qualifies
as an umbrella of fog, or is it really a sparse high-atmospheric smog?
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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25 Mar 2005 02:19:02 PM |
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Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:06:25 GMT John Savage wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> writes:
File 044b A tandem solution to create Earth's
1st AirConditioner and to halt Global Warming
There was a science documentary recently which highlighted the finding
on changes to temperature and amount of sunlight for the couple of days
following 9/11 when most commercial airliners were grounded. The lack
of sunlight-reflecting condensation trails in the upper atmosphere saw
the USA receive more sunlight and average temperatures rise by 1 degree.
That report sounds very suspicious to me, as if some crank or crackpottish
group of scientists waited for a special day when all USA aircraft were
grounded to find some significant difference in global warming. Tell me
John why it does not sound suspicious to you. That it takes teams of
scientists years to find a "significant change in average temperatures",
yet one day in 11Sept of a year that so called scientists find a vast
difference in temperature change. I mean, most scientists cannot find a
difference in temperature change when a significant volcano erupts and
spews out a plume into the sky compared to a dust and plume of the twin
towers and the stopping of airplanes for a day of 11Sept.
So I think, John, your suspicions should have hit the "on key" as to
whether this reporting is a hoax exaggeration or a hoax April fools prank
or whether there were any scientists making such a report or claim.
Measurements over many decades reveal the Soviet Union is today
receiving 30% less sunlight than it was 50 years ago. This reduction
is being attributed largely to the droplets of moisture that form
around particulate matter in the upper atmosphere. These droplets are
much smaller spheres than those in naturally-formed clouds and they
reflect an amount of sunlight quite disproportionate to their mass.
Oh, as if the airplanes select out the country of Russia to reduce global
warming but increase global warming over the polar ice caps.
Again John, you need to put on a cap of "science reasonableness". For
starters you should realize that airplanes and airlines probably contribute
heavily to Global Warming itself with all their fossil fuel burning and
they are like torches in the sky heating up the sky itself.
Tell me John, has this Airline Report of 11Sept been published in NATURE or
SCIENCE magazines? If so, then I am amazed of how crumby deteriorating
those magazines have stooped and fallen into.
It seems that the greenhouse effect (due largely to increased CO2) is
being counterbalanced by con trails and other industrially-induced
droplets of moisture in the upper atmosphere. I guess this qualifies
as an umbrella of fog, or is it really a sparse high-atmospheric smog?
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
But John, if that were true, why are islands disappearing in rising ocean
waters. Why are hurricanes more frequent. Why is Global Warming rising
every year with hotter winters ever recorded and hotter summers ever
recorded. Why are strange weather patterns such as El Ninos increasing.
You see John, when the world is facing such a enormous and harmful problem
as Global Warming, the science community does not have room for
crackpottish science claims to waste our time and hopes of the future.
We need true science and true actions to solve Global Warming and we do not
have the time to waste on crackpot claims.
To solve Global Warming we need to add a layer of Ice Dust somewhere very
high in the upper atmosphere. Somewhere lower than the Space Station but
high enough to not interfer with the ozone layer. And secondly we need to
increase the ozone layer. Two solutions simultaneously at work. One is a
sunlight reflector-- the Ice Dust and the other is a sunlight energy
absorber that keeps the heat in the upper atmosphere and not send it to the
Earth's ground.
John this Global Warming is a issue that needs a large scale human
intervention of action to solve it and not your hopes that Earth will
re-adjust to its worsening plight.
I believe the Europeans will go into action first because they have the
most to lose and by their actions they will force the USA to join into
solving Global Warming.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "John Savage" |
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27 Mar 2005 06:58:18 PM |
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Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> writes:
Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:06:25 GMT John Savage wrote:
There was a science documentary recently which highlighted the finding
on changes to temperature and amount of sunlight for the couple of days
following 9/11 when most commercial airliners were grounded. The lack
of sunlight-reflecting condensation trails in the upper atmosphere saw
the USA receive more sunlight and average temperatures rise by 1 degree.
For new readers, this excerpt provides the intro:
%independently of each other, Liepert and Stanhill began searching
%through publications, journals and meteorological records from around
%the world. And they both found the same extraordinary story. Between
%the 1950s and the early 1990s the level of solar energy reaching the
%earth's surface had dropped 9% in Antarctica, 10% in the USA, by
%almost 30% in Russia. And by 16% in parts of the British Isles. This
%was a truly global phenomenon, and Gerry gave it a suitable name -
%Global Dimming. But again, the response from other scientists was one
%of sheer disbelief.
Tell me John, has this Airline Report of 11Sept been published in NATURE or
SCIENCE magazines?
You'll have to do your own research. Start with google. The term "global
dimming" is how it's known. Here are two links I was drawing from:
Linkname: Four Corners - 21/03/2005: Global Dimming
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1325819.htm
Linkname: Global Dimming
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
the science community does not have room for crackpottish science claims
Right.
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John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 10:33:36 AM |
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Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
I seem to be getting to a final position on this Earth
AirConditioner.
Slowly and gradually but surely I should be able to think my way. I
am
designing the first AirConditioner to control climate and weather
and
GlobalWarming.
The answer is panels in sycronus orbit between us and the sun that are
adjustable, and control the amount of sunlight reaching us. You would
need a frame, gyros, solar panels, and electric motors to open and
close the blind panels. each day the world solar control could open
panels when we need more heat and close them when we don't! This took
about 5 minutes for me to create this idea.
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| User: "bz" |
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23 Mar 2005 10:58:49 AM |
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"Quantum Mirror" <junebug@pgrb.com> wrote in news:1111595616.843983.200440
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
The answer is panels in sycronus orbit between us and the sun that are
adjustable, and control the amount of sunlight reaching us. You would
need a frame, gyros, solar panels, and electric motors to open and
close the blind panels. each day the world solar control could open
panels when we need more heat and close them when we don't! This took
about 5 minutes for me to create this idea.
Have you looked at the problem of hanging something
'in synchronous orbit' between the earth and the sun?
According to the physics of orbital bodies, in order for something to move
around the sun at the same rate as the earth, it must be the same distance
from the sun as the earth.
That makes it a bit difficult to hang the solar panels between the earth
and the sun.
So, at a minimum, you are going to need to have a bunch of such panels in
orbit around the earth.
Such ideas have been proposed before.
BTW you cross posted to three groups. I have set FollowUps to this message
to Sci.Physics.
--
bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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23 Mar 2005 11:58:42 AM |
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There is one spot that has equilibrim with earth orbit. In fact it is
where they will put the next space telescope. I was just replying to AP
and could not believe this was the best he could come up with in
several years of thought. The cross post was his.
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| User: "bz" |
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23 Mar 2005 12:16:50 PM |
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"Quantum Mirror" <junebug@pgrb.com> wrote in news:1111600722.896468.153580
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
There is one spot that has equilibrim with earth orbit. In fact it is
where they will put the next space telescope. I was just replying to AP
and could not believe this was the best he could come up with in
several years of thought. The cross post was his.
L4 and L5 LaGrange points are stable with respect to the earth sun system.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm/ob_techorbit1.html
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bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
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| User: "G. R. L. Cowan" |
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23 Mar 2005 12:16:12 PM |
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bz wrote:
"Quantum Mirror" <junebug@pgrb.com> wrote in news:1111595616.843983.200440
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
The answer is panels in sycronus orbit between us and the sun that are
adjustable, and control the amount of sunlight reaching us. You would
need a frame, gyros, solar panels, and electric motors to open and
close the blind panels. each day the world solar control could open
panels when we need more heat and close them when we don't! This took
about 5 minutes for me to create this idea.
Have you looked at the problem of hanging something
'in synchronous orbit' between the earth and the sun?
According to the physics of orbital bodies, in order for something to move
around the sun at the same rate as the earth, it must be the same distance
from the sun as the earth.
.... if the sun and the earth were of equal mass.
The SOHO observatory is in fact at the equilibrium point,
which is ~1 percent of the way to the sun.
--- Graham Cowan, former hydrogen fan
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/Paper_for_11th_CHC.html --
boron: how individual mobility gains nuclear cachet
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| User: "bz" |
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23 Mar 2005 12:15:35 PM |
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"G. R. L. Cowan" <gcowan@eagle.ca> wrote in
news:4241B26C.E2928F47@eagle.ca:
bz wrote:
"Quantum Mirror" <junebug@pgrb.com> wrote in
news:1111595616.843983.200440 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
The answer is panels in sycronus orbit between us and the sun that
are adjustable, and control the amount of sunlight reaching us. You
would need a frame, gyros, solar panels, and electric motors to open
and close the blind panels. each day the world solar control could
open panels when we need more heat and close them when we don't! This
took about 5 minutes for me to create this idea.
Have you looked at the problem of hanging something
'in synchronous orbit' between the earth and the sun?
According to the physics of orbital bodies, in order for something to
move around the sun at the same rate as the earth, it must be the same
distance from the sun as the earth.
... if the sun and the earth were of equal mass.
The SOHO observatory is in fact at the equilibrium point,
which is ~1 percent of the way to the sun.
Not quite:
[quote]
That view of the Sun is achieved by operating SOHO from a permanent
vantage point 1.5 million kilometers sunward of the Earth in a halo orbit
around the L1 Lagrangian point. [unquote]
The L1 LaGrange point is NOT a place that something can be hung and remain
there.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm/ob_techorbit1.html
[quote]
The L1 and L2 points are unstable on a time scale of approximately 23
days, which requires satellites parked at these positions to undergo
regular course and attitude corrections. [unquote]
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bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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| Title: Lagrangian Pts not Earth's 1st AirConditioner Re: Earth's 1stAirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 01:53:06 PM |
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Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) bz wrote:
(snipped)
Not quite:
[quote]
That view of the Sun is achieved by operating SOHO from a permanent
vantage point 1.5 million kilometers sunward of the Earth in a halo orbit
around the L1 Lagrangian point. [unquote]
The L1 LaGrange point is NOT a place that something can be hung and remain
there.
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_mm/ob_techorbit1.html
[quote]
The L1 and L2 points are unstable on a time scale of approximately 23
days, which requires satellites parked at these positions to undergo
regular course and attitude corrections. [unquote]
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bz
Thanks for quantifying the impracticalness of using the Lagrangian points
with a huge structure. These points have become what I call a "Hollywood
magnet of Science". People who do not know much of the subject of Earth
AirConditioner immediately fall into this Hollywood-Science of dreamy ideas
using the Lagrange points.
Question BZ, since David Smith is puzzled by this question. How much of the
present day Global Warming can be attributed to the ozone depletion? I am
guessing it is anywhere from 3% to perhaps (a stark surprize) as large as
50%.
What I mean is that if we replenished the ozone in the layers of the
atmosphere we can cut present day Global Warming by 50%. And if I am lucky,
we can even beckon the initiation of another Ice Age if we replenish the
upper atmosphere with ozone to its maximum carrying capacity within practical
means even though we have an ongoing GlobalWarming via greenhouse gases.
So I wonder, BZ, if you have your fingers on the best available data as to
how much ozone depletion contributes to Global Warming.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "bz" |
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| Title: Re: Lagrangian Pts not Earth's 1st AirConditioner Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 05:04:56 PM |
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Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote in
news:4241C921.50CB4841@iw.net:
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Thanks for quantifying the impracticalness of using the Lagrangian
points with a huge structure. These points have become what I call a
"Hollywood magnet of Science". People who do not know much of the
subject of Earth AirConditioner immediately fall into this
Hollywood-Science of dreamy ideas using the Lagrange points.
The earth-sun L4 and L5 might be a good place for us to move earths
industries and to park asteroids that are captured and being mined.
Question BZ, since David Smith is puzzled by this question. How much of
the present day Global Warming can be attributed to the ozone depletion?
I am guessing it is anywhere from 3% to perhaps (a stark surprize) as
large as 50%.
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So I wonder, BZ, if you have your fingers on the best available data as
to how much ozone depletion contributes to Global Warming.
Perhaps someone has better information. I am flattered that you asked me
but it is outside the set of things I know. I do know that it is a
complicated question and your guesses are as good as mine.
--
bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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| Title: selling the project of building Earth's 1st AirConditioner; and Ozone |
24 Mar 2005 01:16:27 AM |
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Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:04:56 +0000 (UTC) bz wrote:
Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote in
news:4241C921.50CB4841@iw.net:
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Thanks for quantifying the impracticalness of using the Lagrangian
points with a huge structure. These points have become what I call a
"Hollywood magnet of Science". People who do not know much of the
subject of Earth AirConditioner immediately fall into this
Hollywood-Science of dreamy ideas using the Lagrange points.
The earth-sun L4 and L5 might be a good place for us to move earths
industries and to park asteroids that are captured and being mined.
I am in need of adding some posts to the File 044a "Humanity progress is now
faced with the imperative challenge of controlling the weather on Earth via a
global AirConditioner " of my website
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
I suppose I could have looked at my old posts of where I began this quest of
finding Earth's 1st AirConditioner and what I said concerning the priority
and why humanity needs to build it.
The thought that keeps coming back to me on this issue of prudence in
building the AirConditioner is the thought that I simply cannot imagine
Humanity in 500 years from now or 1,000 years from now or 2,000 years from
now say mining Mars with colonies on Mars, coming back to Earth to see in the
news of say Florida battered by hurricanes and islands disappearing because
of Global Warming and that the poles no longer have ice.
You see, I cannot imagine advanced human civilization 500 years hence or 2000
years hence solving all sorts of problems yet not have built a Earth
AirConditioner that controls weather.
As BZ says above of mining or asteroids using Lagrangian Points of Space, I
cannot imagine an Earth doing those things and yet still not have an
AirConditioner.
And it is very sad that Humanity has to be prodded to building an
AirConditioner because of a worsening GlobalWarming. If all of humanity were
a science minded and reasoning and logical society, all of humanity, they
would build a EArth AirConditioner just because it is a good and great idea
and very useful. They would join in and build it without the threat of
GlobalWarming. And it is sad that we seem prodded and goaded to build a great
engineering feat because of the looming threat of GlobalWarming.
I should not have to be selling the idea and project of building Earth's 1st
AirConditioner because any rational and commonsense person perceives that the
control of weather and climate by humanity is a good thing. Did anyone have
to sell humanity the idea of airconditioning houses or cars? Of course not,
for it was commonsense also.
Question BZ, since David Smith is puzzled by this question. How much of
the present day Global Warming can be attributed to the ozone depletion?
I am guessing it is anywhere from 3% to perhaps (a stark surprize) as
large as 50%.
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So I wonder, BZ, if you have your fingers on the best available data as
to how much ozone depletion contributes to Global Warming.
Perhaps someone has better information. I am flattered that you asked me
but it is outside the set of things I know. I do know that it is a
complicated question and your guesses are as good as mine.
--
bz
I need some historical data of the last Ice Ages as to whether anyone can
determine whether the Ozone layer was at a maximum and brought on the Ice
Ages or had a major factor of influence of bringing the Ice Ages on.
Perhaps the Antarctica Ice has kept some records as to the Ozone Layer during
the Ice Ages.
I do not know whether a large Ozone Layer leaves some signature compared to a
small Ozone Layer. Of course in the latter 20th century was a time of huge
Ozone Depletion with Ozone Hole in Antarctica. And I believe the rising
GlobalWarming is directly related not only to fossilfuel burning but also to
the depletion of Ozone.
So if I can find some ancient data as to what the Ozone Layer was like during
the Ice Ages-- for I am guessing the layer was at peak abundance in ozone.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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23 Mar 2005 01:38:03 PM |
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23 Mar 2005 08:33:36 -0800 Quantum Mirror wrote:
The answer is panels in sycronus orbit between us and the sun that are
adjustable, and control the amount of sunlight reaching us. You would
need a frame, gyros, solar panels, and electric motors to open and
close the blind panels. each day the world solar control could open
panels when we need more heat and close them when we don't! This took
about 5 minutes for me to create this idea.
I have considered and looked at the Lagrangian points as a reflector
station. Trouble is that they are not large enough to reflect enough
sunlight to cool Earth. Plus these points are not stable enough and
warrant an actual space station to control the stability of the structure.
Plus the fact that the tremendous cost and time to develop the Lagrangian
points as a engineering structure to reflect.
Apparently your 5 minutes of thought did not carry you to 10 minutes of
thought to realize this is a bad design for Earth's 1st AirConditioner. A
more reasonable mind not a dreamy mind would have realized that we already
have the Space Station in place as a base platform to construct Earth's
1st AirConditioner and would have realized that we have already created a
heater of Earth by the CFC that depletes ozone. Would have realized that
Space Station coupled with CFC past history leads to the inevitable
solution that Earth's 1st AirConditioner is linked to closer at home of
the Space Station and ozone replenishment.
I am not ruling out that perhaps in the distant future of say perhaps
Earth AirConditioner # 23 will involve the Lagrangian Points in some
manner. What I am wanting is Earth Airconditioner #1.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
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| Title: we can bust apart Hurricanes with this AirConditioner coolant of |
23 Mar 2005 02:11:12 PM |
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Last year or recently, I predicted that year 2005 will endure a worse
Hurricane season than 2004 when we had 3 successive pommelling of the Florida
and east coast USA. So I look forward to this year as to whether the
prediction comes true in that as GlobalWarming rises so does the Hurricane
frequency and destruction rise.
Perhaps a surprize benefit of Earth's AirConditioner using both ozone
replenishment and also especially using IceDust is to bust apart Hurricanes.
Not the ozone replenishment but the IceDust application can be intensified and
locally distributive.
Suppose we see a Hurricane birthing out in the Atlantic or Gulf stream and
then we marshall the Space Shuttle from the Space Station to be ready to "fly
over" the zone of Hurricane creation. The Shuttle flys over in the
Stratosphere or even Troposphere and cargo dumps a vast quantity of IceDust.
Will it slow down and bust apart the Hurricane? Noone really knows until we
actually try it out.
It may just be a excellent Hurricane Buster Apart. Hurricanes are chaos
attractor points to release an overabundance of localized energy. By showering
a Hurricane overhead sky with Ice Dust particles that turns that region of
daylight into semi-darkness may just increase the Chaos conditions so much
that it busts apart the Hurricane trying to form.
To describe it weather wise it would be like adding another cold front into an
already formed storm.
We will not know until it is tryed to see if it works as a Hurricane buster.
And it is certainly worth trying because Hurricanes are so disruptive and
damaging. And unless we find a control that Florida and Texas maybe 2 future
states that are classified as human unliveable during the hurricane season and
permanent mass evacuation during the hurricane season.
Of course, if my Earth's 1st AirConditioner of ozone replenishment coupled
with Ice Dust is up and working then the frequency of hurricanes is diminished
each year. And hurricane frequency will be like the "old past years such as
the 20th century"
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
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| Title: Re: we can bust apart Hurricanes with this AirConditioner coolant of Ice-Dust Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
26 Mar 2005 04:33:21 PM |
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"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote in message
news:4241CD60.F20AF045@iw.net...
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| Suppose we see a Hurricane birthing out in the Atlantic or Gulf stream and
| then we marshall the Space Shuttle from the Space Station to be ready to
"fly
| over" the zone of Hurricane creation. The Shuttle flys over in the
| Stratosphere or even Troposphere and cargo dumps a vast quantity of
IceDust.
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| Will it slow down and bust apart the Hurricane? Noone really knows until
we
| actually try it out.
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| It may just be a excellent Hurricane Buster Apart. Hurricanes are chaos
| attractor points to release an overabundance of localized energy. By
showering
| a Hurricane overhead sky with Ice Dust particles that turns that region of
| daylight into semi-darkness may just increase the Chaos conditions so much
| that it busts apart the Hurricane trying to form.
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| To describe it weather wise it would be like adding another cold front
into an
| already formed storm.
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| We will not know until it is tryed to see if it works as a Hurricane
buster.
| And it is certainly worth trying because Hurricanes are so disruptive and
| damaging. And unless we find a control that Florida and Texas maybe 2
future
| states that are classified as human unliveable during the hurricane season
and
| permanent mass evacuation during the hurricane season.
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| Of course, if my Earth's 1st AirConditioner of ozone replenishment coupled
| with Ice Dust is up and working then the frequency of hurricanes is
diminished
| each year. And hurricane frequency will be like the "old past years such
as
| the 20th century"
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I believe something similar was tried in the 1960's under the name
"Operation Stormfury". The "Hurricane Buster" of choice was silver iodide,
which has a similar crystal habit to that of water ice and for this reason
is still used in "rainmaking" or "storm modifying" projects today.
We had a number of very stormy autumns in the UK as an exceptional number of
hurricanes "recurved" and crossed the North Atlantic, their remnant warmth
and moisture enlivening the extra-tropical depressions normal for a British
autumn. But once the US realised that there was no guarantee that the
storms would actually go that way and that they were, in effect, loading a
loose cannon, the project was dropped.
Just imagine the lawsuits today if someone tried this and the Carolinas
could find evidence to prove that they were given the "hit" that Florida
would have taken if nature had been left to its course. The only sure
winners will be the lawyers...
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| User: "Archimedes Plutonium" |
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27 Mar 2005 01:14:00 PM |
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Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:33:21 -0000 Yokel wrote:
(snip what I wrote)
I believe something similar was tried in the 1960's under the name
"Operation Stormfury". The "Hurricane Buster" of choice was silver iodide,
which has a similar crystal habit to that of water ice and for this reason
is still used in "rainmaking" or "storm modifying" projects today.
We had a number of very stormy autumns in the UK as an exceptional number of
hurricanes "recurved" and crossed the North Atlantic, their remnant warmth
and moisture enlivening the extra-tropical depressions normal for a British
autumn. But once the US realised that there was no guarantee that the
storms would actually go that way and that they were, in effect, loading a
loose cannon, the project was dropped.
Just imagine the lawsuits today if someone tried this and the Carolinas
could find evidence to prove that they were given the "hit" that Florida
would have taken if nature had been left to its course. The only sure
winners will be the lawyers...
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Well I am not sure we can but it is worth a try with Ice Dust, not silver
iodide. The title of my post should have had several question marks after it
instead of being assertive.
It is worth a try considering how dangerous and damaging hurricanes are.
So if Ice Dust in the Thermosphere of about 80 km to about 300 km almost
reaching the Space station but safely enough distant from the Space Station,
plus, plus the ozone replenishment from the Troposphere to the Stratosphere to
the Mesosphere of 15km to 70 km worked to cool Earth and solved Global Warming.
Then I wonder if we see a Hurricane forming in the Atlantic or Gulf waters,
whether a liberal sprinkling of alot of Ice Dust directly overhead of the
Hurricane in the Thermosphere and thereby decreasing the sunlight to that large
spot of water where the Hurricane is being formed and bringing on a sort of
darkness to that water, whether that would negate the formation of the
Hurricane and bust it up?
I am skeptical that it can bust it up but it certainly is worth a try. And if
it works, then it would be a very cost effective solution because it would not
cost much for the Space Station to manufacture IceDust and then shuttle deliver
it to the Thermosphere. It would cost in the mere millions whereas a Hurricane
destroys in the billions of dollars cost.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
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| Title: Re: we can bust apart Hurricanes with this AirConditioner coolant of Ice-Dust Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 06:13:02 PM |
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Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote in
news:4241CD60.F20AF045@iw.net:
Suppose we see a Hurricane birthing out in the Atlantic or Gulf stream
and then we marshall the Space Shuttle from the Space Station to be
ready to "fly over" the zone of Hurricane creation. The Shuttle flys
over in the Stratosphere or even Troposphere and cargo dumps a vast
quantity of IceDust.
Better to have some captured comets (dirty snow balls, probably best to clean
em up a bit first) that we shield from the sun and keep in orbit around the
earth/moon system. When a hurricane is birthing, just de-orbit a chunk of ice
aimed to splashdown in the eye.
Of course be sure that some enemy doesn't gain control and start throwing
snowballs at your city.
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bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
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| Title: Re: Earth's 1st AirConditioner; coolant of IceDust + ozone replenishment |
23 Mar 2005 02:52:30 AM |
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In sci.chem, sci.physics, and sci.environment,
Archimedes Plutonium (a_plutonium@iw.net) wrote:
I seem to be getting to a final position on this Earth AirConditioner.
Slowly and gradually but surely I should be able to think my way. I am
designing the first AirConditioner to control climate and weather and
GlobalWarming. I have spent several years on this, do not recall exactly
how many and too lazy to look up my first posts on this subject.
Gee, Archie. If even you -- THE KING OF SCIENCE! -- can't bother
reading your musings, what makes you think the rest of us ever do?
I'm not going to bother reading the rest of this. I'll assume it has
something to do with candy.
If I recall I started with the idea of a constant train of drone planes
as a mirror reflector (which I am rather ashamed and embarrassed I had
proposed but that is how progress is made in that we wander through many
ideas in search of the great idea to solve the problem). Those huge wide
winged drones. Later thought of aluminum like foil (another
embarrassement but in such searches, brainstorming it is good to bring
forth as many ideas and as turned out in many historical cases that an
early embarrassing idea turns out to be the correct idea afterall). Then
it became a CFC variant that was benign and reflected sunlight. But I
recently realized that no chlorine molecule which all CFC are chlorine
based will do the job because they destroy ozone. Then it was microbes
in the upper atmosphere. Lately it has been diamond dust which now is
Ice Dust and ozone replenishment.
No, you can't put a Mars Bar up there. It would melt, and probably
stain your pants, unless you're not wearing pants, in which case
the dentist would probably charge you for staining his chair.
I need some perspective though. The SpaceStation is about 400 km up. The
Troposphere is from 0 to about 20 km. Next is the Stratosphere from
about 20 km to approx 60 km. Next is the Mesosphere from about 60km to
80 km. And finally is the Thermosphere from 80km to 140 km. The coldest
is the upper Mesosphere at about 160K and the second coldest is the
troposphere to stratosphere boundary of about 200K.
There's more to the whole Mounds vs. Almond Joy taxonomy than you've
considered. In addition to the fifty differences you mentioned, also,
one of them has almonds. Someday maybe you'll figure out which one.
So can we dropp off a cargo of NxOy compounds, perhaps even nitric acid
HNO3 which maybe the most dense form of NxOy compounds since it is in
liquid form, in the stratosphere or troposphere. So can the Shuttle or
Rocket release a ozone replenishment on its way to the Space Station or
even just a visit to the stratosphere?
Of course, _real_ M&Ms don't speak English. They speak Chocolang,
which has 387 words for "sweet" but no words for "The apple is
nature's toothbrush."
As for the Ice Dust, can the Space Station manufacture the dust and then
shuttle it into a lower orbit of somewhere between the upper Mesosphere
to that of 300 km orbit so that it misses the SpaceStation Orbit of
400km. A range where the temperature is suitable for the Ice Dust to not
melt and where it reflects sunlight from reaching Earth.
Chocolate-covered deep-fried pizza? You truly are a madman! Unless
you leave out the cheese. In which case, I salute you, you magnificent
*****! You deserve the Nobel Prize For Snacktasticness!
I have not explored a microbe to be the AirConditioner coolant because I
fear that a microbe that makes the upper atmosphere its home poses more
of a danger in the long term should the critters multiply out of control
and start depriving life of sunlight on the ground. And I also fear that
as time goes on that a Microbe will come to live up there and love it up
there and we then are faced with how to get the microbe under control
for it will act as a AirConditioner only cool Earth to a low temperature
that we cannot tolerate. So I think that in the future, some Microbe
will appear and take over the job of AirConditioner but with the price
that we have to constantly destroy those microbes as they cool Earth too
much.
No, Arch, don't try that -- your head isn't _really_ a Pez dispenser.
Yes, it's easier to get twelve of the little things into your nose
than it is to get them into the dispenser, but no, you shouldn't
even bother trying to get them out again. Just go to the doctor and
ask to have your nostrils glued shut so you won't try anything like
that again.
I like a tandem solution of IceDust which reflects and of Ozone
replenishment which absorbs sunlight. A tandem solution is a better
insurance policy in case one becomes ineffective or in case one finds a
future breakthrough that increases its effectiveness and control. Things
of this magnitude of importance of controlling the weather on Earth
deserve tandem solutions so that the two compete in making the overall
system as effective as possible.
Your theory fails to take into account that Red Juju Fish are made
with _bad_ juju!
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
I'm hungry now too. Can I have some of your Necco Conversation Hearts
before you draw pictures of plutonium atoms on them?
-- K.
I swear I'm not lying,
I really didn't read this.
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