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"Nick" |
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06 Aug 2005 01:36:41 AM |
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Einstein had to survive his education |
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
Einstein detested authority and was credited with
little academic ability. It took his genius to survive
the education system. Most people can't.
Instead they will get dumbed down.
Don't expect to find the next Einstein in school!!!
I wouldn't be caught dead sending children into
the monster we call public schools.
Home school your children people.
Not like you slimeballs here aren't the product
of education. Its your way of compensating for
childhood inferiority.
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
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| User: "Bilge" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 02:13:17 PM |
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Nick:
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
In your case, that would be nothing.
Einstein detested authority and was credited with little academic
ability.
Henry Lee Lucas detested authority and was credited wth little
academic ability. What's your point?
It took his genius to survive the education system.
Henry Lee Lucas survived the educational system.
Most people can't. Instead they will get dumbed down.
Does that mean henry lee lucas was a genius, too?
Don't expect to find the next Einstein in school!!!
How about in prison?
I wouldn't be caught dead sending children into the monster we
call public schools.
You wouldn't be caught dead making an intelligent post, either, so
your opinion doesn't count for much.
Home school your children people.
That would be okay, except that there are people such as yourself
(once you actually finish high school) who would be worse than a
public school.
Not like you slimeballs here aren't the product of education.
I have news for you. You are the worst of the lot. Apparently,
you learned absolutely nothing but how to quote mine and parrot
well known people without having any idea what those people actually
said. You are the typical high school brown noser who is used to
having your high school teachers buy your *****. You're just
***** that no one else is buying it or giving you a pat on the
head.
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
How do like what? Idiot.
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
07 Aug 2005 12:04:03 AM |
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Hi bulge.
Einstein didn't get dumbed down by his education.
It did take him away from any interest in science for a year though!!!
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
07 Aug 2005 07:55:46 AM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi bulge.
Einstein didn't get dumbed down by his education.
It did take him away from any interest in science for a year though!!!
I wish it would take away from you any interest in science as well.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 05:20:22 AM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1123310201.225242.128320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
Nick, the thought of you teaching children makes the blood run cold.
By the way, don't you have any original ideas to come up with and annoy this
group? All you do is trot out the same sentences every few weeks.
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| User: "unamerican" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 03:25:39 AM |
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I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine parents
heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days (i
am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
form of Communism.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 09:06:45 AM |
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"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
|
| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
|
| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
|
| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
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| User: "Ken S. Tucker" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 03:41:24 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
|
| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
|
| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
|
| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
or some words like that...that's what we used to
sing.
It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
Ken
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 05:13:59 PM |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:1123360884.672075.58370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| Androcles wrote:
| > "unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| > |I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
| > |
| > | But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
| > parents
| > | heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
| > |
| > | They send police officers out into shopping malls during school
days
| > (i
| > | am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to
ask
| > | them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up
with a
| > | good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
| > |
| > | Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This
is a
| > | form of Communism.
| >
| > Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
| > We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family
allowance"
| > to women with children, the more children they have the more money
| > they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with
child
| > day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
| > of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
| > them
| > so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer
construct
| > ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
| > we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
| > European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has
folded.
| > Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
| > American companies, still manufacture here and we have full
employment!
| > It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
| > were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
| > of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
| > elderly
| > chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
| > two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
| > joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
| > with it's own royal family.
| > Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
| > return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
| > socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the
benefits
| > now. I've damned well paid for them.
| > The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize
nothing
| > is free.
| > If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we
should
| > be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
| > fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
| > conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
| > language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
| > English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
| > to be European communists for?
| > Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
| > to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
| > fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
| > It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
| > it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
| > he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
| > Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
| > descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
| > Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to
live.
| > Androcles
|
| Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
| in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
|
True enough, but then we are also the descendents of the queer frogs.
We all have two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents
and so on, so my ancestors were the entire population of Britain
in 1066. Later than that actually. Call it 25 years to a generation,
1000 years is 40 generations, 2^40 = 1,099,511,627,776 supergreat
grandparents. I think you'll find that is more than the entire world
population in 1066. So unless you are inbred, you and I are related.
A name like "Tucker"? Gotta be...
| Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
| forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
| or some words like that...that's what we used to
| sing.
| It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
| Ken
Yep... I'd kick her fuzzy butt out the door too if I could, and that
wacko prince. Beats me why so many North Americans want to be lorded
over when they go to heaven, that's not a republic either. It's a
bleedin'
dictatorship, but people are just dying to get there and kiss arse
every Sunday to guarantee it. Gawd must be tone deaf listening
to some of that caterwauling, if it was me I'd lightning strike
a few churches during Sunday worship. A quick tornado should
sort 'em out. You'd better believe America is Gawd's own country,
he does more zapping there than anywhere else. Tornadoes,
hurricanes, earthquakes and lightning storms. We kicked most of
the zealots out on the Mayflower, things have been a lot quieter since.
We could do with some sunshine, though.
Our kids walk out when the anthem is played, we don't bother
with it much anymore, and any flags you see flying are not the union
jack, it's the cross of St George, dragon slayer representing
England's football (soccer) team.
With no pride in industry left, they have to hang on to something.
Androcles.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 08:50:19 PM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
news:HCaJe.123118$Pf3.346@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
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| Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
| in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
|
True enough, but then we are also the descendents of the queer frogs.
We all have two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents
and so on, so my ancestors were the entire population of Britain
in 1066. Later than that actually. Call it 25 years to a generation,
1000 years is 40 generations, 2^40 = 1,099,511,627,776 supergreat
grandparents. I think you'll find that is more than the entire world
population in 1066. So unless you are inbred, you and I are related.
A name like "Tucker"? Gotta be...
Without wishing to get involved in the off-topic, confused political ranting
that is going on here, but there is a slight error or two.
Assuming you are all using the term "frog" to mean "French" people as we
understand them since (for arguments sake) the 18th Century; then, no, the
United Kingdom was never conquered by the French.
The Normans were in fact Vikings who had settled on land after beating the
Franks (who were Germanic but are generally accepted as the ancestors of the
French). The whole deal of 1066 was that William claimed a blood line to the
throne going back to the Great Army of the seventh century.
However the "MASTER/slave" relationship you talk about goes back much
further. The Celts, Picts, Irish, Scots, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Angles etc
all had master/slave situations - not to mention the three hundred years of
Roman rule.
Now for those of you who harken back to days when Cromwell was Lord
Protector I have an easy solution. If you wish to re-enact living in that
sort of culture then feel free to emigrate to Iran.
If the UK (or US or where ever) really was a "decadent" as right wing
extremists try to make out things would be very different. To use a quote
from Androcles
"It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected."
Well, it wasn't the innocent people on the underground who had the
bombs.....
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
11 Aug 2005 11:29:11 AM |
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:50:19 +0100, T Wake wrote:
However the "MASTER/slave" relationship you talk about goes back much
further. The Celts, Picts, Irish, Scots, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Angles etc
all had master/slave situations - not to mention the three hundred years of
Roman rule.
Now for those of you who harken back to days when Cromwell was Lord
Protector I have an easy solution. If you wish to re-enact living in that
sort of culture then feel free to emigrate to Iran.
Heh. Who told you THAT? I smell a "master" sticking it
right into your slave recent past.
If the UK (or US or where ever) really was a "decadent" as right wing
extremists try to make out things would be very different.
Things _are_ very different.
--
"biyA tA gol barafshAnimo mey dar sAghar andAzim
falak rA saghf beshkAfimo tarhi now darandAzim
agar gham lashkar angizad ke khune AsheghAn rizad
mano sAghi beham sAzimo bonyAdash barandAzim
sokhandAniyyo khoshkhAni nemivarzand dar shirAz
biyA hAfez ke tA khod rA bemolki digar andAzim"
- Hafez
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
11 Aug 2005 12:40:28 PM |
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"Math Freak" <MathFreak@FakeAddress.com> wrote in message
news:1wvang1jv7qrs.1731wboifezm.dlg@40tude.net...
On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 02:50:19 +0100, T Wake wrote:
However the "MASTER/slave" relationship you talk about goes back much
further. The Celts, Picts, Irish, Scots, Saxons, Jutes, Danes, Angles etc
all had master/slave situations - not to mention the three hundred years
of
Roman rule.
Now for those of you who harken back to days when Cromwell was Lord
Protector I have an easy solution. If you wish to re-enact living in that
sort of culture then feel free to emigrate to Iran.
Heh. Who told you THAT? I smell a "master" sticking it
right into your slave recent past.
Who told me what? That the UK under Cromwell was ruled as a fundamentalist
religious society? Or that Iran is a fundamentalist religious society? Or
that the master / slave culture is as old as history?
I dont understand your implications of the master sticking it into "my"
slave past.
If the UK (or US or where ever) really was a "decadent" as right wing
extremists try to make out things would be very different.
Things _are_ very different.
Ok, it really is your opinion and in these decadent times you are entitled
to espouse your beliefs and opinions with out fear of punishment.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
14 Aug 2005 04:23:20 PM |
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aND THE TIME WILL COME WHEN YOU SEE WE'RE ALL ONE AND LIFE FLOWS ON
WITHIN YOU AND WITHOUT YOU.
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| User: "Sue..." |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 03:50:22 PM |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
|
| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
|
| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
|
| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
or some words like that...that's what we used to
sing.
It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
Ken
Better watch your language or Tony'll come over
there and depo... Hmmm you already are deported
arent'cha ?
Well... you could still be banished to a prison colony.
http://www.aspen-ridge.net/Places/Australia/Sydney_Opera_House.jpg
The razor sharp points are to rip at flesh. ;-)
Sue...
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| User: "Ken S. Tucker" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 04:03:16 PM |
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Sue... wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
|
| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
|
| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
|
| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
or some words like that...that's what we used to
sing.
It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
Ken
Better watch your language or Tony'll come over
there and depo... Hmmm you already are deported
arent'cha ?
Well... you could still be banished to a prison colony.
http://www.aspen-ridge.net/Places/Australia/Sydney_Opera_House.jpg
The razor sharp points are to rip at flesh. ;-)
Sue...
Bull, are you a girl, chick or a broad?
I've encouraged my owm kids to be critical
of me and my parentship...that's good, call
a spade a spade...
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06 Aug 2005 04:27:53 PM |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
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| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
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| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
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| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
or some words like that...that's what we used to
sing.
It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
Ken
Better watch your language or Tony'll come over
there and depo... Hmmm you already are deported
arent'cha ?
Well... you could still be banished to a prison colony.
http://www.aspen-ridge.net/Places/Australia/Sydney_Opera_House.jpg
The razor sharp points are to rip at flesh. ;-)
Sue...
Bull, are you a girl, chick or a broad?
Sue is better than Sheila
I've encouraged my owm kids to be critical
of me and my parentship...that's good, call
a spade a spade...
Indeed. They seem to be making a bit of progress.
Perhaps if you took notes you'd progress faster. ;-)
Sue...
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| User: "Ken S. Tucker" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
06 Aug 2005 05:10:55 PM |
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Sue... wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Sue... wrote:
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Androcles wrote:
"unamerican" <sammac1967@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1123316739.104116.201060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
|
| But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine
parents
| heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
|
| They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days
(i
| am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
| them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
| good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
|
| Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
| form of Communism.
Thank goodness someone else sees the reality of British politics.
We are taxed to high heaven so that we can hand out "family allowance"
to women with children, the more children they have the more money
they get, then they bleat that the "government" should assist with child
day-care so that they can get to work to earn more money! People
of other nationalities flock here for the benefits, Tony Blair wants
them
so that they can do useful work, in the meantime we no longer construct
ships or aircraft, Queen Mary II was built by the French and
we ger the wings of the new airbus because we want to be part of the
European Union, and Britain's last great car manufacturer has folded.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW; Ford and General Motors, both
American companies, still manufacture here and we have full employment!
It's the same kind of full employment I saw in India where women
were pounding rocks into a new road surface with a hammer intead
of rolling it, and the cash register (till) at the hotel bar was an
elderly
chap with a locked steel box and a wad of receipts who stapled your
two rupee change to the hand-written receipt. The only reason for
joining the EU is geographical proximity, but Hawaii is a USA state
with it's own royal family.
Having spent twenty years in the USA, I was shocked that upon my
return I found the same old class consciousness and the same
socialism had worsened. Oh well, I might as well collect the benefits
now. I've damned well paid for them.
The people of Britain want a free ride, but they don't realize nothing
is free.
If Britain wants to fall back on its traditions in its old age we should
be joining the empire we created, not the Europeans we've always
fought. Right or wrong we stood beside the USA in the last two
conficts in the middle East, Europe did not, we speak the same
language as Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand,
English is spoken throughout the world, so what the hell do we want
to be European communists for?
Every 5th of November we celebrate Guido Fawkes for attempting
to explode the Houses of Parliament by burning the "guy" and
fireworks displays, I'm not so sure he didn't have the right idea.
It isn't the innocent people on the underground that need bombs,
it's the government they elected. Bring back Oliver Cromwell,
he knew how to be a parliamentarian and Lord Protector.
Americans don't know how well off they are, and it was the
descendents of Britain that wrote their constitution.
Ours is too old to reflect the society in which we would wish to live.
Androcles
Yup, the Brits were CONQUERED by a bunch of queer frogs
in 1066, and a MASTER/slave relation was imposed.
Canuckistan still relies on the queeny butt, and
forces kids to sing "god save the fuckin *****",
or some words like that...that's what we used to
sing.
It's fuckin sick brain-washing!
Ken
Better watch your language or Tony'll come over
there and depo... Hmmm you already are deported
arent'cha ?
Well... you could still be banished to a prison colony.
http://www.aspen-ridge.net/Places/Australia/Sydney_Opera_House.jpg
The razor sharp points are to rip at flesh. ;-)
Sue...
Bull, are you a girl, chick or a broad?
Sue is better than Sheila
I've encouraged my owm kids to be critical
of me and my parentship...that's good, call
a spade a spade...
Indeed. They seem to be making a bit of progress.
Perhaps if you took notes you'd progress faster. ;-)
Sue...
Bull again, the (kids) are way smarter.
Societies that rely on parental wisdom, like
islamism or catholism die stupidly. It's best
to design the kids to be smarter than you/me,
otherwise society stagnates.
Ken
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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06 Aug 2005 05:19:15 PM |
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"Ken S. Tucker" <dynamics@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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| Bull again, the (kids) are way smarter.
| Societies that rely on parental wisdom, like
| islamism or catholism die stupidly. It's best
| to design the kids to be smarter than you/me,
| otherwise society stagnates.
| Ken
Heck, even my cat is smarter than me.
Sleeps all day, roams the neighbourhood at night,
licks all the gravy out of his food dish and bugs me
for more, he knows he's well off.
Androcles
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07 Aug 2005 10:38:39 PM |
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Androcles wrote:
[remove]
It is by misunderstanding things that mistakes are allowed to arise.
Thanks.
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08 Aug 2005 12:10:56 PM |
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"Schoenfeld" <schoenfeld1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Androcles wrote:
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| Thanks.
You are welcome. What did I say?
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06 Aug 2005 06:31:07 AM |
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unamerican wrote:
I agree, I would never send my children to a state school.
But here in the UK we have a neo-communist government who fine parents
heavily if they dont send children to be brainwashed by the state,
They send police officers out into shopping malls during school days (i
am not making this up) to accost parents with their children to ask
them why they are not at school. if the parents cannot come up with a
good explanation they can be fined and referred to social workers.
Now folks this is NOT fascism as some people have claimed . This is a
form of Communism.
*****
tha only wrong with communism is that it becomes
altered by capitalism, nazism and fascism due to
nature of the other stuff and inherited ***** you
never understand
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06 Aug 2005 06:36:12 AM |
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mazafaka
I assume you have studied the Russian Revolution in detail as I have
and I assume you are aware that Fascism was an offshoot of Communism
and that Nazism was an offshoot of Fascism.
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06 Aug 2005 03:18:35 PM |
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In article <1123310201.225242.128320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Nick <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
Einstein detested authority and was credited with
little academic ability. It took his genius to survive
http://www.randomhouse.com/acmart/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780553378443&view=excerpt
Do a text search down to "the myths that Einstein did poorly at school".
--
"In any case, don't stress too much--cortisol inhibits muscular
hypertrophy. " -- Eric Dodd
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08 Aug 2005 03:53:33 AM |
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Nick wrote:
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
Einstein detested authority and was credited with
little academic ability. It took his genius to survive
the education system. Most people can't.
Instead they will get dumbed down.
Don't expect to find the next Einstein in school!!!
Very true.
I wouldn't be caught dead sending children into
the monster we call public schools.
Unfortunately true (this is not the case for all countries though -
Poland for example has superb public schooling system).
Home school your children people.
Can be risky, but a good approach if done properly.
Not like you slimeballs here aren't the product
of education. Its your way of compensating for
childhood inferiority.
Mostly true.
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
You have to understand Nick that over the last few hundred years
Academia has suffered from a philosophy of unnecessarily complicating
without simplification. This is best illustrated with the words of
Gauss
"Mathematics is like architecture, who ever shows the scaffolding of
a building once it's built?".
What this means is that instead of teaching HOW a mathematical concept
was built, they simply expose the final solution in a rigorously
complicated way to derive vanity from the praise of the "unknowing
mob".
You have to understand that the way maths and physics is taught in
textbooks and by "teachers" is NOT the same way it was built by the
inventors of those concepts. This applies from elementary number theory
to calculus all the way to the frontiers of "physics research" today.
I'll give you a very simple example.
PROBLEM: Sum all the numbers from 1 to 100.
This problem is amazingly simple, but you will find that most
university students and even the "professionals" don't know how to
solve it. They will simply resort to some rule taught to them as a
child called the "arithmetic series".
STANDARD ANSWER:
1/2 N * (N + 1) where N is 100 in this case.
This solution is simple to write and to evaluate, but how do you go
about *understanding* this? You can't understand this. It's not
presented in a way that is understandable. It's an example of showing
the building after its built but not the scaffolding used to build it.
But it turns out that this is childs play.
REAL ANSWER:
Write out the sum:
1 + 2 + 3 ..... 98 + 99 + 100
If you add the first number with the last you get 101.
If you add the second number with the second last you get 101.
If you add the third with the 3rd last you get 101.
See the pattern yet?
You end up with 50 pairs of numbers that each add to 101.
The sum:
50 * 101
or generalizing
1/2 N * (N + 1).
Easy isn't it?
Now extrapolate from this example to ALL of mathematics and physics and
you'll start to see a realistic picture of these topics (i.e. childs
play).
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| User: "John Kennaugh" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
24 Aug 2005 03:27:48 PM |
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Schoenfeld wrote:
Nick wrote:
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
Einstein detested authority and was credited with
little academic ability. It took his genius to survive
the education system. Most people can't.
Instead they will get dumbed down.
Don't expect to find the next Einstein in school!!!
Very true.
I wouldn't be caught dead sending children into
the monster we call public schools.
Unfortunately true (this is not the case for all countries though -
Poland for example has superb public schooling system).
Home school your children people.
Can be risky, but a good approach if done properly.
Not like you slimeballs here aren't the product
of education. Its your way of compensating for
childhood inferiority.
Mostly true.
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
You have to understand Nick that over the last few hundred years
Academia has suffered from a philosophy of unnecessarily complicating
without simplification. This is best illustrated with the words of
Gauss
"Mathematics is like architecture, who ever shows the scaffolding of
a building once it's built?".
What this means is that instead of teaching HOW a mathematical concept
was built, they simply expose the final solution in a rigorously
complicated way to derive vanity from the praise of the "unknowing
mob".
You have to understand that the way maths and physics is taught in
textbooks and by "teachers" is NOT the same way it was built by the
inventors of those concepts. This applies from elementary number theory
to calculus all the way to the frontiers of "physics research" today.
I'll give you a very simple example.
PROBLEM: Sum all the numbers from 1 to 100.
This problem is amazingly simple, but you will find that most
university students and even the "professionals" don't know how to
solve it. They will simply resort to some rule taught to them as a
child called the "arithmetic series".
STANDARD ANSWER:
1/2 N * (N + 1) where N is 100 in this case.
This solution is simple to write and to evaluate, but how do you go
about *understanding* this? You can't understand this. It's not
presented in a way that is understandable. It's an example of showing
the building after its built but not the scaffolding used to build it.
But it turns out that this is childs play.
REAL ANSWER:
Write out the sum:
1 + 2 + 3 ..... 98 + 99 + 100
If you add the first number with the last you get 101.
If you add the second number with the second last you get 101.
If you add the third with the 3rd last you get 101.
See the pattern yet?
You end up with 50 pairs of numbers that each add to 101.
The sum:
50 * 101
or generalizing
1/2 N * (N + 1).
Easy isn't it?
Now extrapolate from this example to ALL of mathematics and physics and
you'll start to see a realistic picture of these topics (i.e. childs
play).
I agree.
How many students know where the formula
x = [-b +-Sqr(b^2 -4ac)]/2a
comes from?
The best approach is to assume the student capable of making the
coefficient of x^2 unity before he starts to get an equation of the
form:
x^2 + bx + c = 0 --------- [1]
OK we know that if you expand (x + b)^2 we get x^2 + 2bx + b^2
so if we expand (x + b/2)^2 we get x^2 + bx + (b/2)^2 which has the
same coefficients for x^2 and x as [1]
So
x^2 + bx + c = 0
x^2 + 2(b/2)x + c = 0
[x^2 + 2(b/2)x + (b/2)^2] - (b/2)^2 + c = 0
[x + b/2]^2 = (b/2)^2 - c
x + b/2 = +-Sqr((b/2)^2 - c)
x = -b/2 +-Sqr((b/2)^2 - c)
I think this form gives a better insight than the standard form. If you
substitute b/a for b and c/a for c and rearranging it you can reproduce
the standard form while at the same time totally obscuring its origins.
I don't know if education policy has changed (it does so often around
here) but I came across a junior pupil who could not do the sum.
5 - 7 + 4 =
He said that you can't take 7 from 5 because it is too big. It appeared
that policy said you should not introduce negative numbers until a much
later age. I don't see it. You draw lines on the ground representing
0,1,2,3,4,5 etc. You get the child to stand on the 0 and do some simple
add and subtract sticking to positive answers by stepping forward and
backwards. When they get used to the idea you throw in
5 - 7 + 4 =
and 'Oh dear! we need to draw some lines behind the 0 don't we?" You
then show that 5 - 7 + 4 = 2 and that it is the same as 5 + 4 -7 and
even -7 + 4 + 5. The young mind is incredibly flexible it is probably
the teacher who thinks of 'negative numbers' as difficult.
--
John Kennaugh
to email convert the number from hex to decimal
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| User: "Math Freak" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein had to survive his education |
11 Aug 2005 11:18:19 AM |
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On 5 Aug 2005 23:36:41 -0700, Nick wrote:
"Education is what's left after you have forgoten
everything you learned at school."
Einstein detested authority and was credited with
little academic ability. It took his genius to survive
the education system. Most people can't.
Instead they will get dumbed down.
Don't expect to find the next Einstein in school!!!
I wouldn't be caught dead sending children into
the monster we call public schools.
Home school your children people.
Not like you slimeballs here aren't the product
of education. Its your way of compensating for
childhood inferiority.
But it really makes you more inferior!
How do like that?
Hehe :)
Your first quote above, again, reminds me of that same
story that I said in reply to an earlier post from you.
The guy who had to go back and learn another 20 years.
The connotations aren't exactly same but somehow the
quote brings that one up in me.
I think education in high school _and_ college depends
mostly on the teachers. If he ever gets a chance to
choose his own style and topics to cover in his
classrooms, then the students' education is directly in
proportion to what that input is. The key is
inspiration. Oppenheimer didn't teach much, but he
could inspire his students.
Every teacher with the exception of tribal ones
(practicing Jews, Bahais, members of unions, ZioNazis,
Israelis, etc), has some topics that he can inspire
others with. It comes natural in the newer citizen-type
humans. Problem is whether he gets the chance or not.
Schedules are very tight and pay is ridiculously low,
relatively speaking.
Homeschooling is risky. It kills even the chance for
the kid, if the parents are tribal. It brings up at
best something like Kolker. At best!
I don't know if it was teachers or the fellow students
themselves, but something inspired Einstein in those
same schools. From the pictures of his earlier years
that I've seen, it looks like it must've been his
fellow students.
And about compensating for childhood inferiority, -
Hahhahah :) - what a way to put it. Perhaps you have a
point but more likely we do that while we're still not
fully grown. I think the behavior should become a thing
of the past after one's 20's are over, if maturity has
actually _fully_ set in.
I personally have mostly been compensating for my
childhood sins, not inferiorities. Inferiorities I have
overcome, but sins cannot be undone, even the
inadvertent ones .. A lot of meaning for life I find in
myself comes from the desire not to repeat such sins
and yet newer more subtle ones still every now and then
trick me into it.
--
"morghe hamsAyeh ghAzeh."
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