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"mogul" |
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13 Jun 2007 11:13:56 AM |
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Einstein was right |
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
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| Title: Re: Einstein was right |
13 Jun 2007 02:52:18 PM |
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On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jun 2007 03:10:57 PM |
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On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
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13 Jun 2007 04:04:21 PM |
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On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black =
hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory=
of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jun 2007 04:13:50 PM |
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On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
André Michaud
Do post the link... I have already read them, but others may like
to read Anderson et al's words.
Don't you find it curious that the anomalous acceleration is not
detected in countless other solar system bodies, André!
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13 Jun 2007 06:35:20 PM |
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On 13 juin, 17:13, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the blac=
k hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theo=
ry of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
Andr=E9 Michaud
Do post the link... I have already read them, but others may like
to read Anderson et al's words.
fine:
hep-ph/9412234 on Gravitational Anomalies
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/hep-ph/9412#hep-ph/9412234
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/hep-ph/9412234?host=3Dlanl.arXiv.org
gr-qc/9808081 on Anomalous Acceleration
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/gr-qc/9808#gr-qc/9808081
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/gr-qc/9808081?host=3Dlanl.arXiv.org
For all other papers by Anderson et al. on the Pioneer anomaly
http://lanl.arxiv.org/find/grp_q-bio,grp_cs,grp_physics,grp_math,grp_...
Don't you find it curious that the anomalous acceleration is not
detected in countless other solar system bodies, Andr=E9!
Not at all. The pioneers are the only small bodies that are
on hyperbolic escape trajectories that sent back signals
long enough for the anomalies (both types: tighter spiral
trajectory and axial spin slow down) to be accurately
measured.
Once you understand this, you will be on the path to
redemption :-)
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jun 2007 06:47:37 PM |
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wrote:
On 13 juin, 17:13, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
André Michaud
Do post the link... I have already read them, but others may like
to read Anderson et al's words.
fine:
hep-ph/9412234 on Gravitational Anomalies
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/hep-ph/9412#hep-ph/9412234
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/hep-ph/9412234?host=lanl.arXiv.org
gr-qc/9808081 on Anomalous Acceleration
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/gr-qc/9808#gr-qc/9808081
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/gr-qc/9808081?host=lanl.arXiv.org
For all other papers by Anderson et al. on the Pioneer anomaly
http://lanl.arxiv.org/find/grp_q-bio,grp_cs,grp_physics,grp_math,grp_...
Don't you find it curious that the anomalous acceleration is not
detected in countless other solar system bodies, André!
Not at all. The pioneers are the only small bodies that are
on hyperbolic escape trajectories that sent back signals
long enough for the anomalies (both types: tighter spiral
trajectory and axial spin slow down) to be accurately
measured.
Argument without merit, André! You're pissing into the wind!
Once you understand this, you will be on the path to
redemption :-)
André Michaud
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13 Jun 2007 07:02:37 PM |
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On 13 juin, 19:47, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 17:13, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the bl=
ack hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method =
of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct th=
eory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
Andr=E9 Michaud
Do post the link... I have already read them, but others may like
to read Anderson et al's words.
fine:
hep-ph/9412234 on Gravitational Anomalies
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/hep-ph/9412#hep-ph/9412234
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/hep-ph/9412234?host=3Dlanl.arXiv.org
gr-qc/9808081 on Anomalous Acceleration
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/gr-qc/9808#gr-qc/9808081
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/gr-qc/9808081?host=3Dlanl.arXiv.org
For all other papers by Anderson et al. on the Pioneer anomaly
http://lanl.arxiv.org/find/grp_q-bio,grp_cs,grp_physics,grp_math,grp_...
Don't you find it curious that the anomalous acceleration is not
detected in countless other solar system bodies, Andr=E9!
Not at all. The pioneers are the only small bodies that are
on hyperbolic escape trajectories that sent back signals
long enough for the anomalies (both types: tighter spiral
trajectory and axial spin slow down) to be accurately
measured.
Argument without merit, Andr=E9! You're pissing into the wind!
Th OP now has at his disposal all he needs to make up his
own mind if he so wished. That's all I wanted to make certain
of.
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jun 2007 07:07:00 PM |
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wrote:
On 13 juin, 19:47, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 17:13, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 16:10, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
GTR is doing fine... the anomalous acceleration of the probes is
most likely due to processes modeled by Newtonian mechanics.
You forget to mention that Anderson et al 's papers reporting and
studying the anomalies, and finding no solution, refer to GTR and
not to Newtonian mechanics as being unable to account for
the anomalies.
If you wish, I can post the links to their papers that you
know very well about for the OP to verify for himself.
André Michaud
Do post the link... I have already read them, but others may like
to read Anderson et al's words.
fine:
hep-ph/9412234 on Gravitational Anomalies
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/hep-ph/9412#hep-ph/9412234
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/hep-ph/9412234?host=lanl.arXiv.org
gr-qc/9808081 on Anomalous Acceleration
http://xxx.lanl.gov/list/gr-qc/9808#gr-qc/9808081
Citations
http://arxiv.org/cits/gr-qc/9808081?host=lanl.arXiv.org
For all other papers by Anderson et al. on the Pioneer anomaly
http://lanl.arxiv.org/find/grp_q-bio,grp_cs,grp_physics,grp_math,grp_...
Don't you find it curious that the anomalous acceleration is not
detected in countless other solar system bodies, André!
Not at all. The pioneers are the only small bodies that are
on hyperbolic escape trajectories that sent back signals
long enough for the anomalies (both types: tighter spiral
trajectory and axial spin slow down) to be accurately
measured.
Argument without merit, André! You're pissing into the wind!
Th OP now has at his disposal all he needs to make up his
own mind if he so wished. That's all I wanted to make certain
of.
André Michaud
Fair enough!
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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13 Jun 2007 04:21:07 PM |
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On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
Some probes, not others... in all probability is is due to unaccounted
for forces on the three probes in question.
For Background, readers should see Anderson, et al paper, "The Apparent
Anomalous, Weak, Long-Range Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11":
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0104064
The acceleration produced by directional radiation from these
spacecraft is calculated to be (10.3 ± 1.3) x 10^-8 cm s^-2 which
is consistent with the acceleration of 12 ± 3 x 10^-8 cm s^-2 reported
by Anderson, et al.
Also: http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0205059
From: Michael Martin Nieto <m...@lanl.gov>
Date (v1): Wed, 15 May 2002 19:33:18 GMT (56kb)
Date (revised v2): Mon, 27 May 2002 20:13:34 GMT (57kb)
Date (revised v3): Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:53:43 GMT (58kb)
A Mission to Test the Pioneer Anomaly
Authors: John D. Anderson, Michael Martin Nieto, Slava G. Turyshev
Comments: Final changes for publication. Honorable Mention, 2002
Gravity Research Foundation Essays
Report-no: LA-UR-02-29
Journal-ref: Int.J.Mod.Phys. D11 (2002) 1545-1552
Analysis of the radio tracking data from the Pioneer 10/11
spacecraft has consistently indicated the presence of an anomalous
small Doppler frequency drift. The drift can be interpreted as
being due to a constant acceleration of a_P= (8.74 +/- 1.33) x
10^{-8} cm/s^2 directed towards the Sun. Although it is suspected
that there is a systematic origin to the effect, none has been
found. The nature of this anomaly has become of growing interest in
the fields of relativistic cosmology, astro- and gravitational
physics as well as in the areas of spacecraft design and
high-precision navigation. We present a concept for a designated
deep-space mission to test the discovered anomaly. A number of
critical requirements and design considerations for such a mission
are outlined and addressed.
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13 Jun 2007 06:58:02 PM |
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On 13 juin, 17:21, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black =
hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory=
of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
Some probes, not others... in all probability is is due to unaccounted
for forces on the three probes in question.
For Background, readers should see Anderson, et al paper, "The Apparent
Anomalous, Weak, Long-Range Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11":
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0104064
The acceleration produced by directional radiation from these
spacecraft is calculated to be (10.3 =B1 1.3) x 10^-8 cm s^-2 which
is consistent with the acceleration of 12 =B1 3 x 10^-8 cm s^-2 report=
ed
by Anderson, et al.
Also:http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0205059
From: Michael Martin Nieto <m...@lanl.gov>
Date (v1): Wed, 15 May 2002 19:33:18 GMT (56kb)
Date (revised v2): Mon, 27 May 2002 20:13:34 GMT (57kb)
Date (revised v3): Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:53:43 GMT (58kb)
A Mission to Test the Pioneer Anomaly
Authors: John D. Anderson, Michael Martin Nieto, Slava G. Turyshev
Comments: Final changes for publication. Honorable Mention, 2002
Gravity Research Foundation Essays
Report-no: LA-UR-02-29
Journal-ref: Int.J.Mod.Phys. D11 (2002) 1545-1552
Analysis of the radio tracking data from the Pioneer 10/11
spacecraft has consistently indicated the presence of an anomalous
small Doppler frequency drift. The drift can be interpreted as
being due to a constant acceleration of a_P=3D (8.74 +/- 1.33) x
10^{-8} cm/s^2 directed towards the Sun. Although it is suspected
that there is a systematic origin to the effect, none has been
found. The nature of this anomaly has become of growing interest in
the fields of relativistic cosmology, astro- and gravitational
physics as well as in the areas of spacecraft design and
high-precision navigation. We present a concept for a designated
deep-space mission to test the discovered anomaly. A number of
critical requirements and design considerations for such a mission
are outlined and addressed.
You failed to mention the other so-called pioneers anomaly. That
regarding the so-called "unexplained" axial spin slowdown:
Another thorn in GR's foot (or is it SR's foot, this time !!) :
John D. Anderson et al., Study of the anomalous acceleration of
Pioneer 10 and 11,
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0104/0104064.pdf
Andr=E9 Michaud
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13 Jun 2007 07:03:17 PM |
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wrote:
On 13 juin, 17:21, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
André Michaud
Some probes, not others... in all probability is is due to unaccounted
for forces on the three probes in question.
For Background, readers should see Anderson, et al paper, "The Apparent
Anomalous, Weak, Long-Range Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11":
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0104064
The acceleration produced by directional radiation from these
spacecraft is calculated to be (10.3 ± 1.3) x 10^-8 cm s^-2 which
is consistent with the acceleration of 12 ± 3 x 10^-8 cm s^-2 reported
by Anderson, et al.
Also:http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0205059
From: Michael Martin Nieto <m...@lanl.gov>
Date (v1): Wed, 15 May 2002 19:33:18 GMT (56kb)
Date (revised v2): Mon, 27 May 2002 20:13:34 GMT (57kb)
Date (revised v3): Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:53:43 GMT (58kb)
A Mission to Test the Pioneer Anomaly
Authors: John D. Anderson, Michael Martin Nieto, Slava G. Turyshev
Comments: Final changes for publication. Honorable Mention, 2002
Gravity Research Foundation Essays
Report-no: LA-UR-02-29
Journal-ref: Int.J.Mod.Phys. D11 (2002) 1545-1552
Analysis of the radio tracking data from the Pioneer 10/11
spacecraft has consistently indicated the presence of an anomalous
small Doppler frequency drift. The drift can be interpreted as
being due to a constant acceleration of a_P= (8.74 +/- 1.33) x
10^{-8} cm/s^2 directed towards the Sun. Although it is suspected
that there is a systematic origin to the effect, none has been
found. The nature of this anomaly has become of growing interest in
the fields of relativistic cosmology, astro- and gravitational
physics as well as in the areas of spacecraft design and
high-precision navigation. We present a concept for a designated
deep-space mission to test the discovered anomaly. A number of
critical requirements and design considerations for such a mission
are outlined and addressed.
You failed to mention the other so-called pioneers anomaly. That
regarding the so-called "unexplained" axial spin slowdown:
Another thorn in GR's foot (or is it SR's foot, this time !!) :
John D. Anderson et al., Study of the anomalous acceleration of
Pioneer 10 and 11,
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0104/0104064.pdf
André Michaud
I repeat--it is suspected to be a systematic origin for both effects,
André.
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13 Jun 2007 08:07:25 PM |
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On 13 juin, 20:03, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 17:21, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
s...@microtec.net wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the blac=
k hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theo=
ry of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
Andr=E9 Michaud
Some probes, not others... in all probability is is due to unaccoun=
ted
for forces on the three probes in question.
For Background, readers should see Anderson, et al paper, "The Appa=
rent
Anomalous, Weak, Long-Range Acceleration of Pioneer 10 and 11":
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0104064
The acceleration produced by directional radiation from these
spacecraft is calculated to be (10.3 =B1 1.3) x 10^-8 cm s^-2 which
is consistent with the acceleration of 12 =B1 3 x 10^-8 cm s^-2 rep=
orted
by Anderson, et al.
Also:http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0205059
General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology, abstract
gr-qc/0205059
From: Michael Martin Nieto <m...@lanl.gov>
Date (v1): Wed, 15 May 2002 19:33:18 GMT (56kb)
Date (revised v2): Mon, 27 May 2002 20:13:34 GMT (57kb)
Date (revised v3): Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:53:43 GMT (58kb)
A Mission to Test the Pioneer Anomaly
Authors: John D. Anderson, Michael Martin Nieto, Slava G. Turyshev
Comments: Final changes for publication. Honorable Mention, 2002
Gravity Research Foundation Essays
Report-no: LA-UR-02-29
Journal-ref: Int.J.Mod.Phys. D11 (2002) 1545-1552
Analysis of the radio tracking data from the Pioneer 10/11
spacecraft has consistently indicated the presence of an anomalous
small Doppler frequency drift. The drift can be interpreted as
being due to a constant acceleration of a_P=3D (8.74 +/- 1.33) x
10^{-8} cm/s^2 directed towards the Sun. Although it is suspected
that there is a systematic origin to the effect, none has been
found. The nature of this anomaly has become of growing interest =
in
the fields of relativistic cosmology, astro- and gravitational
physics as well as in the areas of spacecraft design and
high-precision navigation. We present a concept for a designated
deep-space mission to test the discovered anomaly. A number of
critical requirements and design considerations for such a mission
are outlined and addressed.
You failed to mention the other so-called pioneers anomaly. That
regarding the so-called "unexplained" axial spin slowdown:
Another thorn in GR's foot (or is it SR's foot, this time !!) :
John D. Anderson et al., Study of the anomalous acceleration of
Pioneer 10 and 11,
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0104/0104064.pdf
Andr=E9 Michaud
I repeat--it is suspected to be a systematic origin for both effects,
Andr=E9.
Of course, yes. A systematic origin that can't be accounted for
by the only general theory that is supposed to cover all cases
of inertial motion.
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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13 Jun 2007 03:35:33 PM |
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On Jun 13, 11:52 am, wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black h=
ole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory =
of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
..=2E.yes, because it is completely impossible that the Pioneer probes
might have a slight asymmetry in heat emission or outgassing.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to invoke a brand new force that
only affects man made probes and does not bother asteroids, stars,
planets, comets, pulsars...
Andr=E9 Michaud
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13 Jun 2007 04:07:33 PM |
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On 13 juin, 16:35, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:52 am, wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black=
hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theor=
y of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
...yes, because it is completely impossible that the Pioneer probes
might have a slight asymmetry in heat emission or outgassing.
Behaving all along as if they were slightly more massive than they
were measured to be before launch is not a slight asymmetry.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to invoke a brand new force that
only affects man made probes and does not bother asteroids, stars,
planets, comets, pulsars...
It is ridiculous to invoque some magic "new force" when better
understanding of rest mass would resolve the issue without
resorting to magic.
Andr=E9 Michaud
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13 Jun 2007 04:33:35 PM |
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On Jun 13, 1:07 pm, wrote:
On 13 juin, 16:35, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 13, 11:52 am, wrote:
On 13 juin, 12:13, "mogul" <rvo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Who would believe general relativity had all the answers to the black hole
jets and the dark matter problems as well as the realistic method of
creating the macroscopic wormhole?
Don't you think it should, if general relativity is the correct theory of
the universe. I think so.
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com/
A "little problem" with GR is that it is unable to calculate
the true trajectories of both Pioneer 10 and 11. It definitely
does not provides all the answers.
...yes, because it is completely impossible that the Pioneer probes
might have a slight asymmetry in heat emission or outgassing.
Behaving all along as if they were slightly more massive than they
were measured to be before launch is not a slight asymmetry.
Why are you even talking about the Pioneer anomaly when you clearly do
not even know what it is?
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