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"Perspicacious" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:38:51 AM |
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Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time |
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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18 Aug 2005 11:26:27 AM |
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"Perspicacious" <iperspicacious@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1124379531.041373.104460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Well, Eugene, with Androcles you are in excellent company
on this one:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:users%2Epandora%2Ebe+androcles
Try to keep it up until you die.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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18 Aug 2005 01:32:04 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations.
[snip crap]
Idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time |
20 Aug 2005 01:25:12 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR [etc]
If you actually believed what you're saying, you would have stated
specific quotes and citations where this occurred. You didn't
therefore you don't; and you've just automatically admitted in as many
words that you believe what you just said is false; and that saying it
was a lie.
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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| Title: Re: Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time |
20 Aug 2005 03:22:36 PM |
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wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/42fe7e203b6191b6
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR [etc]
If you actually believed what you're saying, you would have stated
specific quotes and citations where this occurred. You didn't
therefore you don't; and you've just automatically admitted in as
many words that you believe what you just said is false; and that
saying it was a lie.
What you are saying is that you don't recognize any similarity
between Einstein's simplified explanation of special relativity
http://www.bartleby.com/173/12.html
and that of typical, popular, university level accounts on the
internet, meant for mature students and children
http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/%7ecfadd/1160/Ch27SpRl/ApLrntz.html
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/ferminews/santa/
when compared to and contrasted with section 1 of
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf ?
You also seem to insinuate, like Bill Hobba, (who claims to
understand physics at the graduate-level), that an emphasis
on or even a belief in the homogeneity of time, in special
relativity, is a delusion of an incredibly sick crank who
is blatantly ignorant of all his unanswerable, truth-filled
instruction.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/9a3c93b018914d4c
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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20 Aug 2005 03:32:38 PM |
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Hubble constant.
16 BLY away stars go away at c.
Thats the edge of the VISIBLE universe.
=A0=A0Outside the visible universe stars go away faster than c with
respect to our center of our universe. But its universe has the same
laws w do and a photon is c .
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Dark Energy is spacetime is 0 wavelength at c. The
photon will pass you at 0 wavelenth at c.
=A0=A0The only empty space is where a partical at c in orbit of atoms
takes up space wile at c.
Thats mass and more motion is more empty space more low .
=A0=A0............................................
Gravity is the shape of the atom wile all its parts orbit the center of
G , an eliptical orbit has a center of mass and a center of gravity. F
is the distance from the center of gravity to the center of mass.
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| User: "" |
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20 Aug 2005 03:31:10 PM |
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Darlene, peel me another grape.
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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18 Aug 2005 09:39:11 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations.
[snip]
Then stop.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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18 Aug 2005 12:09:56 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Too bad you've never really learned relativity, Shubert. You've
been posting here for a few years, but you don't seem to get
the message that you don't understand relativity. Pity really!
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| User: "TokaMundo" |
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18 Aug 2005 12:18:06 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:09:56 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com>
Gave us:
Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Too bad you've never really learned relativity, Shubert. You've
been posting here for a few years, but you don't seem to get
the message that you don't understand relativity. Pity really!
He is relatively irrelevant.
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| User: "jem" |
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18 Aug 2005 12:32:14 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Knock it off with this crap, Shubert! You're like the new math student
who finds out that "1+1=2" can be proven from more basic assumptions,
and becomes obsessed with discovering the best possible proof in order
to ensure that future students won't be confused by addition.
Your goal of a better derivation of the Lorentz Transformation is
misguided (or more aptly, just plain silly). As far as Physics is
concerned all that matters is that a transformation rule is available
for expressing the relationship between the measurements of relatively
moving observers. Whether the rule is derived from other assumptions or
simply assumed, is irrelevant.
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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18 Aug 2005 01:03:44 PM |
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jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Your goal of a better derivation of the Lorentz Transformation
is misguided ...
You clearly misunderstand the purpose of this thread. The subject
is about Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
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| User: "jem" |
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18 Aug 2005 01:58:24 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations. Why
concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles. I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and
time.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Your goal of a better derivation of the Lorentz Transformation
is misguided ...
You clearly misunderstand the purpose of this thread. The subject
is about Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time.
Get real. The physical characterizations of space and time in
Relativity are the measurements made with rulers and clocks.
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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18 Aug 2005 05:00:21 PM |
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Einstein's lopsided caricature of space
and time comes from his unsophisticated
dependence on a cosmic everywhere present
"now." Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
The essential characteristic and most
distinguishing feature of special
relativity done right is the
homogeneity of time.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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18 Aug 2005 05:05:05 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Einstein's lopsided caricature of space
and time comes from his unsophisticated
dependence on a cosmic everywhere present
"now." Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
The essential characteristic and most
distinguishing feature of special
relativity done right is the
homogeneity of time.
Empirical idiot.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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18 Aug 2005 07:22:51 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Einstein's lopsided caricature of space
and time comes from his unsophisticated
dependence on a cosmic everywhere present
"now." Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
The essential characteristic and most
distinguishing feature of special
relativity done right is the
homogeneity of time.
Shubertian physics... oops... it's not even physics. Go play elsewhere.
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| User: "jem" |
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19 Aug 2005 07:09:49 AM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Einstein's lopsided caricature of space
and time comes from his unsophisticated
dependence on a cosmic everywhere present
"now." Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
The essential characteristic and most
distinguishing feature of special
relativity done right is the
homogeneity of time.
The "lopsided caricature" is of your own making. Where did you get the
idea that eliminating a theory's arbitrary elements improves the theory?
Physics is not math - generalization is not a goal.
How do you figure that "homogeneity of time" is the "most distinguishing
feature of SR" when it's a feature of Newtonian Physics as well?
By definition, SR is "SR done right". If your doing something
different, then it's not SR.
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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19 Aug 2005 08:44:41 AM |
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jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
Einstein's lopsided caricature of space
and time comes from his unsophisticated
dependence on a cosmic everywhere present
"now." Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
The essential characteristic and most
distinguishing feature of special
relativity done right is the
homogeneity of time.
The "lopsided caricature" is of your own making.
Nonsense. It's integral to all popular presentations of SR.
Where did you get the idea that eliminating a theory's
arbitrary elements improves the theory?
It's an evidence of some understanding if one is able to distinguish
between core essentials and extraneous irrelevance.
Physics is not math - generalization is not a goal.
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes. A
universe is a mathematical model that describes spacetime, matter,
energy and their interactions." (
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf page 1).
Hype, the worship of Albert Einstein, opposing clear thinking and
misinterpreting mathematics, is not physics.
How do you figure that "homogeneity of time" is the "most distinguishing
feature of SR" when it's a feature of Newtonian Physics as well?
Is it an important enough characteristic of SR to deserve honorable
mention? Galilean relativity is just a special case of the more general
Lorentzian transformation.
By definition, SR is "SR done right". If you're doing something
different, then it's not SR.
Bill Hobba is on record asserting that, in special relativity, belief
in the homogeneity of time is a blatantly false statement produced by
incredibly sick cranks.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/abf7a4a7d21bb362
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/9a3c93b018914d4c
Evidently, Hobba doesn't understand the essence of special relativity.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
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| User: "jem" |
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19 Aug 2005 11:16:58 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes.
Physics attempts to describe the universe we live in. (Well, perhaps
not the one you live in).
A
universe is a mathematical model that describes spacetime, matter,
energy and their interactions."
Physical models don't "describe spacetime, matter, energy and their
interactions" (i.e. as if such things existed outside of models).
Models use arbitrary entities with defined behaviors (e.g. spacetime,
energy, etc.) in an attempt to duplicate the observed functioning of
natural phenomena.
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| User: "Perspicacious" |
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20 Aug 2005 01:37:30 AM |
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jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes.
Physics attempts to describe the universe we live in. (Well, perhaps
not the one you live in).
The number of string theories alone exceeds 10^300.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/no-new-einstein.pdf
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| User: "Annette Deboer" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:28:41 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes.
Physics attempts to describe the universe we live in. (Well, perhaps
not the one you live in).
The number of string theories alone exceeds 10^300.
Irrelevant. The number of possible theories is infinite. Physics
attempts to *empirically* resolve which *one* of those theories
describes *this* universe.
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| User: "Jem" |
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01 Sep 2005 12:31:10 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes.
Physics attempts to describe the universe we live in. (Well, perhaps
not the one you live in).
The number of string theories alone exceeds 10^300.
Irrelevant. The number of possible theories is infinite. Physics
attempts to *empirically* resolve which *one* of those theories
describes *this* universe.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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20 Aug 2005 09:10:48 AM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
jem wrote:
Perspicacious wrote:
"Physics is the mathematical study of all conceivable universes.
Physics attempts to describe the universe we live in. (Well, perhaps
not the one you live in).
The number of string theories alone exceeds 10^300.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/no-new-einstein.pdf
And you can't even show us half a dozen of them.
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| User: "Pyriform" |
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18 Aug 2005 07:18:41 PM |
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Perspicacious wrote:
Shubertian physics is independent
of arbitrary clock synchronizations.
And of the known Universe...
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| User: "darthpup" |
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20 Aug 2005 06:59:16 AM |
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This guy has got to be a "sand bag" filled with horse manure!
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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20 Aug 2005 08:05:02 AM |
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"darthpup" <amchitka@mailexcite.com> wrote in message
news:1124539155.958998.284060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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Depends on whom you are referring. Few of us can figure who "this guy"
is.
Androcles
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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20 Aug 2005 08:33:29 AM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message news:2UFNe.6128$5m3.3@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"darthpup" <amchitka@mailexcite.com> wrote in message
news:1124539155.958998.284060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
| This guy has got to be a "sand bag" filled with horse manure!
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Depends on whom you are referring. Few of us can figure who "this guy"
is.
It might be you - again.
You did it at least 3 times before, so you will do it again.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Bilge" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:38:00 AM |
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Perspirationicus:
I have no interest in defending or critiquing Einstein's poorly
expressed if not grotesquely convoluted misrepresentations.
Wise choice on your part, since you evidently have no aptitude for
the task.
Why concern yourself with a muddled explanation of special relativity
when a clear exposition is readily available?
Does that mean you're finally convinced that your efforts in
this area have been wasted due to your many misconcpetions
on the subject?
Einstein did indeed propagandize and dupe millions into thinking
that the essence of SR is all about his special and confusing
riddles.
Then, apparently he was a much better salesman than your are as well
as being incomparably better at physics and math than you could ever
imagine possible. Maybe you should study his technique for use in any
evangelical crusades you're planning for some future date.
I reject Einstein's lopsided caricature of space and time.
Einsein never said space and time were lop-sided. Im not even sure
what lop-sided space and time would mean.
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| User: "Schoenfeld" |
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22 Aug 2005 08:06:18 AM |
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Bilge wrote:
[remove]
READER WARNING: "Bilge" is a pathalogical liar and a troll.
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| User: "TomGee" |
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22 Aug 2005 11:52:49 AM |
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Schoenfeld, he's also a Terrorist who sends your responses to his posts
to alt.moron and claims he has the right to do that just like other
terrorists have the right to bomb us in defense of their right to be
terrorists.
He is no different than Min who spews his hatred of democratic rights
with his lies about his beloved republicans. He is not as literate as
Min though so he cannot make as good an argument about why he disagrees
with something as Min does.
Both are well-known in these parts.
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| User: "Pyriform" |
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22 Aug 2005 07:18:13 PM |
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TomGee wrote:
Schoenfeld, he's also a Terrorist who sends your responses to his
posts to alt.moron and claims he has the right to do that just like
other terrorists have the right to bomb us in defense of their right
to be terrorists.
You are of course absolutely right to compare your public humiliation
with the tearing asunder of limbs and the taking of innocent lives in
pursuit of a religious/political agenda.
The two activities are virtually indistinguishable.
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