| Topic: |
Science > Physics |
| User: |
"Pentcho Valev" |
| Date: |
09 Jul 2006 12:32:58 AM |
| Object: |
EINSTEIN'S SIN |
The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
interpretations:
1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c is
the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the relative
speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
etc.) can be introduced.
2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative
speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time
dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
obvious.
The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second
was adopted. That was the beginning of a wrong science of course but by
no means a sin. The sin started when Einstein implicitly introduced the
true c'=c+v interpretation, thereby obtaining correct results (e.g. the
frequency shift factor), and conserved the false principle of constancy
of the speed of light plus appended miracles, thereby destroying the
rationality of generations of scientists.
In 1911 Einstein showed that in a gravitational field the speed of
light is variable and advanced the formula
c' = c(1 + V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential. One can apply the equivalence
principle as shown in
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
c'=c+v.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Szczepan Bialek" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 04:21:50 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <> wrote:
The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
interpretations:
1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c is
the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the relative
speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
etc.) can be introduced.
2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative
speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time
dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
obvious.
The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second
was adopted.
And what do you think about the Steven Rodo's interpretation:
"Aethro-Kinematics uncovers the fundamental misconception that the Earth
moves relative to the Aether and reinstates Descartes' original theory that
the Earth and the planets are carried within the gigantic Aether-vortex of
the Sun.
Since there is no relative motion between the Earth and Aether, the
Michelson-Morley experiments cannot show anything but 'Null-results'. The
measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions. --
Thus, the relativistic postulates and their mathematical machinery is
superfluous and wrong....."
Steve
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 09:23:20 AM |
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"Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:e8qhos$eoh$1@news.isp.telenergo.pl...
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| "Pentcho Valev" <> wrote:
| > The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
| > interpretations:
| >
| > 1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
| > of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c is
| > the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
| > simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
| > etc.) can be introduced.
| >
| > 2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time
| > dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
| > falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
| > obvious.
| >
| > The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second
| > was adopted.
|
| And what do you think about the Steven Rodo's interpretation:
| "Aethro-Kinematics uncovers the fundamental misconception that the Earth
| moves relative to the Aether and reinstates Descartes' original theory
that
| the Earth and the planets are carried within the gigantic Aether-vortex of
| the Sun.
| Since there is no relative motion between the Earth and Aether, the
| Michelson-Morley experiments cannot show anything but 'Null-results'. The
| measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions. --
| Thus, the relativistic postulates and their mathematical machinery is
| superfluous and wrong....."
|
| Steve
"The measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions."
It seemeth impossible for it to be, for if I walk away from a candle set by
the wall and you walk toward the same candle, we then have some motion
between us. If we then divide that motion equally between us, and impart it
to the candle such that it appeareth to be at rest upon the floor upon which
we walk, how then doth the light divide it's motion between us, that we may
both observe it to be the same?
And if I place another candle on the other side of us beside the opposing
wall, such that it is at rest with respect to the first candle, how then
shall I determine the light I approach and the light I recede from, that
they be of equal motion to me?
And yet one more candle, be it placed between us in the room, at centre,
that we may both recede from it and still determine that the motion of light
from all candles be the same?
I am but a simple man, and sorely perplexed by these deliberations, for it
is truly astounding that these assertions be true. Explain this wondrous
concept any sensible way you can, but gently, for it shall surely confound
me and cause my head to ache.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm
Androcles.
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| User: "Szczepan Bia³ek" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 03:38:27 PM |
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>wrote in message
news:sj8sg.71318$7Z6.59396@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
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|
| "Pentcho Valev" <> wrote:
| > The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
| > interpretations:
| >
| > 1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
| > of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c
is
| > the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the
relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
| > simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
| > etc.) can be introduced.
| >
| > 2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the
relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles
(time
| > dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
| > falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
| > obvious.
| >
| > The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second
| > was adopted.
|
| And what do you think about the Steven Rodo's interpretation:
| "Aethro-Kinematics uncovers the fundamental misconception that the Earth
| moves relative to the Aether and reinstates Descartes' original theory
that
| the Earth and the planets are carried within the gigantic Aether-vortex
of
| the Sun.
| Since there is no relative motion between the Earth and Aether, the
| Michelson-Morley experiments cannot show anything but 'Null-results'.
The
| measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions. --
| Thus, the relativistic postulates and their mathematical machinery is
| superfluous and wrong....."
|
| Steve
"The measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions."
"All directions" in above means: the directions in MM apparatus. I suppose
that Mr Rode knows the Michelson-Gale experiment.
It seemeth impossible for it to be, for if I walk away from a candle set
by
the wall and you walk toward the same candle, we then have some motion
between us. If we then divide that motion equally between us, and impart
it
to the candle such that it appeareth to be at rest upon the floor upon
which
we walk, how then doth the light divide it's motion between us, that we
may
both observe it to be the same?
And if I place another candle on the other side of us beside the opposing
wall, such that it is at rest with respect to the first candle, how then
shall I determine the light I approach and the light I recede from, that
they be of equal motion to me?
And yet one more candle, be it placed between us in the room, at centre,
that we may both recede from it and still determine that the motion of
light
from all candles be the same?
I am but a simple man, and sorely perplexed by these deliberations, for it
is truly astounding that these assertions be true. Explain this wondrous
concept any sensible way you can, but gently, for it shall surely confound
me and cause my head to ache.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm
Androcles.
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried within
the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible interpretation
of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 05:48:33 PM |
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"Szczepan Bia³ek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
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"Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>wrote in message
news:sj8sg.71318$7Z6.59396@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:e8qhos$eoh$1@news.isp.telenergo.pl...
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| "Pentcho Valev" <> wrote:
| > The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
| > interpretations:
| >
| > 1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
| > of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c
is
| > the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the
relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
| > simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
| > etc.) can be introduced.
| >
| > 2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the
relative
| > speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles
(time
| > dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
| > falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would
be
| > obvious.
| >
| > The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the
second
| > was adopted.
|
| And what do you think about the Steven Rodo's interpretation:
| "Aethro-Kinematics uncovers the fundamental misconception that the
Earth
| moves relative to the Aether and reinstates Descartes' original theory
that
| the Earth and the planets are carried within the gigantic Aether-vortex
of
| the Sun.
| Since there is no relative motion between the Earth and Aether, the
| Michelson-Morley experiments cannot show anything but 'Null-results'.
The
| measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all directions. --
| Thus, the relativistic postulates and their mathematical machinery is
| superfluous and wrong....."
|
| Steve
"The measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all
directions."
"All directions" in above means: the directions in MM apparatus. I
suppose that Mr Rode knows the Michelson-Gale experiment.
It seemeth impossible for it to be, for if I walk away from a candle set
by
the wall and you walk toward the same candle, we then have some motion
between us. If we then divide that motion equally between us, and impart
it
to the candle such that it appeareth to be at rest upon the floor upon
which
we walk, how then doth the light divide it's motion between us, that we
may
both observe it to be the same?
And if I place another candle on the other side of us beside the opposing
wall, such that it is at rest with respect to the first candle, how then
shall I determine the light I approach and the light I recede from, that
they be of equal motion to me?
And yet one more candle, be it placed between us in the room, at centre,
that we may both recede from it and still determine that the motion of
light
from all candles be the same?
I am but a simple man, and sorely perplexed by these deliberations, for
it
is truly astounding that these assertions be true. Explain this wondrous
concept any sensible way you can, but gently, for it shall surely
confound
me and cause my head to ache.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm
Androcles.
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible
interpretation of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
kookfite.
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 06:27:19 PM |
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On 9/7/06 23:48, in article XM6dneoPutBaGizZRVnyrg@pipex.net, "T Wake"
<Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible
interpretation of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
kookfite.
Seeing as Relfy has took his ball home, its the only fun we'll see tonight
;-)
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 06:50:13 PM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:C0D74F67.DE94%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
On 9/7/06 23:48, in article XM6dneoPutBaGizZRVnyrg@pipex.net, "T Wake"
<Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible
interpretation of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
kookfite.
Seeing as Relfy has took his ball home, its the only fun we'll see tonight
;-)
sadly :-)
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 07:20:03 PM |
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T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:C0D74F67.DE94%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
On 9/7/06 23:48, in article XM6dneoPutBaGizZRVnyrg@pipex.net, "T Wake"
<Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible
interpretation of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
kookfite.
Seeing as Relfy has took his ball home, its the only fun we'll see tonight
;-)
sadly :-)
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
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Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
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as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 07:43:16 PM |
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In article <090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com>, Art Deco <erfc@netcabal.com>
wrote:
T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:C0D74F67.DE94%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
On 9/7/06 23:48, in article XM6dneoPutBaGizZRVnyrg@pipex.net, "T Wake"
<Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible
interpretation of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
kookfite.
Seeing as Relfy has took his ball home, its the only fun we'll see tonight
;-)
sadly :-)
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
i am a maxwell demon
arf meow arf - nsa fodder
ny dnrqn greebevfz ahpyrne obzo vena gnyvona ovt oebgure
if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 07:44:39 PM |
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On 10/7/06 01:43, in article
mair_fheal-CA5E37.17431609072006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net, "mariposas
rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote:
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
i am a maxwell demon
I heard you had a job as doorman for gas molecules? Whats the pay like ;-)
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 07:29:36 PM |
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On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 07:49:07 PM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
10 Jul 2006 11:00:36 AM |
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"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com...
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted
with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
Brilliant link. That is going to entertain me for quite some time.
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| User: "Art Deco" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
10 Jul 2006 09:50:37 PM |
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T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com...
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted
with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
Brilliant link. That is going to entertain me for quite some time.
BTW -- this link was provided by none other than Alexa Cameron, the
Queen of Kooks, Screed, and Conspiracies Galore:
<http://www.netcabal.com/auk/kookle.php?search=alexa+cam>
"Scalar weapons" is one of her favorite subjects to rant about. She
can be found inhabiting alt.alien.visitors, and lots and lots of
alt.politics.* froups. Be sure to ask her about the cardboard flying
saucer stored at Kook Lake.
A somewhat out-of-date list of her sockpuppets over the years:
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
Currently posting as "www.peaceinspace.com"
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
11 Jul 2006 01:20:33 PM |
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"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:100720062050376904%erfc@netcabal.com...
BTW -- this link was provided by none other than Alexa Cameron, the
Queen of Kooks, Screed, and Conspiracies Galore:
<http://www.netcabal.com/auk/kookle.php?search=alexa+cam>
"Scalar weapons" is one of her favorite subjects to rant about. She
can be found inhabiting alt.alien.visitors, and lots and lots of
alt.politics.* froups. Be sure to ask her about the cardboard flying
saucer stored at Kook Lake.
A somewhat out-of-date list of her sockpuppets over the years:
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
Currently posting as "www.peaceinspace.com"
Even more brilliance. I have heard the name Alexa Cameron bandied about the
net in the past - never flattering either :-0
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T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:100720062050376904%erfc@netcabal.com...
BTW -- this link was provided by none other than Alexa Cameron, the
Queen of Kooks, Screed, and Conspiracies Galore:
<http://www.netcabal.com/auk/kookle.php?search=alexa+cam>
"Scalar weapons" is one of her favorite subjects to rant about. She
can be found inhabiting alt.alien.visitors, and lots and lots of
alt.politics.* froups. Be sure to ask her about the cardboard flying
saucer stored at Kook Lake.
A somewhat out-of-date list of her sockpuppets over the years:
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/alexa/socks.html>
Currently posting as "www.peaceinspace.com"
Even more brilliance. I have heard the name Alexa Cameron bandied about the
net in the past - never flattering either :-0
She's been doing the same kookdance for over 10 years now with only
small breaks in the action.
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:110720061943068060%erfc@netcabal.com...
T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
Even more brilliance. I have heard the name Alexa Cameron bandied about
the
net in the past - never flattering either :-0
She's been doing the same kookdance for over 10 years now with only
small breaks in the action.
You've got to love the "stayers" haven't you?....
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:49:49 +0100, "T Wake" <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com>
wrote:
"Art Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote in message
news:110720061943068060%erfc@netcabal.com...
T Wake <Usenet.es7AT@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
Even more brilliance. I have heard the name Alexa Cameron bandied about
the
net in the past - never flattering either :-0
She's been doing the same kookdance for over 10 years now with only
small breaks in the action.
You've got to love the "stayers" haven't you?....
Fart is still ***** about this:
density4@cts.com
blueresonanthuman@cts.com
brotherblue@cts.com
Datel Systems Incorporated (NET-DATEL-NET)
4444 Convoy Street #300
San Diego, CA 92111
Netname: DATEL-NET
Netnumber: 199.201.129.0
Coordinator:
Davis, Morgan (MD92)
619-637-3637
Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
NS.DATEL.COM 199.201.129.97
NS.CTS.COM 192.188.72.18
NCTAMSEP.NAVY.MIL 138.183.254.2
Record last updated on 18-May-94.
Database last updated on 16-Jan-98 04:10:59 EDT.
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"Paul Bonacci, who was simultaneously a victim and
a member of the nationwide pedophile crime syndicate,
has subsequently identified (Michael)
Aquino as the man who ordered the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. In his
February 5 testimony, Bonacci referred to the mastermind of the Gosch
abduction as "the Colonel."
http://www.rense.com/general63/hey.htm
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12 Jul 2006 12:30:26 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:43:06 -0600, Art Deco <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Currently posting as "www.peaceinspace.com"
Even more brilliance.
The Rothschild/Rockefeller Federal Reserve doesn't want
any technology or technological advancement to make money obsolete.
That's why the US/UK/Europe (British Empire) is so technologically
backwards. The Rothschild/Rockefellers are only interested in spy and mind
control technology -- technology which *controls* people, but doesn't free
them from being monetary slaves.
But it's too late, the Russians already have the technology to change all of
that completely.
And they are prepared to use it. And this time Sharon won't be running off
to Moscow begging the KGB not to deploy energetics weaponry.
The jig, my dear, is completely up.
Statement of the situation
• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
Since the late 1970s, Israel has repeatedly saved the United States from
pending destruction.
1970s, saved us from already-inserted Spetznaz teams with nuclear weapons,
who would have blown up our cities.
1986, saved us from pending Soviet attack with energetics weapons,
particularly scalar interferometers.
1997, saved us from Soviet attack twice, which would have been attacks by
the full energetics weapons arsenal.
1999-2000, destroyed millions of nonmaterial robots in subspace inside EM
signals, fields, and potentials throughout the U.S.
Presently, attack is again scheduled, with addition of the eerie new mind
conversion techniques of mind war. .
Israel may be able to save us once again, (editorial comment: zero chance,
Sharon is dead now) in which case we shall survive. (zero chance)
Otherwise, we will be destroyed, beginning about two years from now.
http://www.cheniere.org/books/oblivion/slide_1.htm
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10 Jul 2006 10:23:48 PM |
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Double-A <double-aa@hush.ai> wrote:
Art Deco wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
--
Tom Bearden is not a favorite of this group.
Why? Are scalar weapons not kooky enough for the saucerheads?
Double-A
[froup sneckage defeated]
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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09 Jul 2006 07:53:08 PM |
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On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
WTF!!!
And that's just the first few paragraphs...
I gotta bookmark this - this is pure comedy gold!
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
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09 Jul 2006 08:13:46 PM |
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Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
WTF!!!
And that's just the first few paragraphs...
I gotta bookmark this - this is pure comedy gold!
Heh, Bearden is 100% USDA Choice A-1 Prime Kook.
--
COOSN-266-06-39716
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005
Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion",
as designated by Brad Guth
"Get a rope! Say did you see on the National news about a
'Cross burning' in Arkansas? The black guy was scared
shitless."
-- "Honest" John the crackah without a brain
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09 Jul 2006 08:16:07 PM |
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On 10/7/06 02:13, in article 090720061913467822%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
WTF!!!
And that's just the first few paragraphs...
I gotta bookmark this - this is pure comedy gold!
Heh, Bearden is 100% USDA Choice A-1 Prime Kook.
Mind Control - free energy - conspiracy theories - this guy has it all. All
it needs now is the A Team!
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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10 Jul 2006 08:22:01 AM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:C0D768E7.DEDA%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
On 10/7/06 02:13, in article 090720061913467822%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
WTF!!!
And that's just the first few paragraphs...
I gotta bookmark this - this is pure comedy gold!
Heh, Bearden is 100% USDA Choice A-1 Prime Kook.
Mind Control - free energy - conspiracy theories - this guy has it all.
All
it needs now is the A Team!
Colorado Carl is a member of the A(ss) Team. He's the "Royal Rump Ranger".
OJ
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10 Jul 2006 09:40:53 PM |
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"honestjohn" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:peqdnWgIQ4zDyS_ZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@centurytel.net...
"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote in
message news:C0D768E7.DEDA%phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM...
On 10/7/06 02:13, in article 090720061913467822%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com,
"Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
WTF!!!
And that's just the first few paragraphs...
I gotta bookmark this - this is pure comedy gold!
Heh, Bearden is 100% USDA Choice A-1 Prime Kook.
Mind Control - free energy - conspiracy theories - this guy has it all.
All
it needs now is the A Team!
Colorado Carl is a member of the A(ss) Team. He's the "Royal Rump
Ranger".
OJ
Read the patent.
220VAC 10 A Input
110VAC 5 Amp Output.....
(According to the patent, you have to provide 'switching current' to get the
fields to pulse. This is wnat a transformer does...)
Ya, it's motionless all right...
and totally wotrhless....
Ed
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09 Jul 2006 07:52:18 PM |
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On 10/7/06 01:49, in article 090720061849079105%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com_NOSPAM> wrote:
On 10/7/06 01:20, in article 090720061820034473%erfc@netcabal.com, "Art
Deco" <erfc@netcabal.com> wrote:
It never ceases to amuse me how k00ks are either completely besotted with
Einstein or think he is the devil incarnate.
They are never obsessed with say Heisenburg, Lorentz, or Maxwell to the
same extent. Always Einstein (or "Einstien", according to Beeert).
The only one who gets anywhere near the same love is Tesla
Mostly because of his reputation for developing all manner of
technology that The Establishment cannot allow into the hands of the
common people. A good example (C&C warning):
<http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/scalar_wars.htm>
I view Tesla as a great example and also a terrible warning. Electrical
engineers tend to view him as a genius. Then he went mad ;-)
Good rock band though ;-)
--
Relf's Law? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
"***** repeated to the limit of infinity asymptotically approaches
the odour of roses."
Corollary -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
³It approaches the asymptote faster, the more Œpseduos¹ you throw in your
formulas.²
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Jaffa cakes. Sweet delicious orange jaffa goodness, and an abject lesson
Why parroting information from the web will not teach you cosmology.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Official emperor of sci.physics, head mumbler of the "Cult of INSANE
SCIENCE". Pay no attention to my butt poking forward, it is expanding.
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09 Jul 2006 07:05:43 PM |
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"Szczepan Bia³ek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
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| "Sorcerer" <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics_a>wrote in message
| news:sj8sg.71318$7Z6.59396@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| >
| > "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote in message
| > news:e8qhos$eoh$1@news.isp.telenergo.pl...
| > |
| > | "Pentcho Valev" <> wrote:
| > | > The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
| > | > interpretations:
| > | >
| > | > 1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle
model
| > | > of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c
| > is
| > | > the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the
| > relative
| > | > speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
| > | > simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
| > | > etc.) can be introduced.
| > | >
| > | > 2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the
| > relative
| > | > speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles
| > (time
| > | > dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
| > | > falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would
be
| > | > obvious.
| > | >
| > | > The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the
second
| > | > was adopted.
| > |
| > | And what do you think about the Steven Rodo's interpretation:
| > | "Aethro-Kinematics uncovers the fundamental misconception that the
Earth
| > | moves relative to the Aether and reinstates Descartes' original theory
| > that
| > | the Earth and the planets are carried within the gigantic
Aether-vortex
| > of
| > | the Sun.
| > | Since there is no relative motion between the Earth and Aether, the
| > | Michelson-Morley experiments cannot show anything but 'Null-results'.
| > The
| > | measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all
directions. --
| > | Thus, the relativistic postulates and their mathematical machinery is
| > | superfluous and wrong....."
| > |
| > | Steve
| >
| > "The measured speed of light on Earth must be the same in all
directions."
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| "All directions" in above means: the directions in MM apparatus. I
suppose
| that Mr Rode knows the Michelson-Gale experiment.
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| > It seemeth impossible for it to be, for if I walk away from a candle set
| > by
| > the wall and you walk toward the same candle, we then have some motion
| > between us. If we then divide that motion equally between us, and impart
| > it
| > to the candle such that it appeareth to be at rest upon the floor upon
| > which
| > we walk, how then doth the light divide it's motion between us, that we
| > may
| > both observe it to be the same?
| >
| > And if I place another candle on the other side of us beside the
opposing
| > wall, such that it is at rest with respect to the first candle, how then
| > shall I determine the light I approach and the light I recede from, that
| > they be of equal motion to me?
| > And yet one more candle, be it placed between us in the room, at centre,
| > that we may both recede from it and still determine that the motion of
| > light
| > from all candles be the same?
| >
| > I am but a simple man, and sorely perplexed by these deliberations, for
it
| > is truly astounding that these assertions be true. Explain this wondrous
| > concept any sensible way you can, but gently, for it shall surely
confound
| > me and cause my head to ache.
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/Rocket.htm
| > Androcles.
|
| According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried
within
| the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible interpretation
| of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
| Steve
Lots of crackpots have pet theories. Yours will not be listened to, and you
are not sensible. You may convince a fellow crackpot, try it on Ken Seto.
You were unable to answer my question, I have no more time for you, you are
a *****. *plonk*
Androcles.
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10 Jul 2006 05:06:20 AM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
Lots of crackpots have pet theories. Yours will not be listened to, and you
are not sensible. You may convince a fellow crackpot, try it on Ken Seto.
You were unable to answer my question, I have no more time for you, you are
a *****. *plonk*
Androcles.
you are a fucking retard. how can you accuse anyone else of being an
idiot. do you still jerk off thinking about uncle albert?
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10 Jul 2006 06:23:20 AM |
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"Cranks Reply" <yt56erd@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorcerer wrote:
Lots of crackpots have pet theories. Yours will not be listened to, and
you
are not sensible. You may convince a fellow crackpot, try it on Ken Seto.
You were unable to answer my question, I have no more time for you, you
are
a *****. *plonk*
Androcles.
you are a fucking retard. how can you accuse anyone else of being an
idiot. do you still jerk off thinking about uncle albert?
It is not my theory. It is the Descartes theory adopted (or modified) by
Steven Rode. I am only looking for contradictions or links to discussion
about "the theory that the Earth and the planets are carried within the
gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible interpretation of
the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments"
Now I know Sorcerer opinion - rather radical. Can anybody help?
Steve
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| User: "Szczepan Bia³ek" |
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10 Jul 2006 06:39:59 AM |
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I have made mistake: the name is Rado not Rode. Sorry.
U¿ytkownik "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
news:e8td97$sd8$1@news.isp.telenergo.pl...
"Cranks Reply" <yt56erd@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorcerer wrote:
Lots of crackpots have pet theories. Yours will not be listened to, and
you
are not sensible. You may convince a fellow crackpot, try it on Ken
Seto.
You were unable to answer my question, I have no more time for you, you
are
a *****. *plonk*
Androcles.
you are a fucking retard. how can you accuse anyone else of being an
idiot. do you still jerk off thinking about uncle albert?
It is not my theory. It is the Descartes theory adopted (or modified) by
Steven Rode. I am only looking for contradictions or links to discussion
about "the theory that the Earth and the planets are carried within the
gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible interpretation of
the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments"
Now I know Sorcerer opinion - rather radical. Can anybody help?
Steve
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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09 Jul 2006 03:40:51 PM |
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On 9/7/06 21:38, in article e8rpdh$mg3$1@news.isp.telenergo.pl, "Szczepan
Bia³ek" <sz.bialek@wp.pl> wrote:
According to me theory that the Earth and the planets are carried within
the gigantic Aether-vortex of the Sun is the only sensible interpretation
of the MM and MG (G=Gale) experiments.
Steve
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
09 Jul 2006 04:09:34 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1152423178.346305.285140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| The experiment of Michelson-Morley should have led to two competing
| interpretations:
Whoa... it has. "Should have" doesn't apply and we can't rewrite history,
only record it. There are precedents for Einstein's sin:
"This is the story of a scientific crime. I mean a crime committed by a
scientist against fellow scientists and scholars, a betrayal of the ethics
and integrity of his profession that has forever deprived mankind of
fundamental information about an important area of astronomy and history.
Ptolemy developed certain astronomical theories and discovered that they
were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, he
deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could
claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories. In every
scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice is called fraud, and it
is a crime against science and scholarship. " -- Sir Isaac Newton.
"This is the story of a scientific crime. I mean a crime committed by a
scientist against fellow scientists and scholars, a betrayal of the ethics
and integrity of his profession that has forever deprived mankind of
fundamental information about an important area of astronomy and history.
Einstein developed certain astronomical theories and discovered that they
were not consistent with observation. Instead of abandoning the theories, he
deliberately fabricated observations from the theories so that he could
claim that the observations prove the validity of his theories. In every
scientific or scholarly setting known, this practice is called fraud, and it
is a crime against science and scholarship. " -- Androcles. ( I refer to the
advance of perihelion of Mercury in particular)
Valev, you continue to slag off Einstein almost daily and are becoming
stuck in a rut, spinning your wheels and going nowhere, contributing
nothing further to the benefit of physics.
Move ON, man. There is more to life than griping. If you are not going
to produce a web page of your own, you could at least refer to some
pages with a positive point of view such as
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm
or even my own:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Smart/Smart.htm
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/RR_C7/RelativityRevealed.htm
Criticise ME. I could use some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism to IMPROVE
what I've produced. Make some positive suggestions instead of always
being so negative. Einstein's crap isn't going to go away overnight, and
you'll get no kudos from being a one man army. I give credit where it is
due:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Wilson/Wilson.htm
I've seen nothing so far to give you credit for.
(No need for comment on the remainder, which I've read and adds nothing new)
Androcles
| 1. As far as the speed of light is concerned, Newton's particle model
| of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c is
| the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the relative
| speed of the light source and the observer. This interpretation is
| simple, even trivial: no miracles (time dilation, length contraction
| etc.) can be introduced.
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| 2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative
| speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time
| dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
| falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
| obvious.
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| The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second
| was adopted. That was the beginning of a wrong science of course but by
| no means a sin. The sin started when Einstein implicitly introduced the
| true c'=c+v interpretation, thereby obtaining correct results (e.g. the
| frequency shift factor), and conserved the false principle of constancy
| of the speed of light plus appended miracles, thereby destroying the
| rationality of generations of scientists.
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| In 1911 Einstein showed that in a gravitational field the speed of
| light is variable and advanced the formula
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| c' = c(1 + V/c^2)
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| where V is the gravitational potential. One can apply the equivalence
| principle as shown in
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| http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4
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| Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's formula and you obtain
| c'=c+v.
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| Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Peter Christensen" |
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| Title: Re: EINSTEIN'S SIN |
13 Jul 2006 05:44:15 PM |
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2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative
speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time
dilation, length contraction etc.) are obligatory - without them the
falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light would be
obvious.
You are right, the speed of light is always measured to be c.
PC
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