Science > Physics > 'electron -electron repulsion' is questionable : New findings:
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17 Nov 2004 04:42:37 PM |
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'electron -electron repulsion' is questionable : New findings: |
The new findings question the traditional belief on 'electron-electron
repulsion'.
For the first time, it has been possible to study the performance of
three types of ionizing radiations (beta, gamma and X-ray) in a common
interaction / atomic phenomenon( Refer fig.2 in the website).
http://www.geocities.com/raomap/discovery6.html
For the first time core-electron Coulomb interaction was shown (with
beta, gamma or X-ray).
Figs 1 and 2 of the website suggests that these radiations seem to lose
their distinction between matter (particle) or photon in nature and
both behave the same way in eventually causing the UV dominant
spectrum, while passing through the core - electron Coulomb field.
While they lose their distinction, between matter( particle) and photon
in the core - electron Coulomb field, their only means of common
identification is energy.
In this interaction, beta particle did not show any deviation in its
behaviour from gamma or X-ray. If repulsion would have been true as has
been believed between beta particle and electron, then the results
would have been different from that of gamma or X-ray.
The new experimental findings and explanation offered by me by a new
atomic phenomenon suggest review of traditional belief on
'electron-electron repulsion'that help scientists explain the spread
out the electrons within atom.
Even otherwise, if electron -electron repulsion is really true, it does
not fully satisfy the traditional concepts (1) chemical bonding
between two electrons, and (2)passage of elctrons as stream in an
electrical wire.
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
raomap@yahoo.com
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: 'electron -electron repulsion' is questionable : New findings: |
17 Nov 2004 06:44:21 PM |
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Anantham wrote:
The new findings question the traditional belief on 'electron-electron
repulsion'.
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Former Professor
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| User: "Agustín Sánchez" |
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29 Dec 2004 05:17:22 AM |
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On 17 Nov 2004 14:42:37 -0800, "Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote:
The new findings question the traditional belief on 'electron-electron
repulsion'.
I am not very surprised because of magnetic interactions between
electrons.
Furthermore, in the URL cited one can read: "The three important
findings include that electron is not a particle." Of course,
electrons have also wave properties, that may be relevant in your
experiment.
(...)
In this interaction, beta particle did not show any deviation in its
behaviour from gamma or X-ray. If repulsion would have been true as has
been believed between beta particle and electron, then the results
would have been different from that of gamma or X-ray.
The new experimental findings and explanation offered by me by a new
atomic phenomenon suggest review of traditional belief on
'electron-electron repulsion'that help scientists explain the spread
out the electrons within atom.
Even otherwise, if electron -electron repulsion is really true, it does
not fully satisfy the traditional concepts (1) chemical bonding
between two electrons, and (2)passage of elctrons as stream in an
electrical wire.
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
raomap@yahoo.com
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| User: "Anantham" |
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| Title: Re: 'electron -electron repulsion' is questionable : New findings: |
29 Dec 2004 09:08:24 AM |
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True. My research strongly suggests that electron is not particle but a
wave. Because of wave nature, the traditional belief on repulsion
between two elctrons needs review.
Very soon I would explain the wave nature of proton, electron, and
photon and their role in atom, and various phenomena.
M.A.Padmanabaha Rao
Former Professor
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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29 Dec 2004 03:12:06 PM |
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"Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104332904.052575.316950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
True. My research strongly suggests that electron is not particle
but a
wave. Because of wave nature, the traditional belief on repulsion
between two elctrons needs review.
You need to look up the experimental work done at LEP on the form
factor of the electron. Bourlikov has performed a combined analysis
of all the Bhabha scattering experiments performed at LEP by the OPAL,
ALEPH and L3 groups, in order to extract a "world average" result for
the electron form factor. The answer is that the electron appears to
be a point particle with an upper limit to its radius of 2.8 * 10^-19
metres (to the usual 95% confidence level).
This is probably the smallest length ever measured. The result is in
no way contradictory to notions like particle-wave duality, as long as
one remembers that the electron is a point particle whose dynamics are
governed not by Newton's clasical laws of motion, but by a wave
equation.
Very soon I would explain the wave nature of proton, electron, and
photon and their role in atom, and various phenomena.
Franz
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| User: "Anantham" |
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29 Dec 2004 04:13:36 PM |
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Thanks for response. I respect the valuable experimental findings cited
by you.
Wave nature of electron is entirely a different perception from the
view as 'point particle' and I am not sure whether possible to define
exact size of a group of waves.
So far, electron was viewed as a particle from various considerations.
My research findings evidently show that excited atom recognizes only
the energy of beta particle, gamma or X-ray and does not distinguish
beta from gamma or X-ray. And for the first time ever, relative
performance of three types of ionizing radiations was possible to
study.
Outside an atom, the electron gives an impression of a particle because
its nature of wave differs from that of electromagnetic radiation. This
is my clear impression based on which I would soon provide a detailed
explanation.
Understanding of electron as particle remained incomplete. Many aspects
like Synchrotron radiation can be explained well as waves.
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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30 Dec 2004 05:12:06 AM |
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"Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104358416.675841.46010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for response. I respect the valuable experimental findings
cited
by you.
Wave nature of electron is entirely a different perception from the
view as 'point particle' and I am not sure whether possible to
define
exact size of a group of waves.
From the nature of your reply so far, it would appear that the
contents of my previous note did not sink in. Perhaps you might
consider rereading it before making any further evasive replies. Are
you familiar with what Bhabha scattering is?
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Franz
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| User: "Creighton Hogg" |
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29 Dec 2004 12:19:20 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2004, Anantham wrote:
True. My research strongly suggests that electron is not particle but a
wave. Because of wave nature, the traditional belief on repulsion
between two elctrons needs review.
Very soon I would explain the wave nature of proton, electron, and
photon and their role in atom, and various phenomena.
Huh? A wave mechanics for protons, electrons, etc. was done years ago:
quantum mechanics.
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| User: "Anantham" |
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29 Dec 2004 03:25:10 PM |
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Already worked out the Bohr's atomic model in wave form, Pauli's
exclusion principle, many phenomena like Pair production, photoelectric
effect, Compton effect etc. I need a month or so to understand fully
and to be able to answer curious questions from readers before
illustrating them. Our venerable previous scientists have shown a path.
It is long due for us to lead further.
New concepts are not easily acceptable to colleagues. Some scientists
never compromise with new findings. I am already facing these problems
with my six fundamental physics discoveries.
http://www.geocities.com/raomap
Anyhow my experimental findings do not subscribe to the view that
'electron as particle' strongly suggesting wave nature.
http://www.geocities.com/raomap/discovery6.html
When electron is wave, proton and neutron cannot remain as particle,
but I would explain next month or in February.
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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29 Dec 2004 04:42:25 PM |
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"Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Already worked out the Bohr's atomic model in wave form, Pauli's
exclusion principle, many phenomena like Pair production,
photoelectric
effect, Compton effect etc.
All those were done in the early 1930's. The predictions have been
verified thoroughly.
Were you born yet at that time?
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Franz
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| User: "Anantham" |
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29 Dec 2004 09:07:36 PM |
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Although many advancements took place in 1930's, there is always a
scope for further development in science with fresh ideas and
sophisticated equipment. I appreciate receiving your comments, if any,
on my original letter of November 17
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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30 Dec 2004 05:12:01 AM |
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"Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104376056.012762.232880@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Although many advancements took place in 1930's, there is always a
scope for further development in science with fresh ideas and
sophisticated equipment.
Yes. And indeed, those further developments occurred from the 1950's
onwards, when it was discovered how to do higher order perturbation
calculations. These processes which you mention, and many of which
you have probably not heard, are now quantitatively predictable to any
accuracy that you wish for, limited only by your bokkkeeping abilities
and your patience.
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Franz
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| User: "Anantham" |
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30 Dec 2004 08:19:16 AM |
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Those studies shall always be valued.
The present situation is how to interpret the fresh experimental data.
I have already provided some explanation. From the view point of
waves, I would provide some more clarification.
However, with the advancements cited I wish to know whether it is
really possible for you to offer any plausible explanation on my
experimental observation 'beta, gamma or X-ray of same energy are
effectively the same'.
http://www.geocities.com/raomap/discovery6.html
If possible, please let me know how much time you require.
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
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| User: "Franz Heymann" |
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30 Dec 2004 03:05:38 PM |
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"Anantham" <raomap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Those studies shall always be valued.
If you had not snipped all the headers and the context, I would have
known what studies you are refering to.
The present situation is how to interpret the fresh experimental
data.
I have already provided some explanation.
I am not aware of any experimental data in the quantum physics field
for which it is not known how to interpret it.
As a matter of fact, there is practically no data which has not
already been interpreted completely.
From the view point of
waves, I would provide some more clarification.
I would assure you that, judging by the level of your contributions so
far, your clarifications would be totally superfluous, if not indeed
downright wrong.
However, with the advancements cited I wish to know whether it is
really possible for you to offer any plausible explanation on my
experimental observation 'beta, gamma or X-ray of same energy are
effectively the same'.
Indeed, it is quite within my power to report that you are talking
nonsense..
Did you not notice that the beta particle is charged and is capable of
leaving an ionised track in a photographic emulsion, a cloud chamber
or a bubble chamber, whilst gamma rays and X rays are incapable of
doing so, since they are not charged particles?
Did you not know that beta particles may be subjected to a momentum
measurement by noting the bending of the track in a magnetic field,
whilst there is no analogue for this in the case of X and gamma rays?
By the way, it has been known for around eighty years or more that X
Rays and gamma rays are identical phenomena, differing only in the
energies of their quanta.
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Franz Heymann
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| User: "Anantham" |
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30 Dec 2004 03:26:09 PM |
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Since our discussion will not serve any useful purpose for me, I hereby
closing further discussion between us. Bye
M.A.Padmanabha Rao
Former Professor
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