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11 Sep 2006 01:51:18 AM |
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electron teleportation |
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
So, do people believe there is a delay or electron teleportation?
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| User: "srp" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 11:28:56 AM |
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a écrit :
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
In quantum mechanics, the orbitals are statistical spreads, each of
which theoretically reaches to infinity and the center of the atom as
limits, so they all overlap.
So, do people believe there is a delay or electron teleportation?
The current view of "people", if you mean physicists, is generally
quite fuzzy due to the almost universal belief that the Heisenberg
uncertainty principle is more than a mathematical concept, meaning
that they believe that it represents physical reality.
Causalists, among physicists, do not believe that the electron
teleports, and do not believe that it can change location at a
velocity exceeding the speed of light.
André Michaud
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| User: "hep" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 05:20:12 PM |
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srp wrote:
bob@coolgroups.com a =E9crit :
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
In quantum mechanics, the orbitals are statistical spreads, each of
which theoretically reaches to infinity and the center of the atom as
limits, so they all overlap.
So, do people believe there is a delay or electron teleportation?
The current view of "people", if you mean physicists, is generally
quite fuzzy due to the almost universal belief that the Heisenberg
uncertainty principle is more than a mathematical concept, meaning
that they believe that it represents physical reality.
Given enough mathematics. Physicists can be made to
believe in anything no matter how bizarre. This HUP is
the origin why the mass and the charge of the electron
is infinite because of superposition of all the energy states
in the virtual photon and virtual electron-positron entourage.
If mathematics override reality then we can for all intent
and purposes state that we are truly and really living in
some kind of cosmic computer where everything is only
limited by the imagination of the programmer. This seems
to be the scenerio that can make sense everything. And
the same programmer may put in the constants of nature
enough to make living things possible. This means the
constants are not derived from calculations and may
be put arbitrarily. Bizarre this may sound but physics is
even stranger than anything you have encountered. The
reason physicists don't find it strange is because the
mathematics have de-sensitized them to the reality. But
if you will sit down and look at everything clearly. Then
you will just be awe by it all. Sometimes I begin to believe
there is really a God (I'm an atheist).
H=2E
Causalists, among physicists, do not believe that the electron
teleports, and do not believe that it can change location at a
velocity exceeding the speed of light.
=20
Andr=E9 Michaud
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 08:15:20 AM |
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wrote:
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
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| User: "hep" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 09:09:52 AM |
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wrote:
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
So, do people believe there is a delay or electron teleportation?
In the real world. Everything is in superposition and charges are
infinite and some particles moving back and forth in time (Feynman
positrons). So our seemingly newtonian and mechanical
world is just an approximation of the true reality where decoherence
and renormalization gives us our illusionary macroscopic world and
finite values and mass and forces. Notice all crackpots are those
who are stuck in the newtonian-like mindset where they
want to make the world mechanical when they are in fact
inside some kind of Matrix reality light years stranger than
anything you have encountered in your life.
And oh, it's kind of the latter answer in your inquiry although you
can only describe them in the form of wave function of the
electron because of the algorithm used in the Matrix software
of reality.
h.
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 10:08:17 AM |
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wrote:
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
So, do people believe there is a delay or electron teleportation?
No, what they believe is something even more exotic.
They believe that, unlike what we are used to in the macroscopic world,
it is not possible to say that the electron has a definite position at
any given instant in time. If it were possible to say that, then
transitions would definitely imply either a "travel delay" or an
instantaneous jump. But once you give up the idea that such a thing
must be true, then the forced choice between delay and instantaneous
jump disappears.
The world is much stranger than what we think.
PD
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: electron teleportation |
11 Sep 2006 01:53:26 AM |
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In article <1157957478.668611.214890@q16g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>, writes:
If all electron orbitals are in the same plane and an electron moves to
a more excited state, then the electron essentially teleports from one
orbital to another.
To explain things without teleportation, we can think of it
3-dimensionally with intersecting orbitals. However, there must be a
delay in order for an electron to reach the point of intersection for
it to move into a different orbital.
An orbital is not an orbit. That's the source of your confusion.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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