Science > Physics > Elemental question about time periods related to nature
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"Xan" |
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18 Dec 2003 12:05:35 PM |
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Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
Thanks,
Xan.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 12:20:49 PM |
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Astronomical Coordinate Systems and Time Systems
http://www.physics.gmu.edu/classinfo/astr103/CourseNotes/ECText/ch01_ap2.htm#1B.4.
Hour
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hourarlier definitions of the hour:
One twelfth of the time from sunrise to sunset. As a consequence,
hours on summer days are longer than on winter days. Romans and
Greeks used this definition and divided the night into three or
four night watches. Later, the night (i. e., the time between
sunset and sunrise) was also divided into twelve hours. When a
clock showed these hours, its speed had to be changed every morning
and evening, for example by changing the length of its pendulum.
One twenty-fourth of the apparent solar day (between one noon and
the next, or between one sunset and the next). As a consequence,
hours vary a little, as the length of an apparent solar day varies
throughout the year. When a clock showed these hours, it had to be
adjusted a few times in a month.
One twenty-fourth of the mean solar day. See mean sun for more
information on the difference to the apparent solar day. When an
exact clock showed these hours, it had te be adjusted virtually
never. However, as earth rotation slows down, this definition has
been abandoned. See UTC.
-Sam Wormley
http://edu-observatory.org/eo/calendars.html
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/time.html
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 02:42:25 PM |
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Astronomical Coordinate Systems and Time Systems
http://www.physics.gmu.edu/classinfo/astr103/CourseNotes/ECText/ch01_ap2.
htm#1B.4.
I am sick of you. All you can do is show links to someones elses work. YOU
HAVE NO WORKS PERIOD.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 02:55:03 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Astronomical Coordinate Systems and Time Systems
http://www.physics.gmu.edu/classinfo/astr103/CourseNotes/ECText/ch01_ap2.
htm#1B.4.
I am sick of you. All you can do is show links to someones elses work. YOU
HAVE NO WORKS PERIOD.
I've gotten patents, papers, funded proposals.... blah blah blah, but
what does any that have to do with "time periods related to nature"?
There are many excellent resources on line, but reproducing them here
is just a waste of bandwidth. For those really interested in some physics,
links offer a very convenient way to access the information.
Smart, you are just a dip ***** bluffer with little or no understanding
of physics. I'm no expert, but at least I can read with a skeptic's eye
and ferret out that which has the "ring of truth".
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| User: "Llanzlan Klazmon The 15th" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 05:01:52 PM |
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(S. Enterprize Company) wrote in
news:20031218154225.29591.00000541@mb-m02.aol.com:
Astronomical Coordinate Systems and Time Systems
http://www.physics.gmu.edu/classinfo/astr103/CourseNotes/ECText/ch01_ap
2.
htm#1B.4.
I am sick of you. All you can do is show links to someones elses
work. YOU
HAVE NO WORKS PERIOD.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
Wrong. Sam posts links to very useful resources. I for one appreciate his
efforts.
L.
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| User: "Ian Stirling" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 12:25:57 PM |
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Xan <xan2@ono.com> wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
No.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
Invention, you can tie it in to various things astronomically if you try
hard enough, but it's fundamentally just a number picked at random.
There is no reason why you couldn't have 10 or 30 hours.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 02:25:01 PM |
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Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 02:44:13 PM |
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Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
Thank you.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
Thank you.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
Thank you.
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
Thank you.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
Thank you.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www
Ok Swromly now show I am a stupid asss kook on crank.net.
Smart's Alt. Physics News Group
http://pub39.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=3320272813&cpv=1
S. Enterprize (Science Journal)
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 06:19:13 PM |
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"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
Thank you.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
Thank you.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
Thank you.
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
Thank you.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
Thank you.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www
Ok Swromly now show I am a stupid asss kook on crank.net.
Fucking imbecile and unmannered dolt. Why did you delete my thread
heading?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "hanson" |
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| Title: Re: Elemental question about time periods related to nature |
18 Dec 2003 07:51:26 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:3FE24401.99F2471D@hate.spam.net...
"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
Thank you.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
Thank you.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
Thank you.
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
Thank you.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
Thank you.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www
Ok Swromly now show I am a stupid asss kook on crank.net.
Fucking imbecile and unmannered dolt. Why did you delete my thread
heading?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
AHahhahahah.......ahahahahaha.....this is too much!
ahahahahha.....ahahahahaha......ahahahaha...
The clash of the Titans........ahahahahaha......
But Al, do you know that smFart1234 happens to be
a halleluiah gangster of the first kind?. He gets orders
from high places............ahahahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys,
ahahahaha......ahahahahnson
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| User: "S. Enterprize Company" |
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20 Dec 2003 12:14:43 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:3FE24401.99F2471D@hate.spam.net...
"S. Enterprize Company" wrote:
Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
Thank you.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
Thank you.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
Thank you.
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
Thank you.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
Thank you.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www
Ok Swromly now show I am a stupid asss kook on crank.net.
Fucking imbecile and unmannered dolt. Why did you delete my thread
heading?
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
AHahhahahah.......ahahahahaha.....this is too much!
ahahahahha.....ahahahahaha......ahahahaha...
The clash of the Titans........ahahahahaha......
But Al, do you know that smFart1234 happens to be
a halleluiah gangster of the first kind?. He gets orders
from high places............ahahahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, guys,
ahahahaha......ahahahahnson
I believe in God. What do you believe in non-existence, Quantum Vacuum?
And just because I believe in God doesn't mean I know nothing about physics.
The Smart Model has been around for about 10 years and has neven been proven to
be wrong yet by anyone even at PhD levels. And The Smart Model isn't even
religious but religion can be applied to it.
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| User: "Jim" |
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18 Dec 2003 08:09:40 PM |
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On 18 Dec 2003 20:44:13 GMT, (S. Enterprize Company)
wrote:
Xan wrote:
Hi,
This is just a curiosity. I want to know if the hour is related to any
physical phenomena. We know that:
- a year is the time of the Earth rounds one time around Sun.
Nope. The Earth orbits the sun in approximately one year plus a
quarter day. 365.2421897 days/year (365 days, 5 hours, 48 mins, 45.51
seconds).
Thank you.
- a season is the four part of the year, and begins and ends in
concrete times (for example, the time that the Earth is more far than
another time..)
Nope. The Earth's orbit is an ellipse not a circle. It does not
travel equal fractions of a circumference in equal times. It sweeps
out equal areas/time.
Thank you.
- a month is aproximately the time as the Moon rounds one time around
Earth
Nope. A lunar month is the time between two successive similar
syzygys, which can be interpreted in various ways. Lunar calendars
are cesspits of incredible confusion (entire leap months). A synodic
month is about 29.53059 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 3
seconds).
Thank you.
- a day is the time that the Earth rounds around itself
Nope. You are confusing a solar day (sun in the same position in the
sky) with a sidereal day (one rotation vs. the fixed stars)
Thank you.
But hour?. Is an artificial invention or has some astronimical
explanation?
It is a sexigesimal division of a day. A 25-hour decimal day would
have been nicer, but clockmakers would not have been able to divide
the clockface with a trivial geometric construction. Inscribing a
pentagon in a circle using only straightedge and compass takes some
doing. Sixths (need only a compass) and halves therefrom (use your
imagination with sixths and one constructed half) are trivial.
Thank you.
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/zefdamen/Constructions/pentagon/pentagon_en.htm>
http://www.sover.net/~rc/deep_secrets/pentagon/
http://www.cut-the-knot.org/pythagoras/pentagon.shtml
Euclid could do it either way,
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV11.html>
<http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookIV/propIV12.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www
Ok Swromly now show I am a stupid asss kook on crank.net.
But you've already shown it above.
Thank you.
Jim
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