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12 Jul 2004 01:30:43 PM |
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EM and Gravity |
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
12 Jul 2004 01:59:29 PM |
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olhall wrote:
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
Very Simple--Gravity is curvature of spacetime and effects
everything including photons.
^^^^^^^^^^
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| User: "Ole D. Rughede" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
13 Jul 2004 01:57:31 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:40F2DF89.52F318A3@mchsi.com...
olhall wrote:
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
Very Simple--Gravity is curvature of spacetime and effects
everything including photons.
^^^^^^^^^^
From Sam's answer you might infer, that since gravity effects
photons and everything, then photons may also effect gravity
and everything?
In the real world YES, because gravity is the curvature of
the space-time-energy continuum called Aether, which is
the electromagnetic energy irradiated from all astrophysical
objects to fill all of space and time - as the medium of all
physical fields and forces acting on ponderable masses.
But gravity is more than field curvations og space and time,
since gravity effects "everything".
Curvature of field results from the energetic interaction between
mass and aether we call gravity, which is an enduring exchange
of electromagnetic radiant energy between mass and aether.
The exchange is performed in "particular quanta of EM-energy"
called photons, acting with impulse-moments at "the surface" of
the elementary particles constituting massive gravitating bodies.
So photons are "carriers of electromagnetic energy", and energy
has the ability to perform work of some effect, while force is the
effect of an exchange of energy.
When talking about the probability of a photon to act at some
body, or to act with some probabilty in one way or another,
we simply mean the probabilities of some massive particle to
interact with the aether, for instance with radiation of some sort
we may generate purposely to the experiments. But theoretically
it was found more convenient to talk about photons as if they
represented specific probabilities and superpositions of them.
In that way especially Dirac succeded in establishing the splendid
formal theoretical tool called Quantum Mechanics.
In the aether no photons are found, since it is an energetic
continuum of superpositioned wave-formy energy at the velocity
of light, why the frequency of a photon "ny" relates to a wavelength
"lambda", such that ny*lambda = c = 2.99792458E10 cm/sec.
Waves, not photons, are the carriers of energy in the aether.
The aether has an infinity of energy, as it is found everywhere
in space of infinite extension. And since the elementary particles
are "small packages" of a finite amount of EM-energy formed
as self-oscillating entities, able to remain stable in space, they
emit photons to the aether, and absorb photons from the aether,
while constantly rejecting to have more energy than their mean
measure of mass. Thus they also reflect energy - and recieve in
all of these cases mechanical impulse-moments by work done
by the aether. Was it not so, particles would either lose their
self-energy to the aether, or gain more energy, which is not
the case. They remain stable at some mean quantity of mass
plus/minus temporary "photonic quanta of radiant energy".
So the aether comes from radiation emitted from particles,
bodies, planets, stars, galaxies, galaxy clusters and so on, all
some massive "astrophysical bodies". And the same bodies
consume energy from the aether in order to remain stable
masses. Thus the aether exists permanently, but is constantly
renewed by the radiating bodies. The rate of renewal is seen
in Einstein's famous gravitational redshift, which is an effect
also of the gravitational bending of light indicating the curvature
of the metric aether field. But since the renewal of the aether is
accomplished at the cost of gravitational work done, the rate
of universal red-shift of light indicates the rate of gravitational
work, and indirectly the existense of mass and the distribution
of masses in space.
Due to the reddening and blackning of light from most distant
sources, we cannot observe discrete radiating sources beyond
some distant limit of observation, which we cannot call neither
the end, nor the beginning of the world. Therefore speculations
about the creation, extension or mightiness of the universe has
no meaning. It is simply our uniqe one and only Universe of
mighty extension, existing according to universal physical laws,
which were not given by man and are but scarcely understood.
The gravitational constant, Newton's G is a proportionality
between electric charge and mass.
Magnetism, as you know, is the effect of moving charge,
therefore active in the oscillating energy of particles, acting
to the their special permanent formation as "massive bodies".
rho*G = (e^2/m^2). rho = 4.166705E42 dimensionless,
e = 4.803242E-10 esu, m = 9.109535E-28 g
(which is charge e and mass m of the electron),
G = 6.672426E-8 cm^3/(g*sec^2) (CGS).
Ole D. Rughede
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
15 Jul 2004 07:16:49 AM |
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olhal Quantum gravity with its messenger particle the graviton creating
attraction between particles is a much better theory than curving of
space. It can show gravity in the micro realm,and that is where GR does
not fit. The EM messenger for attraction is the virtual photon. It has
lots of sameness as a graviton. Both only attract. Both go at "c',and
that means they have no mass. Both can't be detected,but their affects
are felt and measurable. Bert
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
12 Jul 2004 02:46:18 PM |
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olhall wrote:
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
No, not even if you are wearing Kauza-Klein jeans.
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 (2004) 121101
falling light
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Ole D. Rughede" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
09 Aug 2004 03:04:31 PM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:40F2EA8A.629D2484@hate.spam.net...
olhall wrote:
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
No, not even if you are wearing Kauza-Klein jeans.
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9909014
Phys. Rev. Lett. 92 (2004) 121101
falling light
Nah, baa..d Uncle, you just hitch your five-legged Klein's
up under your armpits, and stop your celerity under one
of the Llegs for some time, that you shouldn't be falling
light or heavy in your stitch-stung-mended underwear.
Carlip would scarcely appreciate your heavy lights. And
remember - be nice to the kids!
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| User: "Andr? Michaud" |
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| Title: Re: EM and Gravity |
13 Jul 2004 11:32:36 AM |
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olhall@yahoo.co-dot-uk.no-spam.invalid (olhall) wrote in message news:<40f2d8d3$1_2@127.0.0.1>...
I have question- if in standard model of physcis photon is carrier
particle of electromagnetic force, more familair as particel fo
light, but strong gravity will bend light, so does this mena some
sort of fundamatal link between electromagnitism and Gravity?
Presently, it is the "trajectory" of light (photons) that is bent
and what link the bending can have with gravity depends on what
theory you are considering.
In General Relativity, the link in only geometric, so to speak,
each photon moving inertialy without any force acting and simply
obeying the spacetime curvature imposed locally by nearby masses.
In Newtonian gravitation, where force applies, there obviously
must exist a link between electromagnetism and gravitation. In
this setup however, only half the energy of each photon must
be considered to calculate the proper deflection angles.
André Michaud
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