Science > Physics > ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS
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"Pentcho Valev" |
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02 Dec 2006 08:30:11 AM |
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ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
"If the second law of thermodynamics were false, a ship would be able
to travel at the expense of the heat of the ocean." This argument is
typical of the era of Postscientism in which science is just money. The
argument is invalid: if the second law is false travelling would still
be impossible since the ocean and the ship would be at almost the same
temperature and in such almost isothermal conditions the heat exchange
would be extremely slow.
In another era (or in a different world) the question would be: Are
isothermal heat engines possible, although no money can be extracted
from them? In our world the silent but unanimous answer is: Who cares.
In the other world aliens would study isothermal heat engines
diligently and may even find a way to resolve the slow-heat-exchange
problem and ease the energy crisis.
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Phineas T Puddleduck" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
02 Dec 2006 08:32:04 AM |
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In article <1165069811.598917.193720@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
In another era (or in a different world) the question would be: Are
isothermal heat engines possible, although no money can be extracted
from them? In our world the silent but unanimous answer is: Who cares.
In the other world aliens would study isothermal heat engines
diligently and may even find a way to resolve the slow-heat-exchange
problem and ease the energy crisis.
Pentcho Valev
Back to being a thermodynamics nutter, eh Poncho?
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Just \int_0^\infty du it!
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
02 Dec 2006 08:39:56 AM |
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:phineaspuddleduck-5655BF.14320302122006@free.teranews.com...
In article <1165069811.598917.193720@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote:
In another era (or in a different world) the question would be: Are
isothermal heat engines possible, although no money can be extracted
from them? In our world the silent but unanimous answer is: Who cares.
In the other world aliens would study isothermal heat engines
diligently and may even find a way to resolve the slow-heat-exchange
problem and ease the energy crisis.
Pentcho Valev
Back to being a thermodynamics nutter, eh Poncho?
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Just \int_0^\infty du it!
:-) when you do that to Poncho, this is what you get:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_uauthors=pentcho+valev
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
06 Dec 2006 10:51:14 PM |
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I read about the ship powered by a Second Law circumventing device
where ice would be dropped overboard as a book by Issac Asinov
introduced me to this branch of Physics in 1964. The cooling dosen't
have to be this extreme. a larger working volume of water can be cooled
less so it remains a liquid. The energy absorbed to propel the ship
will be returned to the environment as heat is created in hull friction
as the ship moves.
On a nanometer scale, Boltzmann's constant times temperature in Kelvin
times full natural thermal frequency bandwidth of electron motion
fluctuation is significant. Nanometer scale diodes can rectify this
thermal radio frequency noise, passing half and blocking the other half
to a matched electrical load. Expressed mathematically, this is 1 / 2
kTB. The diodes are partially efficient and the net rectified current
of diodes in parallel can be aggregated directly so terms for
efficiency and number of diodes should be added. The efficiency is
unknown , 50% is a strategic guess, 100 billion carbon nanotube or
buckyball anodes per square centimeter can be abutted to an n type InSb
substrate To rectify and aggregate Johnson noise at a power density of
~100 watts per square centimeter. This is such a high power density
that delivering heat to the diodes with little temperature drop is a
design challenge.
I was granted U.S. patent 3890161, DIODE ARRAY, Public property since
1992, because the concept is tangible enough to build. I am looking for
people to cooperate as a group to develop this technology.
Aloha,
Charles M. Brown
I need to update my email address with Google. It is
abundance@logonbasic.com
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
06 Dec 2006 11:26:08 PM |
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"Charlie" <abundance@logonhi.net> wrote in message =
news:1165467074.048419.280940@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
|I read about the ship powered by a Second Law circumventing device
| where ice would be dropped overboard as a book by Issac Asinov
"Isaac Asimov" - sci-fi writer.
| introduced me to this branch of Physics in 1964. The cooling dosen't
| have to be this extreme. a larger working volume of water can be =
cooled
| less so it remains a liquid. The energy absorbed to propel the ship
| will be returned to the environment as heat is created in hull =
friction
| as the ship moves.
I get emails from idiots that can't spell asking me to supply my bank
account details in the interests of "security".
It's a good first indication that the person writing is either a spammer
or a *****. Since you are not asking for money, the indication is
*****.=20
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 01:35:59 AM |
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Sorcerer wrote:
"Charlie" <abundance@logonhi.net> wrote in message news:1165467074.048419.280940@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
|I read about the ship powered by a Second Law circumventing device
| where ice would be dropped overboard as a book by Issac Asinov
"Isaac Asimov" - sci-fi writer.
| introduced me to this branch of Physics in 1964. The cooling dosen't
| have to be this extreme. a larger working volume of water can be cooled
| less so it remains a liquid. The energy absorbed to propel the ship
| will be returned to the environment as heat is created in hull friction
| as the ship moves.
I get emails from idiots that can't spell asking me to supply my bank
account details in the interests of "security".
It's a good first indication that the person writing is either a spammer
or a *****. Since you are not asking for money, the indication is
*****.
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 01:34:21 AM |
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This is the first spelling error of a famous person that I have been
caught at in my Internet posts. I have written tens of posts on he
diode array. I have mentioned Isaac Asimov many times because of the
debt I owe him in the formation of my ideas on thermodynamics. I let
down my spelling guard for an often used word too quickly.
Let's deal with important things first. Writing accuracy is less
important in seeking the workability of a device than technical
validity. I want to know what people think of the diode array as it is
discussed among loosely defined peers on the Internet.
I don't have higher academic credentials. People may be more sensitive
to their academic standing and my lowly standing than the technical
validity of the diode array.
Developing diode array prototypes requires money. Diode array
prototypes should be built and tested with money directed towards this
purpose. I am willing to forgo personal wealth on this project until
the diode array is a widespread success.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 05:25:34 AM |
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"Charlie" <abundance@logonbasic.com> wrote in message =
news:1165476861.354542.221870@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
|=20
| This is the first spelling error of a famous person that I have been
| caught at in my Internet posts. I have written tens of posts on he
| diode array. I have mentioned Isaac Asimov many times because of the
| debt I owe him in the formation of my ideas on thermodynamics. I let
| down my spelling guard for an often used word too quickly.
|=20
| Let's deal with important things first. Writing accuracy is less
| important in seeking the workability of a device than technical
| validity. I want to know what people think of the diode array as it is
| discussed among loosely defined peers on the Internet.
|=20
| I don't have higher academic credentials. People may be more sensitive
| to their academic standing and my lowly standing than the technical
| validity of the diode array.
|=20
| Developing diode array prototypes requires money. Diode array
| prototypes should be built and tested with money directed towards this
| purpose. I am willing to forgo personal wealth on this project until
| the diode array is a widespread success.=20
|=20
| Aloha,
|=20
| Charlie
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I knew a guy that patented a lockable holder for his guitar,=20
and he was serious about it. The world did not beat a path
to his door. What diode array are you on about that hasn't
already been done?
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 02:05:08 AM |
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This is the first spelling error of a famous person that I have been
caught at in my Internet posts. I have written tens of posts on the
diode array. I have mentioned Isaac Asimov many times because of the
debt I owe him in the formation of my ideas on thermodynamics. I let
down my spelling guard for an often used word too quickly.
Let's deal with important things first. Writing accuracy is less
important in seeking the workability of a device than technical
validity. I want to know what people think of the diode array as it is
discussed among loosely defined peers on the Internet.
I don't have higher academic credentials. People may be more sensitive
to their academic standing and my lowly standing than the technical
validity of the diode array.
Developing diode array prototypes requires money. Diode array
prototypes should be built and tested with money directed towards this
purpose. I am willing to forgo personal wealth on this project until
the diode array is a widespread success.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 03:01:01 PM |
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My main interest on this topic is circumventing the second law of
thermodynamics. I believe that there are two approaches using
rectifying junctions that have different design philosophies and
produce opposite polarity D.C. electrical output.
2loT circumventing machines absorb heat as they produce electrical
power in exact equivalence.
In the diode array, each diode rectifies Johnson noise. Each diode
should be as small as possible because the power is proportional to the
number of devices and the junction area should be minimized. The anode
receives internally conveyed electrons so it is externally negative.
Electron hole pairs are counter productive in this device.
The other device is the thermovoltaic stack. An extensive junction
collects many hole electron pairs which are created by thermal infra
red. The disadvantage of a low thermal infra red flux density is
overcome by stacking many thin junctions in series. The electrons are
attracted to the positive embedded dopant ions in N type material and
holes are attracted to the negative embedded dopant ions in P type
material so the anode is positive. Johnson noise power is minimized by
the high junction capacitance and low number of elements. Johnson noise
power is counterproductive in this device.
I believe that the diode array is more practical.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 04:55:54 PM |
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"Charlie" <abundance@logonbasic.com> wrote in message =
news:1165525261.073784.71100@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
| My main interest on this topic is circumventing the second law of
| thermodynamics.
You can't.
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 03:05:42 PM |
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My main interest on this topic is circumventing the second law of
thermodynamics. I believe that there are two approaches using
rectifying junctions that have different design philosophies and
produce opposite polarity D.C. electrical output.
2loT circumventing machines absorb heat as they produce electrical
power in exact equivalence.
In the diode array, each diode rectifies Johnson noise. Each diode
should be as small as possible because the power is proportional to the
number of devices and the junction area should be minimized. The anode
receives internally conveyed electrons so it is externally negative.
Electron hole pairs are counter productive in this device.
The other device is the thermovoltaic stack. An extensive junction
collects many hole electron pairs which are created by thermal infra
red. The disadvantage of a low thermal infra red flux density is
overcome by stacking many thin junctions in series. The electrons are
attracted to the positive embedded dopant ions in N type material and
holes are attracted to the negative embedded dopant ions in P type
material so the anode is positive. Johnson noise power is minimized by
the high junction capacitance and low number of elements. Johnson noise
power is counterproductive in this device.
I believe that the diode array is more practical.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 04:55:54 PM |
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"Charlie" <abundance@logonbasic.com> wrote in message =
news:1165525541.968441.146900@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
| My main interest on this topic is circumventing the second law of
| thermodynamics.=20
You still can't.=20
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
08 Dec 2006 01:35:20 AM |
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My main interest on this topic is circumventing the second law of
thermodynamics. I believe that there are two approaches using
rectifying junctions that have different design philosophies and
produce opposite polarity D.C. electrical output.
In the diode array, each diode rectifies Johnson noise. Each diode
should be as small as possible because the power is proportional to the
number of devices and the junction area should be minimized. The anode
receives internally conveyed electrons so it is externally negative.
Electron hole pairs are counterproductive in this device.
The other device is the thermovoltaic stack. An extensive junction of
low band gap materials collects many hole electron pairs which are
created by thermal infra red. The disadvantage of a low thermal infra
red flux density is overcome by stacking many thin junctions in series
to total a large junction area, build up a high system voltage and
reinforce thin delicate junctions into a strong total. The electrons
are attracted to the positive embedded dopant ions in N type material
and holes are attracted to the negative embedded dopant ions in P type
material so the anode is positive. Johnson noise power is minimized by
the high junction capacitance and low number of elements. Johnson
noisepower is counterproductive in this device.
I believe that the diode array is more practical.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 07:47:43 AM |
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The diode array is a group of nanometer scale diodes in consistent
structural alignment parallel or parallel series. The diodes carry
within themselves random electron movements which are expressed as
radio frequency white noise power. Each diode rectifies the electron
flow within so that most of the power of forward moving electrons is
conducted to the shared load and most of the electron flow in the
reverse direction is blocked. Because the diodes are first in parallel
the diodes have independent acess to the load. For the most D.C.
electrical power, the load is matched to the aggregate net output. The
matching load resistance for many diodes is very small and any current
returned would be divided by the number of diodes so the noise power
from the load to the source diodes is generally insignificant. Primary
groups of diodes with smoothed output can be connected in series to
produce higher system voltage. Each diode contributes efficiency times
1 /2 kTB watts to an absorbing matched load. The efficiency is unknown,
50% is a strategic guess, 1 / 2 accounts for rectification, k =
Boltzmann's constant, 1.38 x 10^-23, T = temperature in kelvins, B =
Bandwidth, At 300 K the thermal noise power declines above ~1 THz. 100
billion carbon nanotube or buckyball anodes per square centimeter can
be abutted on an n type InSb substrate to yield a loosely estimated 100
watts per square centimeter @ 300 K.
In 1993, I commissioned a the final preparation and testing of a
prototype chip consisting of 5,600 Au anodes on a n type GaAs
substrate. It produced ~ 50 millivolts across 50 K ohms, substrate
positive, or ~ 50 nanowatts in stirred inert oil under professional
test conditions. This is somewhat more than 1 /2 kTB, ~2 nanowatts so
The test is worth corroborating. I recommend using a 1T7 from Virginia
Diodes Inc., a newer die, with ~10,000 smaller Au anodes. They will not
mount the die of cover its face with a conductive layer to connect the
glass isolated anodes.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Sorcerer" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 07:56:13 AM |
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"Charlie" <abundance@logonbasic.com> wrote in message =
news:1165499263.334588.42250@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
| The diode array is a group of nanometer scale diodes in consistent
| structural alignment parallel or parallel series. The diodes carry
| within themselves random electron movements which are expressed as
| radio frequency white noise power. Each diode rectifies the electron
| flow within so that most of the power of forward moving electrons is
| conducted to the shared load and most of the electron flow in the
| reverse direction is blocked. Because the diodes are first in parallel
| the diodes have independent acess to the load. For the most D.C.
| electrical power, the load is matched to the aggregate net output. The
| matching load resistance for many diodes is very small and any current
| returned would be divided by the number of diodes so the noise power
| from the load to the source diodes is generally insignificant. Primary
| groups of diodes with smoothed output can be connected in series to
| produce higher system voltage. Each diode contributes efficiency times
| 1 /2 kTB watts to an absorbing matched load. The efficiency is =
unknown,
| 50% is a strategic guess, 1 / 2 accounts for rectification, k =3D
| Boltzmann's constant, 1.38 x 10^-23, T =3D temperature in kelvins, B =
=3D
| Bandwidth, At 300 K the thermal noise power declines above ~1 THz. 100
| billion carbon nanotube or buckyball anodes per square centimeter can
| be abutted on an n type InSb substrate to yield a loosely estimated =
100
| watts per square centimeter @ 300 K.
|=20
| In 1993, I commissioned a the final preparation and testing of a
| prototype chip consisting of 5,600 Au anodes on a n type GaAs
| substrate. It produced ~ 50 millivolts across 50 K ohms, substrate
| positive, or ~ 50 nanowatts in stirred inert oil under professional
| test conditions. This is somewhat more than 1 /2 kTB, ~2 nanowatts so
| The test is worth corroborating. I recommend using a 1T7 from Virginia
| Diodes Inc., a newer die, with ~10,000 smaller Au anodes. They will =
not
| mount the die of cover its face with a conductive layer to connect the
| glass isolated anodes.
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| Aloha,
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| Charlie
http://www.rp-photonics.com/photodiodes.html
http://ams.pg.infn.it/whatis/photos/iss/iss.jpg
<yawn>
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| User: "Charlie" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
07 Dec 2006 07:52:51 AM |
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The diode array is a group of nanometer scale diodes in consistent
structural alignment parallel or parallel series. The diodes carry
within themselves random electron movements which are expressed as
radio frequency white noise power. Each diode rectifies the electron
flow within so that most of the power of forward moving electrons is
conducted to the shared load and most of the electron flow in the
reverse direction is blocked. Because the diodes are first in parallel
the diodes have independent acess to the load. For the most D.C.
electrical power, the load is matched to the aggregate net output. The
matching load resistance for many diodes is very small and any current
returned would be divided by the number of diodes so the noise power
from the load to the source diodes is generally insignificant. Primary
groups of diodes with smoothed output can be connected in series to
produce higher system voltage. Each diode contributes efficiency times
1 /2 kTB watts to an absorbing matched load. The efficiency is unknown,
50% is a strategic guess, 1 / 2 accounts for rectification, k =
Boltzmann's constant, 1.38 x 10^-23, T = temperature in kelvins, B =
Bandwidth, At 300 K the thermal noise power declines above ~1 THz. 100
billion carbon nanotube or buckyball anodes per square centimeter can
be abutted on an n type InSb substrate to yield a loosely estimated 100
watts per square centimeter @ 300 K.
In 1993, I commissioned a the final preparation and testing of a
prototype chip consisting of 5,600 Au anodes on a n type GaAs
substrate. It produced ~ 50 millivolts across 50 K ohms, substrate
positive, or ~ 50 nanowatts in stirred inert oil under professional
test conditions. This is somewhat more than 1 /2 kTB, ~2 nanowatts so
The test is worth corroborating. I recommend using a 1T7 from Virginia
Diodes Inc., a newer die, with ~10,000 smaller Au anodes. They will not
mount the die or cover its face with a conductive layer to connect the
glass isolated anodes.
Aloha,
Charlie
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: ENERGY CRISIS AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS |
06 Dec 2006 11:02:46 PM |
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Charlie wrote:
I read about the ship powered by a Second Law circumventing device
where ice would be dropped overboard as a book by Issac Asinov
introduced me to this branch of Physics in 1964. The cooling dosen't
have to be this extreme. a larger working volume of water can be cooled
less so it remains a liquid. The energy absorbed to propel the ship
will be returned to the environment as heat is created in hull friction
as the ship moves.
On a nanometer scale, Boltzmann's constant times temperature in Kelvin
times full natural thermal frequency bandwidth of electron motion
fluctuation is significant. Nanometer scale diodes can rectify this
thermal radio frequency noise, passing half and blocking the other half
to a matched electrical load. Expressed mathematically, this is 1 / 2
kTB. The diodes are partially efficient and the net rectified current
of diodes in parallel can be aggregated directly so terms for
efficiency and number of diodes should be added. The efficiency is
unknown , 50% is a strategic guess, 100 billion carbon nanotube or
buckyball anodes per square centimeter can be abutted to an n type InSb
substrate To rectify and aggregate Johnson noise at a power density of
~100 watts per square centimeter. This is such a high power density
that delivering heat to the diodes with little temperature drop is a
design challenge.
I was granted U.S. patent 3890161, DIODE ARRAY, Public property since
1992, because the concept is tangible enough to build. I am looking for
people to cooperate as a group to develop this technology.
Aloha,
Charles M. Brown
I need to update my email address with Google. It is
abundance@logonbasic.com
Tilt meter is really quivering
http://www.google.com/search?q=3890161+patent
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