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06 Sep 2005 06:20:36 AM |
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Energy substitution |
The small people of Scotland pop 5m are building underwater tunnels to link their far flung
islands at a cost of $10m a mile -about twenty miles or so of dual roads . The mighty USA can easily
afford to do the same . If there 5-10,000 miles of six lane underground rail lines linking all
cities and ports , cargo and then humans could ride on to flat rail cars and then and drive off at
the nearest exit. Just imagine the amount of fuel saved in no more stop and go driving !! Oil
imports could be cut by 3m barrels a day saving $210m a day !! or $60b a year .
So by spending say $10b a year to build say 500 miles a year of this six lane underground
rail network we would be saving $50b a year for ever and ever!!
It might make sense to substitue even when the energy payback is negative eg solar roof
panels or solar water heating . The reason is that if workers have to travel every year to bring the
oil to the doorstop , then you have to count the energy needed to feed that worker etc. and that can
be horrendous.
Why not have flat roofs ? There is hardly any snow nowadays and even heavy monsoons dont
harm flat roofs never mind the British drizzle . Flat roofs will also give a lot of extra living
space.
What about led lights replacing street lamps ? now that we have the blue led to give natural
light ?
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06 Sep 2005 09:41:53 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
The small people of Scotland pop 5m are building underwater tunnels to link their far flung
islands at a cost of $10m a mile -about twenty miles or so of dual roads . The mighty USA can easily
afford to do the same .
The "mighty USA" doesn't have any "far flung islands" it needs to link to.
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| User: "Into the living sea of waking dreams" |
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06 Sep 2005 10:15:30 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
The small people of Scotland pop 5m are building underwater tunnels to link their far flung
islands at a cost of $10m a mile -about twenty miles or so of dual roads . The mighty USA can easily
afford to do the same .
The "mighty USA" doesn't have any "far flung islands" it needs to link to.
<snip babble>
Your are still an imbecile.
Hawaii?
Guam?
American Samoa?
Puerto Rico?
quite the engineering achievement!
j.
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20 Sep 2005 09:40:19 AM |
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If one family collects firewood the forest can cope but if hundreds of millions do
then the forests are wiped out and everything turns into desert. So if we can all use electric
kettles to heat water it could literally save millions of barrels of oil each year and give
ourselves a few more years to bring in nuclear fusion etc
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20 Sep 2005 10:35:14 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
If one family collects firewood the forest can cope but if hundreds of millions do
then the forests are wiped out and everything turns into desert. So if we can all use electric
kettles to heat water it could literally save millions of barrels of oil each year and give
ourselves a few more years to bring in nuclear fusion etc
habshi logic: firewood destroys forests so electric kettles save oil.
Most water heaters are gas, not oil idiot.
The ones that aren't gas are electric.
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20 Sep 2005 12:20:21 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
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habshi logic: firewood destroys forests so electric kettles save oil.
Most water heaters are gas, not oil idiot.<
Gas and oil are both fossil fuels so we should eke out both . The point is that if you leave
the heater on all day , you might use up 50cc of oil , but if you use the electric kettle only 4
times , you might use only 10cc , so the latter would be better .
The American govt must up gas prices to the same level as the europeans to encourage
efficiency and use the money for alternate energy sources.
What about sheets on the roof which collect light and pipe it via fiber optics to rooms
below , that might cut down markedly on energy needs for lightning.
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20 Sep 2005 01:58:59 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:35:14 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
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habshi logic: firewood destroys forests so electric kettles save oil.
Most water heaters are gas, not oil idiot.<
Gas and oil are both fossil fuels so we should eke out both . The point is that if you leave
the heater on all day , you might use up 50cc of oil , but if you use the electric kettle only 4
times , you might use only 10cc , so the latter would be better .
The American govt must up gas prices to the same level as the europeans to encourage
efficiency and use the money for alternate energy sources.
What about sheets on the roof which collect light and pipe it via fiber optics to rooms
below , that might cut down markedly on energy needs for lightning.
What about you blow your silly crap out your *****?
BTW, light pipes that do this have been for sale in the US for decades.
Once again, habshi the babbling idiot solves a problem that was solved
in the real world long ago.
What will you think up next? Maybe a device to make moving pictures?
Idiot.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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20 Sep 2005 01:06:50 PM |
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The most mole for the buck.
H2O2 (steam rocket/water rocket ) dual gas diesel .
Thermal ballanced gas air steam at 350 F .
wih gas to maintain the heat and o2 to boost the steam at TDC.
Liquid pistons driving sliding vane rotors.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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20 Sep 2005 01:17:34 PM |
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Watch a blast go off underwater 500 feet.
Watch how big and how long the bubble of the blast expands against the
sea presure then contracts .
Thats a second held out at the biggest balloon bubble it can make. It
Takes 1/3 of a second to expand 1/2 way out.
The water rocket will use the stroke the best .
With a sliding vane rotor converting it to rotation is better than a
turbine or piston or all the methods.
You must be in love with stupid old idias to ignore te methods math
uses.
Math picked the methods of LPE .
math drew a rotor with an inside cam .
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| User: "Maximust" |
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20 Sep 2005 05:01:34 PM |
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habshi wrote:
If one family collects firewood the forest can cope but if hundreds of
millions do then the forests are wiped out and everything turns into desert.
So if we can all use electric kettles to heat water it could literally save
millions of barrels of oil each year and give ourselves a few more years to
bring in nuclear fusion etc
What's even more important is that an astute individual can cook their meals in
an electric kettle!
http://www.thomasscott.net/iron/pasta
This could possibly save the world, humanity and the whales.
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06 Sep 2005 11:51:46 AM |
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Note , the islanders have had enough of ferries which are costly in manpower and not very
safe . Once the underwater links are built tens of thousands can go across . The longest underground
rail tunnel is between two Japanese islands and is about 40 miles long
Nuke power can supply all the energy to run these rail lines , Its better to spend $10b a
year building 500 miles of six lane rail lines in the USA than hand over $60b or more each year to
OPEC for Jihad and terrorirsm
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Islanders see a brighter future with tunnel vision
By David Lister
An underwater link to Scottish mainland could cost £100m
THEY are among the proudest islanders in the world, famous for the stoicism with which they have
endured waves of invaders and the brutal rhythm of the sea at the northern extremity of Britain.
But Orkney may take a step towards relinquishing its heritage tomorrow by approving a series of
studies likely to result in a £100 million tunnel linking it to the Scottish mainland.
For years anybody wanting to travel between Orkney and John o’Groats has had to endure an hour-long
ferry journey across the Pentland Firth, one of the most turbulent sea crossings in Europe. There
are flights to Orkney from Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Inverness, but fares are relatively
expensive.
If, as expected, the 13 members of Orkney Islands Council’s transportation and infrastructure
committee say “yes” to the feasibility reports, the nine-mile ferry crossing could become a
ten-minute drive.
The first study would look into a £30 million project to build two tunnels between inner islands. A
further one investigating a link to the mainland is expected to follow.
Captain Bob Sclater, the chairman of the committee, was once greeted with howls of laughter when he
mentioned the idea of an tunnel. Now his vision could become reality. Captain Sclater said: “We’re
now showing that this isn’t a pipedream. The idea is getting closer.” Despite the benefits that a
tunnel could bring — not having to replace ferries every 20 years, faster journeys and travel
regardless of the weather — some islanders believe that they are outweighed by the potential
problems.
A survey for the The Orcadian newspaper this year found that 71 per cent of inhabitants were against
a tunnel to the mainland, and 52 per cent opposed tunnels between the inner isles.
As well as the possible harm to local businesses and the risk that a tunnel to John o’Groats might
make Orkney ineligible for financial grants, many believe that it would do incalculable damage to
their unique island culture. They fear that the islands, about twenty of which are inhabited, would
suffer an increase in crime and an uncontrollable tide of visitors.
Jeremy Baster, the council’s director of development services, said: “Orkney would no longer be an
island, and some people don’t like that.”
Tom Muir, the exhibitions officer at the Orkney Museum, said: “Some people are very positive about
the idea, but others feel that a tunnel to the mainland would erode the island’s identity and some
of the good aspects of being so isolated.”
In May last year council members visited Norway to learn about the country’s 24 sub-sea routes. In
March councillors attended an “inspiring” presentation by a Norwegian tunnelling expert, who
predicted that a 9.3-mile tunnel to John o’Groats could be built for about £6 million a kilometre,
or a total bill of £100 million.
Captain Sclater said: “The sum of money we’re looking at isn’t all that much. You also have to
consider the ongoing subsidies to the ferry service and that a replacement ferry is about £35
million.”
Tomorrow’s committee meeting is expected to recommend that an engineering report be carried out into
two tunnels, each a mile long, between Mainland, the principal Orkney island, and the isles of
Rousay and Shapinsay.
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06 Sep 2005 11:49:21 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
71 lines of badly formated tripe with zero physics content.
Idiot.
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06 Sep 2005 11:25:51 AM |
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In sci.physics Into the living sea of waking dreams <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.net> wrote:
The small people of Scotland pop 5m are building underwater tunnels to link their far flung
islands at a cost of $10m a mile -about twenty miles or so of dual roads . The mighty USA can easily
afford to do the same .
The "mighty USA" doesn't have any "far flung islands" it needs to link to.
<snip babble>
Your are still an imbecile.
Hawaii?
Guam?
American Samoa?
Puerto Rico?
quite the engineering achievement!
j.
Drive to Guam in an undersea tunnel?
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06 Sep 2005 06:35:06 AM |
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No use of doing this when fossil fuel depletion will force the System
into a "stay at home" (ant mound) configuration, a la "The Machine
Stops" by Forster, ushering in the Global Brain (see the Principia
Cybernetica site).
Have a nice day.
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06 Sep 2005 11:29:16 AM |
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habshi wrote:
The small people of Scotland
Hey idiot wog, a Claymore sword is at least four feet long (even
longer in metric). It would require three Gunga Dins to carry it and
one bonny Scots lass with baby at suck to grab the hilt widdershins
and cut their heads clean off their shoulders at a stroke. Their
women have bigger clits than wogs have dicks.
pop 5m are building underwater tunnels to link their far flung
islands at a cost of $10m a mile -about twenty miles or so of dual roads .
[snip]
Idiot wog. A WHOLE 20 MILES! How many islands are there, two?
(One. The Scots are building a magnificent underwater turnabout.)
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| User: "habshi" |
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07 Sep 2005 07:50:06 AM |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:29:16 -0700, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote:
It would require three Gunga Dins to carry it <
Actually Uncle , the Jats of Haryana , at over 6ft , around Delhi , are the tallest men in
the world (apart from African watusi) . The women are small because although they are worshipped ,
they are not fed , and have to survive on scraps after the men have finished eating.
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| User: "K. Jones" |
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08 Sep 2005 11:38:49 PM |
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"habshi" <habshi@anony.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:29:16 -0700, Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
wrote:
It would require three Gunga Dins to carry it <
Actually Uncle , the Jats of Haryana , at over 6ft , around Delhi , are
the tallest men in
the world (apart from African watusi) . The women are small because
although they are worshipped ,
they are not fed , and have to survive on scraps after the men have
finished eating.
I dunno, I was married to a Scottish lass for a while. I'd say she coulda
kicked all their asses.
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17 Sep 2005 06:50:14 AM |
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Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
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17 Sep 2005 10:38:38 AM |
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In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
You don't sit in a shower, you stand up idiot.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
You mean a tankless water heater also called a flash heater?
They've been available for many decades in the civilized world.
Here's one manufacturer: http://www.noritzamerica.com/
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| User: "Ed Earl Ross" |
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17 Sep 2005 04:52:26 PM |
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wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
You don't sit in a shower, you stand up idiot.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
You mean a tankless water heater also called a flash heater?
They've been available for many decades in the civilized world.
Here's one manufacturer: http://www.noritzamerica.com/
If you weren't a babbling imbecile spending all your time reading
comic books and posting inane tripe to usenet you would know this.
Jimp@..., using a solar water heater can provide hot water with no
energy input.
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Humbly--Ed
"If the man doesn't believe as we do,
we say he is a crank, and that settles it.
I mean, it does nowadays, because now we
can't burn him." (Mark Twain)
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17 Sep 2005 05:02:28 PM |
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In sci.physics Ed Earl Ross <edearl@satx.rr.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
You don't sit in a shower, you stand up idiot.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
You mean a tankless water heater also called a flash heater?
They've been available for many decades in the civilized world.
Here's one manufacturer: http://www.noritzamerica.com/
If you weren't a babbling imbecile spending all your time reading
comic books and posting inane tripe to usenet you would know this.
Jimp@..., using a solar water heater can provide hot water with no
energy input.
You mean no purchased energy other than the energy required to build
the solar collector, piping, and storage tank and the energy for the
pump to circulate the water between the collector and storage tank if
you want hot water in the middle of the night?
Even so, so what?
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Humbly--Ed
"If the man doesn't believe as we do,
we say he is a crank, and that settles it.
I mean, it does nowadays, because now we
can't burn him." (Mark Twain)
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17 Sep 2005 05:16:04 PM |
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In sci.physics Ed Earl Ross <edearl@satx.rr.com> wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
You don't sit in a shower, you stand up idiot.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
You mean a tankless water heater also called a flash heater?
They've been available for many decades in the civilized world.
Here's one manufacturer: http://www.noritzamerica.com/
If you weren't a babbling imbecile spending all your time reading
comic books and posting inane tripe to usenet you would know this.
Jimp@..., using a solar water heater can provide hot water with no
energy input.
You mean no purchased energy other than the energy required to build
the solar collector, piping, and storage tank and the energy for the
pump to circulate the water between the collector and storage tank if
you want hot water in the middle of the night?
Of course. However, a bucket of water can be heated with a solar
heater made from cardboard, aluminum foil, and a bit of clear
plastic wrap. The energy to manufacture the materials is
insignificant, as are the material cost.
Convenience, bells and whistles add cost, but don't heat water any
better.
Even so, so what?
Whatever!
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Humbly--Ed
"If the man doesn't believe as we do,
we say he is a crank, and that settles it.
I mean, it does nowadays, because now we
can't burn him." (Mark Twain)
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Humbly--Ed
"If the man doesn't believe as we do,
we say he is a crank, and that settles it.
I mean, it does nowadays, because now we
can't burn him." (Mark Twain)
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17 Sep 2005 07:00:09 PM |
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In sci.physics, Ed Earl Ross
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Ed Earl Ross <edearl@satx.rr.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics habshi <habshi@anony.com> wrote:
Most Indians never have a bath or a shower as they dont like
sitting in dirty water . They use buckets and sccop it with a glass
and shower that way.
You don't sit in a shower, you stand up idiot.
However it seems wasteful to heat a hot water tank and let
most of it cool down . is there any invention similar to an electric
kettle where one can put the heating element in a bucket of water and
the elec supply would turn off once it reached a certain temperature .
Of course it would have the plug and socket outside the
bathroom . It might be surprising but even using electricity it might
turn out the cheapest method of heating a bucket of water and using it
at once .
You mean a tankless water heater also called a flash heater?
They've been available for many decades in the civilized world.
Here's one manufacturer: http://www.noritzamerica.com/
If you weren't a babbling imbecile spending all your time reading
comic books and posting inane tripe to usenet you would know this.
Jimp@..., using a solar water heater can provide hot water with no
energy input.
You mean no purchased energy other than the energy required to build
the solar collector, piping, and storage tank and the energy for the
pump to circulate the water between the collector and storage tank if
you want hot water in the middle of the night?
Of course. However, a bucket of water can be heated with a solar
heater made from cardboard, aluminum foil, and a bit of clear
plastic wrap. The energy to manufacture the materials is
insignificant, as are the material cost.
Convenience, bells and whistles add cost, but don't heat water any
better.
'Taint nothing free in this world. While you are right in
that one can procure the elements rather cheaply (though
I'd have to research the manufacturing costs of aluminum;
bauxite refining takes quite a bit of electrical energy
which is why recycling of aluminum is so important), it
still takes *energy* to warm the water -- 4180 joules /
kg C, to be precise, or 418,000 J to boil 1 kg of water that
comes in at freezing cold temperatures. (And that doesn't
count the actual boiling; fortunately that's not a requirement
for this particular problem.)
So...a user wants to shower early in the morning. How long
before the unit can supply hot water from its cistern?
How, precisely, would the water be heated? Is it done in
the cistern, or in an ancillary heating unit, surrounded by
appropriate reflective material to direct the Sun's energy
(about 1,000 W/m^2) thereinto?
How big of a collector does one want? :-)
If one assumes a good shower is 100 liters of hot (40C)
water and intake of 10C, one is looking at an energy budget
of about 100 kg * 4180 J/kg-C * 30 C = 12.54 megaJoules
(or 3.48 kWh), regardless of heater location.
With a 1 m^2 collector that will take almost 3 1/2 hours
for preheating -- and that's assuming one can rotate the
collector to face the Sun directly, and that the collector
is 100% efficient. With a rather larger 100 m^2 collector
it would take maybe 2 minutes -- though 10 meters square
looks a bit unwieldly. (One could admittedly style a
reflector dish a la a radiotelescope, but it would require
a diameter of about 11.3 meters. That's probably rather
larger than the actual house it's trying to heat water for.
But one could probably get by with an 8 minute heating time
and a 5.65-diameter dish -- on a sunny morning, anyway.)
The good news is that the collector need not be electrical
in this instance; "solar ovens" are well known and can bake
a potato without too much trouble. Of course potatoes don't
contain 100 liters of water, either. :-)
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| User: "habshi" |
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18 Sep 2005 06:25:07 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:00:09 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
If one assumes a good shower is 100 liters of hot (40C)
water and intake of 10C, one is looking at an energy budget
of about 100 kg * 4180 J/kg-C * 30 C = 12.54 megaJoules
(or 3.48 kWh), regardless of heater location.<
The bucket I use is a large one which holds 15 liters and
thats plenty for a good shower , the plastic cup is 1.5 pints or
aboutabout a liter , so we are talking of 0.5 kwh or about half a unit
or about 10 cents at 20 cents a unit . India I think is about the same
- so a family of four can have a good shower for about 40 cents a day
using electricity or $12 a month - rupees 500
With a 1 m^2 collector that will take almost 3 1/2 hours
for preheating -- and that's assuming one can rotate the
collector to face the Sun directly, and that the collector
is 100% efficient<
So 15 liters might take about 30 mins , maybe 4 plastic
buckets kept out in the sun with inside lined by aluminum foil might
save huge amounts of energy
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution |
18 Sep 2005 02:34:42 PM |
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Hydra-rocket and sliding vane rotor with an inner cam can run water
pistons from clinder A to B and back ..the iner cam will slide to the
slide vanes out the bottom of the turning rotor instead of the top .
60-104 rpm water pipes with injector blocks and valve blocks fit for
pipe threds.
The LPE 138 looks like a a spider on its back .
A AC gen sits on top of the rotor and the cylinder pipes stick out like
legs .
The 2 cylinder LPE dont have coolant and is insulated to keep the heat
in.
If the water is boling then no gas fuel but just oxygen o2 is injectted
into super hot steam at tdc.
The engine must ballance or run coolant too.
Down the highway you want to not run coolant and use the heat .
The ballanced insulated engine will use more o2 than gas ,,it only
neads gas to maintain the heat lost .
then its a combined detation 2 cycle.
ballanced gas air steam o2.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
18 Sep 2005 02:54:13 PM |
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water rocket - Google Image Search
Address:http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=water+rocket
I geuss its called a WATER ROCKET engine.
But Im running a 4 cyliner for constant thrust .
I can find all the parts on the net for around 2 grand . a 4
cyclinder of 3x30 inch pipes.
At that rate and speed..a tank of fuel will last you .
No oil ,,no berrings , instead of waisting energy converting thrust
into rotation and turning a prop to get thrust ..its direct with none of
the losses.
A very simple 1 inch hole and a 3 x 30 inch stroke at 500 psi constant
volume .
very very simple .
It makes evry boat on the water ..retarted.
Running anything else would be fuel energy insane .
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
18 Sep 2005 03:23:18 PM |
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5 gal water cooler jug with 35 psi 1/2 full of water will go 100 feet.
Notice the 1/2 second 2 gallon stroke from 35 psi . Notice even more
the explosive decomoresion cloud of steam off the water serface. The
lpe rams that up to 16/1 bar.
then slams a CAtipilar diesel injectoer full of liquid oxygen into red
hot steam !!
Wile the sliding vane controles how big the hole is. wile it converts
it all to rotation.
This is cool as ***** ,,you gotta see this .
Google Image Result for
http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg
Address:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/&h=288&w=384&sz=10&tbnid=qGlan6nsluAJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=119&hl=en&start=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwater%2Brocket%26start%3D100%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
18 Sep 2005 09:33:21 PM |
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That 2 ton hydroic jack went up too.
At 35 psi the 90 pound thrust one second stroke put the 5 gal jug over
the dudes house.
That was only 35 psi .
If it was 350 psi he would not have found the jug .
Google Image Result for
http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg
Address:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/&h=288&w=384&sz=10&tbnid=qGlan6nsluAJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=119&hl=en&start=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwater%2Brocket%26start%3D100%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
18 Sep 2005 03:27:48 PM |
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Dont forget ,,,I make clear steel ,,and Im only showing you carbon fuels
and 2 stroke lpe.
Liquid mettle liquid steel that neads no exsaust and only uses a
reaction injection means I can run 1,000,000 in 2 cylinders 20 inch id
10 feet tall .
Its 300 bucks a gal but a tank last 10 years.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
18 Sep 2005 03:18:00 PM |
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Google Image Result for
http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg
Address:http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/images/tie2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.spagweb.com/magicspanner/water_rocket/&h=288&w=384&sz=10&tbnid=qGlan6nsluAJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=119&hl=en&start=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwater%2Brocket%26start%3D100%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
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| User: "Autymn D. C." |
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| Title: Re: Energy substitution NGas water-rockets |
21 Sep 2005 10:16:55 AM |
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Learn what a waist is, retard.
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