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Topic: Science > Physics
User: ""
Date: 11 Nov 2006 08:52:26 AM
Object: entanglement question 2
I'm beginning to understand what this is all about, but still have
doubts:
Suppose in a normal Bell experiment
A--------C---------B
we replace C with
D-C-E
where D and E are electron filters oppositely oriented, also D and E
rotate randomly together. Questions:
1-Would this setup produce the same result as normal Bell experiment?
2-If in this setup we use one electron at a time, and when A and B are
set to be oppositely oriented but not the same orientation as D and E,
would the electrons always show opposite spin?
3-Were there really Bell experiments done with one electron at a time?
Thanks in advance.
.

User: "Ben Rudiak-Gould"

Title: Re: entanglement question 2 11 Nov 2006 11:33:01 AM
wrote:

Suppose in a normal Bell experiment
A--------C---------B
we replace C with
D-C-E
where D and E are electron filters oppositely oriented, also D and E
rotate randomly together.

I assume that by electron filter you mean something like a Stern-Gerlach
apparatus that blocks one of the output beams and lets the other one through.

Questions:
1-Would this setup produce the same result as normal Bell experiment?

No. The electrons that get through aren't entangled any more.

2-If in this setup we use one electron at a time, and when A and B are
set to be oppositely oriented but not the same orientation as D and E,
would the electrons always show opposite spin?

No. You'll get the equivalent of two independent coin flips.

3-Were there really Bell experiments done with one electron at a time?

I don't know. The Aspect experiment used photons, not electrons.
-- Ben
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User: ""

Title: Re: entanglement question 2 11 Nov 2006 11:59:03 AM
Ben Rudiak-Gould wrote:

nobody1357@operamail.com wrote:

Suppose in a normal Bell experiment
A--------C---------B
we replace C with
D-C-E
where D and E are electron filters oppositely oriented, also D and E
rotate randomly together.


I assume that by electron filter you mean something like a Stern-Gerlach
apparatus that blocks one of the output beams and lets the other one through.

yes that's what I meant


Questions:
1-Would this setup produce the same result as normal Bell experiment?


No. The electrons that get through aren't entangled any more.

I was suspecting this. Then, (assuming this modified version has really
been done and result differs from normal experiment) entangled
electrons truly don't have a definite polarization.


2-If in this setup we use one electron at a time, and when A and B are
set to be oppositely oriented but not the same orientation as D and E,
would the electrons always show opposite spin?


No. You'll get the equivalent of two independent coin flips.

3-Were there really Bell experiments done with one electron at a time?


I don't know. The Aspect experiment used photons, not electrons.

-- Ben

Thank you.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: entanglement question 2 11 Nov 2006 11:31:08 PM
I have a new question:
suppose there are two pairs of entangled electrons (generated at C and
F).
A----C----B
D----F----E
We know that the measurement at A affects the measurement at B. Suppose
we change the orientation of the apparatus at E according to the result
we get at B. The measurement at E affects measurement at D. Then, there
should be a correlation between results at A and D. So, by choosing
whether or not to let B affect E, can information not be sent almost
instantly?
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