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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Phil Holman"
Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:44:14 AM
Object: Eotvos - Status Update
Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?
Phil H
.

User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 10:07:03 AM
"Phil Holman" <piholmanA@com1cast.net> wrote in message
news:dtSdnUhYdLgs2a_eRVn-sw@comcast.com...

Mid September was slated for the parity test result.
What's the latest Al?
Phil H

[hanson]
ahahaha... Do you have to rub it in that blatantly, Phil?
Can't you see that Al, the poor *****, is tormented by
an entire horde of well wishers, to the point where he
can't tell any longer who is who, for or against, chiral
or not, in Al's tool box in this hilarious segment of this
grand Eotvoes soap opera here.... Personally, I
am waiting for the folks from the PRC to weigh in, the
good folks who followed all of Al's instructions for this
show about which Al asserted that it's: "Mine, all mine."
news:43173874.8C1C3559@hate.spam.net...
ahahaha... Thanks for the laughs.
ahahaha... ahahanson
.

User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 01:18:04 PM
Phil Holman wrote:


Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?

Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.
I'm kinda thinkin' maybe the Equivalence Principle has fallen. Given
the timing vs. experiment duration, it would be an Eotvos factor of
more than 10^(-12) difference/average compared to demonstrated balance
sensitivity of 10^-(13) and my predicted 3x10^(-12). That's a whole
big pile of standard deviations.
I may read about it before being Officially informed, but it can't be
made to stick that way. The archived public record datestamping my
claim dates back to before 1999,
Google
"Uncle Al" Eotvos 9370 hits
Google Groups
eotvos author:Uncle author:Al 2540 hits
"Uncle Al" Eotvos 4150 hits
Every spewing idiot who declaims I cannot possibly retain possession
of my creation makes it more likely that I will. They are my willing
bitches. The PR China group cannot do the relevant calculations nor
can they reproduce the software that does (I know what and who it
required). Two other academic Eotvos groups - given the mammoth flow
of grant funding to follow - would be sudden sincere enemies of my
enemy. And on and on.
One further curiosity: The newsletter of the American Physical
Society Topical Group in Gravitation, "Matters of Gravity," has
published each spring and fall (15 September) for the past 12 years -
but not this September.
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/
Given the Perimeter Institute chugging along, Randall's book, Gravity
Probe B, Stanford and Eot-Wash with small centers-of-mass separation
1/r^2 experiment results, the international Big G controversy, etc.,
there are abundant things to discuss.
Proximity is not causality, still... and I've been a gadfly about the
ears of MOG personnel while developing the parity Eotvos experiment.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 02:49:47 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
Eotvos update:
http://www.airdisaster.com/latest.jpg
Eotvos as it was conceived:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38675000/jpg/_38675783_challenger_238.jpg
Androcles
.

User: "Jan Panteltje"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 02:26:15 PM
On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:

Phil Holman wrote:


Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.

I'm kinda thinkin' maybe the Equivalence Principle has fallen. Given
the timing vs. experiment duration, it would be an Eotvos factor of
more than 10^(-12) difference/average compared to demonstrated balance
sensitivity of 10^-(13) and my predicted 3x10^(-12). That's a whole
big pile of standard deviations.

If they have some signal, they will want to re-run, and then will test and
test and test for systematic errors.
Forget about it.
Years, then it will have to be done in a different way by other groups.
MAYBE then we will have something.
Look at the silence from the gravity experiment...
Even whotshisname no longer posts here (must have locked him up, eeh Varney).
I do not mind you being the one who 'did it' but I do not expect anything
for a long time....
(Xept if 0 of cause).
But you have to give credit to those Chinese, they build it, they run it,
ideas are a dime a dozen.

I may read about it before being Officially informed, but it can't be
made to stick that way. The archived public record datestamping my
claim dates back to before 1999,

Google
"Uncle Al" Eotvos 9370 hits

Google Groups
eotvos author:Uncle author:Al 2540 hits
"Uncle Al" Eotvos 4150 hits

Every spewing idiot who declaims I cannot possibly retain possession
of my creation makes it more likely that I will. They are my willing
bitches. The PR China group cannot do the relevant calculations nor
can they reproduce the software that does (I know what and who it
required). Two other academic Eotvos groups - given the mammoth flow
of grant funding to follow - would be sudden sincere enemies of my
enemy. And on and on.

One further curiosity: The newsletter of the American Physical
Society Topical Group in Gravitation, "Matters of Gravity," has
published each spring and fall (15 September) for the past 12 years -
but not this September.

http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/

Given the Perimeter Institute chugging along, Randall's book, Gravity
Probe B, Stanford and Eot-Wash with small centers-of-mass separation
1/r^2 experiment results, the international Big G controversy, etc.,
there are abundant things to discuss.

Proximity is not causality, still... and I've been a gadfly about the
ears of MOG personnel while developing the parity Eotvos experiment.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

.
User: "Mark Fergerson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 03:43:18 PM
Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:

Phil Holman wrote:

Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.

I'm kinda thinkin' maybe the Equivalence Principle has fallen. Given
the timing vs. experiment duration, it would be an Eotvos factor of
more than 10^(-12) difference/average compared to demonstrated balance
sensitivity of 10^-(13) and my predicted 3x10^(-12). That's a whole
big pile of standard deviations.


If they have some signal, they will want to re-run, and then will test and
test and test for systematic errors.

I tend to concur. After all, great discoveries are usually
heralded by phrases like "I wasn't expecting _that_".

Forget about it.
Years, then it will have to be done in a different way by other groups.

As long as the "different way" looks for the same thing.

MAYBE then we will have something.
Look at the silence from the gravity experiment...

Silence from an experiment expected to confirm or refine known
results may indicate "something unexpected".

Even whotshisname no longer posts here (must have locked him up, eeh Varney).
I do not mind you being the one who 'did it' but I do not expect anything
for a long time....
(Xept if 0 of cause).

I'd think a null result would rate at least a preliminary
announcement. A non-null OTOH would reasonably generate silence
because nobody wants to be the next Pons & Fleischman.
But silence can indeed be significant, especially if somebody
wearing red shoulderboards starts thinking weaponization...

One further curiosity: The newsletter of the American Physical
Society Topical Group in Gravitation, "Matters of Gravity," has
published each spring and fall (15 September) for the past 12 years -
but not this September.

http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/

You have to admit, that's pretty damn strange.

Given the Perimeter Institute chugging along, Randall's book, Gravity
Probe B, Stanford and Eot-Wash with small centers-of-mass separation
1/r^2 experiment results, the international Big G controversy, etc.,
there are abundant things to discuss.

I've just come off a mild case of flu; what "international Big G
controversy"?

Proximity is not causality, still... and I've been a gadfly about the
ears of MOG personnel while developing the parity Eotvos experiment.

So, Unc might not be on their speed-dial list? ;>)
Mark L. Fergerson
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 06:43:22 PM
Mark Fergerson wrote:


Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:


Phil Holman wrote:

Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.

I'm kinda thinkin' maybe the Equivalence Principle has fallen. Given
the timing vs. experiment duration, it would be an Eotvos factor of
more than 10^(-12) difference/average compared to demonstrated balance
sensitivity of 10^-(13) and my predicted 3x10^(-12). That's a whole
big pile of standard deviations.


If they have some signal, they will want to re-run, and then will test and
test and test for systematic errors.


I tend to concur. After all, great discoveries are usually
heralded by phrases like "I wasn't expecting _that_".

You forget that that the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz comes
along with its own controls - the two hemiparity Eotvos experiments of
each hand of quartz vs. fused silica. In any case, different test
masses can be cut, fabricated, and completely run within four months.
The equipment is qualified from previous classical runs, as are the
protocols for running the thing and analyzing data and errors. The
signal is phase-lock amplified slaved to balance rotation. Everything
external cancels at will. I did it my way and I did it right. My
people are the best at every step.
The loaded rotor is *perfectly* classically balanced to all orders of
mass distribution and moments of inertia. Quartz is quartz to the
limits of fabrication excellence. A net signal - a big one! - has
only one possible origin: left hands vacuum free fall differently from
right hands. It's Petitjean's CHI what done it.

Forget about it.
Years, then it will have to be done in a different way by other groups.


As long as the "different way" looks for the same thing.

Already covered. Luo did solid cylinders. Adelberger was assigned
solid spheres at his insistence. Solid pentagonal dodecahedra also
qualify if you are a little bit Rococo. CNC machining and polishing to
optical standards is no big deal.

MAYBE then we will have something.
Look at the silence from the gravity experiment...


Silence from an experiment expected to confirm or refine known
results may indicate "something unexpected".

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.

Even whotshisname no longer posts here (must have locked him up, eeh Varney).
I do not mind you being the one who 'did it' but I do not expect anything
for a long time....
(Xept if 0 of cause).


I'd think a null result would rate at least a preliminary
announcement. A non-null OTOH would reasonably generate silence
because nobody wants to be the next Pons & Fleischman.

But silence can indeed be significant, especially if somebody
wearing red shoulderboards starts thinking weaponization...

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" Real stooopid in
real time, but also real paranoid especially after the fact. Uncle
Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice through channels. Nothing
will come of it.

One further curiosity: The newsletter of the American Physical
Society Topical Group in Gravitation, "Matters of Gravity," has
published each spring and fall (15 September) for the past 12 years -
but not this September.

http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/


You have to admit, that's pretty damn strange.

Given the Perimeter Institute chugging along, Randall's book, Gravity
Probe B, Stanford and Eot-Wash with small centers-of-mass separation
1/r^2 experiment results, the international Big G controversy, etc.,
there are abundant things to discuss.


I've just come off a mild case of flu; what "international Big G
controversy"?

Measured numbers don't jive big time and nobody can find an error in
disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.

Proximity is not causality, still... and I've been a gadfly about the
ears of MOG personnel while developing the parity Eotvos experiment.


So, Unc might not be on their speed-dial list? ;>)

They might wonder how a foreign researcher independently discovered
what was already known and publicly disclosed,
"Affine vs. Metric Gravitation Parity Test" Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 49(2)
54 (2004)
and why he cannot produce a reason for test mass configuration. If I
were diddling cylinders I would have their height equal their
diameter. The parity Eotvos experiment has their height equal to
sqrt(3) times their radius. It's in Petitjean's math and we've
checked it with explicit QCM calculation of tellurium crystallattice
samplings,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b36
There's second order stuff beyond moments of inertia, also
inexplicable without Petitjean.
I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 10:20:02 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4333419A.603BFE92@hate.spam.net...

to Mark Fergerson:

[Al]

... the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz comes along with
its own controls - the two hemiparity Eotvos experiments of
each hand of quartz vs. fused silica. In any case, different test
masses can be cut, fabricated, and completely run within four months.
The equipment is qualified from previous classical runs, as are the
protocols for running the thing and analyzing data and errors. The
signal is phase-lock amplified slaved to balance rotation.
Everything external cancels at will.
**** I did it my way and I did it right. ****
**** My people are the best at every step. ****

The loaded rotor is *perfectly* classically balanced to all orders of
mass distribution and moments of inertia. Quartz is quartz to the
limits of fabrication excellence.
A net signal - a big one! - has only one possible origin:
**** left hands vacuum free fall differently from right hands. ****
**** It's Petitjean's CHI what done it. ****

Luo did solid cylinders. Adelberger was assigned solid spheres
at his insistence. Solid pentagonal dodecahedra also qualify.
We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare.
GR is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level.
Hooh-rah. Now, I'm bored again.>

Fergie: weaponization...


[Al]

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" [<=== A]
Real stooopid in real time, but also real paranoid especially
after the fact. Uncle Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice
through channels. Nothing will come of it.

Fergie: "international Big G controversy"?


[Al]

Measured numbers [for G] don't jive big time and nobody can find an
error in disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.

[hanson] (B)
The reason that "nobody can find an error " is not with the experiments.
The root of the problem lays in the fact the Faraday constant (F), (N_A)
Avogadro's #, and Newton's (G) are intertwined and interrelated. Hence
unless NEW relations can be found that do not experimentally connect
these constants with each other, no improvement in accuracy can be
expected. In a first step measurements of FNG pairs should be done
with the hope that a product or ratio of F&G, G&N, N&F etc. will bring
more accurate experimental results. One such composite values are
known to a high accuracy, then rest is easy. = I've posted on this issue
many times in the past. But, of course, especially N_A, the mole, faces
the same emotional barrier/hang-up with the orthodox physics community
as does the term "chirality"... Hey, twisted mirror images and moles are
hard to swallow for people who have difficulties with the interpretations of
simple relativity... ahahaha...


[Al]

They [who??] might wonder how a foreign researcher [Luo???]
independently discovered what was already known and publicly disclosed,
[in] "Affine vs. Metric Gravitation Parity Test" Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 49(2)
54 (2004) [D9.006] by Alan M. Schwartz (MGLS, Ltd.)

... why he [who?] cannot produce a reason for test mass configuration.
If I were diddling cylinders I would have their height equal their
diameter. The parity Eotvos experiment has their height equal to
sqrt(3) times their radius. It's in Petitjean's math and we've
checked it with explicit QCM calculation of tellurium crystallattice
samplings, http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b36
There's second order stuff beyond moments of inertia, also
inexplicable without Petitjean. ...... ***[same reason as above in (B)]***
I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Uncle Al

[hanson]
.... ahahaha.. OK, uncle Moses... whether it's **"Mine, all mine"** is
ultimately not determined by you, since you didn't fund it AND since
physics happens to be a social enterprise too, whether you & your
Army of Light likes it or not...
So, if I were in your shoes, I'd mend fences, I' be looking for new
allies (and be nice to them, since you want somenthing from them)
and I'd begin to look where, in case of non-null effects of F<>m*b,
[F, the force difference onto chiral vs achiral SiO2 or matter] does
show up in nature. If so, then for instance, one can imagine that a
spatial enrichment difference of different CHI - SiO2 grains in cosmic
nebulae would occur over the eons, and if a /_\ conc., a stratification
of different CHI matter can be detected in some of the galaxies' or
nebulae bands/arms via their IR, Mw or radar spectra, then you
have the "empirical" proof for your "Mine, all mine" notion. == OTOH,
if no effects are to be found anywhere then the entire exercise remains
an intellectual masturbation... But it was fun, respectively, anyway....
Like said, I'd get busy, make friends in the astrophys community and ...
to use your bosom buddies Savain's vernacular ... start to kiss *****
until your lips and tongue are raw.... ahahaha... Get with it, Al! Don't let
this one slip away like your Cockroach repellant or your Diamonds.
[A] ===> Don't bag on the US government. Instead, use your current
notoriety (and team up with an astrodude) and get a fat grant. Once you
have the dough, then and only then can you say it's "Mine, all mine".
Good luck to you. Remember: == It's HOW you say it that matters. ==
Go for it, Al, or they will go .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... again, over you...
ahahaha... ahahahanson
.
User: "NunYa Bidness"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 10:43:30 PM
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:20:02 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> Gave us:

Go for it, Al, or they will go .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... again, over you...
ahahaha... ahahahanson


You're an idiot. Ha ha ha, and ahahaha included. You're about as
retarded as a person your age can get.
.
User: "Traveler"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 10:54:15 PM
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:43:30 GMT, NunYa Bidness
<nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:20:02 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> Gave us:

Go for it, Al, or they will go .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... again, over you...
ahahaha... ahahahanson


You're an idiot. Ha ha ha, and ahahaha included. You're about as
retarded as a person your age can get.

What a lame nerd you are, Varney. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 24 Sep 2005 10:04:38 AM
"Traveler" <traveler@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:bdj9j1pk9hqv1fs8iqcd8h3bvshhii6qb6@4ax.com...
that Varney as "NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org>
aka Lodo, the Dreidel "TokaMundo" <TokaMundo@weedizgood.org>
aka
is AGAIN loaded & fully
undun from the effects of his bad weed he'd put into his bong when
he painfully lisped.... :

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> Gave us: [**B**]

Go for it, Al, or they will go .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... again, over you...
ahahaha... ahahahanson

[Lodo, the dreidel]

You're an idiot. Ha ha ha, and ahahaha included. You're about as
retarded as a person your age can get.


[Louis]

What a lame nerd you are, Varney. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm

[hanson]
..... hahaha... AHAHAHA... you are right, Louis. Varney aka Lodo got
disturbed in his sorry condition, by the terms "mole" & "masturbation".
when it made his mentation lame as he tried to get it up... unsuccessfully...
ahahaha... Therefore, I will redo the post without the [**B**] line, so
that Varney can re-"mole-st" himself without being "dis-turbed"...
ahaha... ahahanson


"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4333419A.603BFE92@hate.spam.net...

to Mark Fergerson:

[Al]

... the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz comes along with
its own controls - the two hemiparity Eotvos experiments of
each hand of quartz vs. fused silica. In any case, different test
masses can be cut, fabricated, and completely run within four months.
The equipment is qualified from previous classical runs, as are the
protocols for running the thing and analyzing data and errors. The
signal is phase-lock amplified slaved to balance rotation.
Everything external cancels at will.
**** I did it my way and I did it right. ****
**** My people are the best at every step. ****

The loaded rotor is *perfectly* classically balanced to all orders of
mass distribution and moments of inertia. Quartz is quartz to the
limits of fabrication excellence.
A net signal - a big one! - has only one possible origin:
**** left hands vacuum free fall differently from right hands. ****
**** It's Petitjean's CHI what done it. ****

Luo did solid cylinders. Adelberger was assigned solid spheres
at his insistence. Solid pentagonal dodecahedra also qualify.
We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare.
GR is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level.
Hooh-rah. Now, I'm bored again.>

Fergie: weaponization...


[Al]

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" [<=== A]
Real stooopid in real time, but also real paranoid especially
after the fact. Uncle Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice
through channels. Nothing will come of it.

Fergie: "international Big G controversy"?


[Al]

Measured numbers [for G] don't jive big time and nobody can find an
error in disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.

[hanson] (B)
The reason that "nobody can find an error " is not with the experiments.
The root of the problem lays in the fact the Faraday constant (F), (N_A)
Avogadro's #, and Newton's (G) are intertwined and interrelated. Hence
unless NEW relations can be found that do not experimentally connect
these constants with each other, no improvement in accuracy can be
expected. In a first step measurements of FNG pairs should be done
with the hope that a product or ratio of F&G, G&N, N&F etc. will bring
more accurate experimental results. One such composite values are
known to a high accuracy, then rest is easy. = I've posted on this issue
many times in the past. But, of course, especially N_A, the mole, faces
the same emotional barrier/hang-up with the orthodox physics community
as does the term "chirality"... Hey, twisted mirror images and moles are
hard to swallow for people who have difficulties with the interpretations of
simple relativity... ahahaha...


[Al]

They [who??] might wonder how a foreign researcher [Luo???]
independently discovered what was already known and publicly disclosed,
[in] "Affine vs. Metric Gravitation Parity Test" Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 49(2)
54 (2004) [D9.006] by Alan M. Schwartz (MGLS, Ltd.)

... why he [who?] cannot produce a reason for test mass configuration.
If I were diddling cylinders I would have their height equal their
diameter. The parity Eotvos experiment has their height equal to
sqrt(3) times their radius. It's in Petitjean's math and we've
checked it with explicit QCM calculation of tellurium crystallattice
samplings, http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b36
There's second order stuff beyond moments of inertia, also
inexplicable without Petitjean. ...... ***[same reason as above in (B)]***
I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Uncle Al

[hanson]
.... ahahaha.. OK, uncle Moses... whether it's **"Mine, all mine"** is
ultimately not determined by you, since you didn't fund it AND since
physics happens to be a social enterprise too, whether you & your
Army of Light likes it or not...
So, if I were in your shoes, I'd mend fences, I' be looking for new
allies (and be nice to them, since you want somenthing from them)
and I'd begin to look where, in case of non-null effects of F<>m*b,
[F, the force difference onto chiral vs achiral SiO2 or matter] does
show up in nature. If so, then for instance, one can imagine that a
spatial enrichment difference of different CHI - SiO2 grains in cosmic
nebulae would occur over the eons, and if a /_\ conc., a stratification
of different CHI matter can be detected in some of the galaxies' or
nebulae bands/arms via their IR, Mw or radar spectra, then you
have the "empirical" proof for your "Mine, all mine" notion. == OTOH,
if no effects are to be found anywhere then the entire exercise remains
an intellectual masturbation... But it was fun, respectively, anyway....
Like said, I'd get busy, make friends in the astrophys community and ...
to use your bosom buddies Savain's vernacular ... start to kiss *****
until your lips and tongue are raw.... ahahaha... Get with it, Al! Don't let
this one slip away like your Cockroach repellant or your Diamonds.
[A] ===> Don't bag on the US government. Instead, use your current
notoriety (and team up with an astrodude) and get a fat grant. Once you
have the dough, then and only then can you say it's "Mine, all mine".
Good luck to you. Remember: == It's HOW you say it that matters. ==
....[snipped [**B**] to pacify self-retarding Varney, the Lodo]..... ahahaha....
ahahaha... ahahahanson
.

User: "NunYa Bidness"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 24 Sep 2005 06:08:31 AM
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:54:15 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:


What a lame nerd you are, Varney. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

The saddest part of your life is that you act like a six year old
amongst your peers. And YES, they are your peers.
You're lookin' pretty sad, ahahaha boy.
You need a new act, asswipe.
.
User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 24 Sep 2005 10:04:36 AM
Varney as "NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org>
aka Lodo, the Dreidel "TokaMundo" <TokaMundo@weedizgood.org>
aka
is AGAIN loaded & fully
undun from the effects of his bad weed he'd put into his bong when
he painfully lisped in ....
news:eqcaj19cn1fmks1hugm9lq3239t7pt8oag@4ax.com...

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:54:15 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:

What a lame nerd you are, Varney. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...


[Lodo Varney]

The saddest part of your life is that you act like a six year old
amongst your peers. And YES, they are your peers.
You're lookin' pretty sad, ahahaha boy.
You need a new act, asswipe.

[hanson]
Did Louis crank you, Varney?... sure looks like it... AHAHAHA...
hahaha...ahahanson
.



User: "hanson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 24 Sep 2005 10:04:49 AM
Varney as "NunYa Bidness" <nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org>
aka Lodo, the Dreidel "TokaMundo" <TokaMundo@weedizgood.org>
aka
is AGAIN loaded & fully
undun from the effects of his bad weed he'd put into his bong when
he painfully lisped....
in news:3pi9j1tfo9uh6plc3l1fjvvbhvncds72kd@4ax.com...

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> Gave us: [**B**]

Go for it, Al, or they will go .... ahahaha... AHAHAHA... again, over you...
ahahaha... ahahahanson


[Lodo]

You're an idiot. Ha ha ha, and ahahaha included.
You're about as retarded as a person your age can get.

[hanson]
..... ahahaha... AHAHA... OK, OK, Lodo. Let me redo the post
for your benefit sans the (above [**B**] ) line that so offended you....
despite the fact that you didn't notice, due to your sorry condition,
that you called your Führer of the Army of Light, Al, being "an idiot":
== "uncle Al" + "Ha ha ha" = 472 google group hits.
== "uncle Al" + "Ha ha ha" = 707 google web hits.
Bad scene, Lodo, but thanks for the laughs, again, you poor sod.
ahahaha....ahaha... ahahanson


"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:4333419A.603BFE92@hate.spam.net...

to Mark Fergerson:

[Al]

... the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz comes along with
its own controls - the two hemiparity Eotvos experiments of
each hand of quartz vs. fused silica. In any case, different test
masses can be cut, fabricated, and completely run within four months.
The equipment is qualified from previous classical runs, as are the
protocols for running the thing and analyzing data and errors. The
signal is phase-lock amplified slaved to balance rotation.
Everything external cancels at will.
**** I did it my way and I did it right. ****
**** My people are the best at every step. ****

The loaded rotor is *perfectly* classically balanced to all orders of
mass distribution and moments of inertia. Quartz is quartz to the
limits of fabrication excellence.
A net signal - a big one! - has only one possible origin:
**** left hands vacuum free fall differently from right hands. ****
**** It's Petitjean's CHI what done it. ****

Luo did solid cylinders. Adelberger was assigned solid spheres
at his insistence. Solid pentagonal dodecahedra also qualify.
We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare.
GR is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level.
Hooh-rah. Now, I'm bored again.>

Fergie: weaponization...


[Al]

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" [<=== A]
Real stooopid in real time, but also real paranoid especially
after the fact. Uncle Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice
through channels. Nothing will come of it.

Fergie: "international Big G controversy"?


[Al]

Measured numbers [for G] don't jive big time and nobody can find an
error in disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.

[hanson] (B)
The reason that "nobody can find an error " is not with the experiments.
The root of the problem lays in the fact the Faraday constant (F), (N_A)
Avogadro's #, and Newton's (G) are intertwined and interrelated. Hence
unless NEW relations can be found that do not experimentally connect
these constants with each other, no improvement in accuracy can be
expected. In a first step measurements of FNG pairs should be done
with the hope that a product or ratio of F&G, G&N, N&F etc. will bring
more accurate experimental results. One such composite values are
known to a high accuracy, then rest is easy. = I've posted on this issue
many times in the past. But, of course, especially N_A, the mole, faces
the same emotional barrier/hang-up with the orthodox physics community
as does the term "chirality"... Hey, twisted mirror images and moles are
hard to swallow for people who have difficulties with the interpretations of
simple relativity... ahahaha...


[Al]

They [who??] might wonder how a foreign researcher [Luo???]
independently discovered what was already known and publicly disclosed,
[in] "Affine vs. Metric Gravitation Parity Test" Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 49(2)
54 (2004) [D9.006] by Alan M. Schwartz (MGLS, Ltd.)

... why he [who?] cannot produce a reason for test mass configuration.
If I were diddling cylinders I would have their height equal their
diameter. The parity Eotvos experiment has their height equal to
sqrt(3) times their radius. It's in Petitjean's math and we've
checked it with explicit QCM calculation of tellurium crystallattice
samplings, http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b36
There's second order stuff beyond moments of inertia, also
inexplicable without Petitjean. ...... ***[same reason as above in (B)]***
I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Uncle Al

[hanson]
.... ahahaha.. OK, uncle Moses... whether it's **"Mine, all mine"** is
ultimately not determined by you, since you didn't fund it AND since
physics happens to be a social enterprise too, whether you & your
Army of Light likes it or not...
So, if I were in your shoes, I'd mend fences, I' be looking for new
allies (and be nice to them, since you want somenthing from them)
and I'd begin to look where, in case of non-null effects of F<>m*b,
[F, the force difference onto chiral vs achiral SiO2 or matter] does
show up in nature. If so, then for instance, one can imagine that a
spatial enrichment difference of different CHI - SiO2 grains in cosmic
nebulae would occur over the eons, and if a /_\ conc., a stratification
of different CHI matter can be detected in some of the galaxies' or
nebulae bands/arms via their IR, Mw or radar spectra, then you
have the "empirical" proof for your "Mine, all mine" notion. == OTOH,
if no effects are to be found anywhere then the entire exercise remains
an intellectual masturbation... But it was fun, respectively, anyway....
Like said, I'd get busy, make friends in the astrophys community and ...
to use your bosom buddies Savain's vernacular ... start to kiss *****
until your lips and tongue are raw.... ahahaha... Get with it, Al! Don't let
this one slip away like your Cockroach repellant or your Diamonds.
[A] ===> Don't bag on the US government. Instead, use your current
notoriety (and team up with an astrodude) and get a fat grant. Once you
have the dough, then and only then can you say it's "Mine, all mine".
Good luck to you. Remember: == It's HOW you say it that matters. ==
....[snipped [**B**]to pacify Lodo Varney, the self-molester]..... ahahaha....
ahahaha... ahahahanson
.



User: "Jan Panteltje"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 07:15:21 AM
On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:43:22 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4333419A.603BFE92@hate.spam.net>:

I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen

LOL

folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.
--
Uncle Al

It is really funny :-)
.

User: "Mark Fergerson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 10:15:20 AM
Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:


Phil Holman wrote:

Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.

I'm kinda thinkin' maybe the Equivalence Principle has fallen. Given
the timing vs. experiment duration, it would be an Eotvos factor of
more than 10^(-12) difference/average compared to demonstrated balance
sensitivity of 10^-(13) and my predicted 3x10^(-12). That's a whole
big pile of standard deviations.


If they have some signal, they will want to re-run, and then will test and
test and test for systematic errors.


I tend to concur. After all, great discoveries are usually
heralded by phrases like "I wasn't expecting _that_".

You forget that that the full parity Eotvos experiment in quartz comes
along with its own controls - the two hemiparity Eotvos experiments of
each hand of quartz vs. fused silica. In any case, different test
masses can be cut, fabricated, and completely run within four months.

If it takes _that_ long for MOG's next issue to come out, a lot
of gravitationalistas will be needing Depends...

The equipment is qualified from previous classical runs, as are the
protocols for running the thing and analyzing data and errors. The
signal is phase-lock amplified slaved to balance rotation. Everything
external cancels at will. I did it my way and I did it right. My
people are the best at every step.

I forgot no such thing(s). I meant that the hands-on
experimenters' eyebrows will rise because they fully expected (OK,
were hoping for) a null.

The loaded rotor is *perfectly* classically balanced to all orders of
mass distribution and moments of inertia. Quartz is quartz to the
limits of fabrication excellence. A net signal - a big one! - has
only one possible origin: left hands vacuum free fall differently from
right hands. It's Petitjean's CHI what done it.

A bigger signal oughta put their eyebrows between their scapulae.
See below.

Forget about it.
Years, then it will have to be done in a different way by other groups.


As long as the "different way" looks for the same thing.

Already covered. Luo did solid cylinders. Adelberger was assigned
solid spheres at his insistence. Solid pentagonal dodecahedra also
qualify if you are a little bit Rococo. CNC machining and polishing to
optical standards is no big deal.

Ye gods and little fishhooks; four months _each_? MOG may be
obsolete by then...

MAYBE then we will have something.
Look at the silence from the gravity experiment...


Silence from an experiment expected to confirm or refine known
results may indicate "something unexpected".

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.

So get back in your stinks lab and figure out how to mass-produce
some of those "unmakeable" high-CHI materials you were talking about
earlier this year. Gonna need such stuff for practical apps anyway.
Maybe determine their decomposition products under various
conditions and run the reaction(s) backwards? It works in physics...

I'd think a null result would rate at least a preliminary
announcement. A non-null OTOH would reasonably generate silence
because nobody wants to be the next Pons & Fleischman.

But silence can indeed be significant, especially if somebody
wearing red shoulderboards starts thinking weaponization...

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" Real stooopid in
real time, but also real paranoid especially after the fact. Uncle
Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice through channels. Nothing
will come of it.

Ahem. Right. Lessee, B. J. Clinton gave the ChiComs a long, hard
peek under the hoods of our ballistic missile guidance systems and
got clean away with it, and now you've given them the basics of what
will make nuke warheads completely obsolete. No problem.

I've just come off a mild case of flu; what "international Big G
controversy"?

Measured numbers don't jive big time and nobody can find an error in
disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.

Oh, *****. There must be a location-specific dependence; um, did
any of them consult a local petroleum geologist?

Proximity is not causality, still... and I've been a gadfly about the
ears of MOG personnel while developing the parity Eotvos experiment.


So, Unc might not be on their speed-dial list? ;>)

They might wonder how a foreign researcher independently discovered
what was already known and publicly disclosed,

"Affine vs. Metric Gravitation Parity Test" Bull. Am. Phys. Soc. 49(2)
54 (2004)

and why he cannot produce a reason for test mass configuration. If I
were diddling cylinders I would have their height equal their
diameter. The parity Eotvos experiment has their height equal to
sqrt(3) times their radius. It's in Petitjean's math and we've
checked it with explicit QCM calculation of tellurium crystallattice
samplings,

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/eotvos.htm#b36

There's second order stuff beyond moments of inertia, also
inexplicable without Petitjean.

Really. Stuff like degree of twist?

I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.

Yeah, remember who your supporters were way back when. Even if I
did once mistakenly call you a biochemist.
Mark L. Fergerson
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 03:51:12 PM
Mark Fergerson wrote:


Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:

Phil Holman wrote:


Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.


Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.


So get back in your stinks lab and figure out how to mass-produce
some of those "unmakeable" high-CHI materials you were talking about
earlier this year. Gonna need such stuff for practical apps anyway.
Maybe determine their decomposition products under various
conditions and run the reaction(s) backwards? It works in physics...

[6.6]chiralane was subject to the gentle ministrations of AI org-syn
software. One group boasting of its prowess stopped bothering me.
The other resigned gracefully. I suppose I'll have to think about
it. That never results in anything but ridicule and success.

Yeah, but it's a secret that cannot be kept. This post, for example.
We then ask, "how stooopid is the US government?" Real stooopid in
real time, but also real paranoid especially after the fact. Uncle
Al, being a loyal citizen, has sent notice through channels. Nothing
will come of it.


Ahem. Right. Lessee, B. J. Clinton gave the ChiComs a long, hard
peek under the hoods of our ballistic missile guidance systems and
got clean away with it, and now you've given them the basics of what
will make nuke warheads completely obsolete. No problem.

I contacted appropriate authorities with my concerns. My ***** is
covered. Hell, it was only a hobby - like Pandora opening boxes.

I've just come off a mild case of flu; what "international Big G
controversy"?


Measured numbers don't jive big time and nobody can find an error in
disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.


Oh, *****. There must be a location-specific dependence; um, did
any of them consult a local petroleum geologist?

Not local gee, Big G. Somebody must have oiled a knife edge or
something. The quadrupole pendulum benefits from minimal thickness
and maximal mass/area with maximum stiffness. The published
experiment was a gilded (no static charges) fused silica plate, d=2.20
g/cm^3. One would better pursue full leaded glass (5.2 g/cm^3), cubic
zirconia (d=5.8 g/cm^3), bismuth germanate (7.1 g/cm^3), or lead
tungstate (8.28 g/cm^3). They are all grown to large size and their
transparency allows checking for absolute homogenity.
Platinum-aluminum alloys are very hard (Platigems) and dense. 95%
Platinum alloys with gallium, indium, and copper have high density
(~19 g/cm^3) with high strength steel properties,
95.5% Pt, 3.0% Ga, 1.5% In
95.2% Platinum, 4.8% Ga, In, Cu
1550-1650 C melt
700 C for 30 minutes and slow cool to harden.
1000 C and water quench to soften
Inert gas but not reducing atmopheres
Vickers Hardness 318/Rockwell A 76/Rockwell C 32
125,000 psi tensile
104,000 psi yield
Nobody ever listens to Uncle Al.

I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.


Yeah, remember who your supporters were way back when. Even if I
did once mistakenly call you a biochemist.

Not as bad as being called an engineer. I can't imagine the
imprecation of being called a physicist. At least chemists get laid.
"8^>)
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "Mark Fergerson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 25 Sep 2005 11:42:10 AM
Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:

Phil Holman wrote:


Mid September was slated for the parity test result. What's the latest
Al?


Total silence from PR China for the past 6 weeks to me and also to
co-conspirator academic inquiries. A degreed Mandarin Chinese speaker
has volunteered to pursue this with e-mail, fax, and phone. In
progress.

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.


So get back in your stinks lab and figure out how to mass-produce
some of those "unmakeable" high-CHI materials you were talking about
earlier this year. Gonna need such stuff for practical apps anyway.
Maybe determine their decomposition products under various
conditions and run the reaction(s) backwards? It works in physics...

[6.6]chiralane was subject to the gentle ministrations of AI org-syn
software. One group boasting of its prowess stopped bothering me.
The other resigned gracefully. I suppose I'll have to think about
it. That never results in anything but ridicule and success.

While you're at it, think you can take seriously the concept of a
material with CHI > 1? "Supertwist" comes to mind.

I've just come off a mild case of flu; what "international Big G
controversy"?


Measured numbers don't jive big time and nobody can find an error in
disparate groups' work. At the moment it looks like the Eot-Wash
quadrupole pendulum is in the lead. They are no damned good at
picking materials, though.


Oh, *****. There must be a location-specific dependence; um, did
any of them consult a local petroleum geologist?

Not local gee, Big G.

OK, I Googled. I like this one:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/282/5397/2180
Pictures help us engineers...

Somebody must have oiled a knife edge or something.

I wonder if the German group considered floating their apparatus
on water (after substituting the apparatus' materials for those that
would float on it and weren't wetted by it of course). Might reveal
the source of their "error".

The quadrupole pendulum benefits from minimal thickness
and maximal mass/area with maximum stiffness. The published
experiment was a gilded (no static charges) fused silica plate, d=2.20
g/cm^3. One would better pursue full leaded glass (5.2 g/cm^3), cubic
zirconia (d=5.8 g/cm^3), bismuth germanate (7.1 g/cm^3), or lead
tungstate (8.28 g/cm^3). They are all grown to large size and their
transparency allows checking for absolute homogenity.

Somebody must not be in the habit of reading old science fiction
(the bit about glass Jo-blocks in _Venus Equilateral_).

Platinum-aluminum alloys are very hard (Platigems) and dense. 95%
Platinum alloys with gallium, indium, and copper have high density
(~19 g/cm^3) with high strength steel properties,

95.5% Pt, 3.0% Ga, 1.5% In
95.2% Platinum, 4.8% Ga, In, Cu
1550-1650 C melt

700 C for 30 minutes and slow cool to harden.
1000 C and water quench to soften
Inert gas but not reducing atmopheres
Vickers Hardness 318/Rockwell A 76/Rockwell C 32
125,000 psi tensile
104,000 psi yield

Nobody ever listens to Uncle Al.

If they did, what would you have to complain about?

I think the full parity Eotvos experiment had a net signal to spec
and, like Moses looking at the Promised Land, the guy who performed
the experiment doesn't get the Prize. Mine, all mine - and two dozen
folks who get a check in the mail. They volunteered, they get boons
if and when it works. Other debts to be paid, too.


Yeah, remember who your supporters were way back when. Even if I
did once mistakenly call you a biochemist.

Not as bad as being called an engineer. I can't imagine the
imprecation of being called a physicist. At least chemists get laid.
"8^>)

So do engineers, but we have to disguise ourselves as salesmen
first. :>(
Mark L. Fergerson
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 25 Sep 2005 05:24:22 PM
Mark Fergerson wrote:


Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700) it happened Uncle Al
<UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in <4332F55C.38119820@hate.spam.net>:

Phil Holman wrote:

[snip]

[6.6]chiralane was subject to the gentle ministrations of AI org-syn
software. One group boasting of its prowess stopped bothering me.
The other resigned gracefully. I suppose I'll have to think about
it. That never results in anything but ridicule and success.


While you're at it, think you can take seriously the concept of a
material with CHI > 1? "Supertwist" comes to mind.

[snip]
CHI is normalized in any number of dimensions. CHI=0 is achiral.
CHI=1 is perfect theoretical parity divergence. There is nothing
outside the interval in either direction. Let mathematicians do the
math. Uncle Al only found a *small* mistake in the work. Somewhat
later, sent [6.6]chiralane's structure, NIST rewrote its
stereochemistry assignment software. We suspected we were onto
something.
Artificial intelligence software for chemical synthesis chokes on
[6.6]chiralane, even at assigning a systematic name. Here ya go,
Pilgrim! It starts "tetradecacyclo..." and ends "...heptacosane."
See if you can supply the creamy filling.
;chiralan.hin
forcefield mm+
sys 0
view 40 0.16717 55 15 0.9545546 0.2187459 -0.2024248 0.06143304
-0.8090225 -0.5845584 -0.291636 0.5455573 -0.7856944 2.6954e-018
-3.9392e-018 -55
mol 1
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atom 2 - C ** - 0 0.0261 2.0795 -1.2281 4 16 s 21 s 23 s 28 s
atom 3 - C ** - 0 0 0 0 4 1 s 4 s 7 s 21 s
atom 4 - C ** - 0 0.8868 0.8868 0.8868 4 3 s 8 s 15 s 22 s
atom 5 - C ** - 0 0 0 3.0063 4 6 s 8 s 29 s 30 s
atom 6 - C ** - 0 -1.2281 0.0261 2.0795 4 5 s 7 s 14 s 31 s
atom 7 - C ** - 0 -0.8868 -0.8868 0.8868 4 3 s 6 s 10 s 17 s
atom 8 - C ** - 0 1.2281 -0.0261 2.0795 4 4 s 5 s 9 s 32 s
atom 9 - C ** - 0 1.437 -1.437 1.437 4 8 s 10 s 12 s 33 s
atom 10 - C ** - 0 0.0261 -2.0795 1.2281 4 7 s 9 s 11 s 34 s
atom 11 - C ** - 0 0 -3.0063 0 4 10 s 27 s 35 s 36 s
atom 12 - C ** - 0 2.0795 -1.2281 0.0261 4 1 s 9 s 13 s 37 s
atom 13 - C ** - 0 3.0063 0 0 4 12 s 22 s 38 s 39 s
atom 14 - C ** - 0 -1.437 1.437 1.437 4 6 s 15 s 19 s 40 s
atom 15 - C ** - 0 -0.0261 2.0795 1.2281 4 4 s 14 s 16 s 41 s
atom 16 - C ** - 0 0 3.0063 0 4 2 s 15 s 42 s 43 s
atom 17 - C ** - 0 -2.0795 -1.2281 -0.0261 4 7 s 18 s 20 s 44 s
atom 18 - C ** - 0 -3.0063 0 0 4 17 s 19 s 45 s 46 s
atom 19 - C ** - 0 -2.0795 1.2281 0.0261 4 14 s 18 s 21 s 47 s
atom 20 - C ** - 0 -1.437 -1.437 -1.437 4 17 s 24 s 27 s 48 s
atom 21 - C ** - 0 -0.8868 0.8868 -0.8868 4 2 s 3 s 19 s 24 s
atom 22 - C ** - 0 2.0795 1.2281 -0.0261 4 4 s 13 s 23 s 49 s
atom 23 - C ** - 0 1.437 1.437 -1.437 4 2 s 22 s 26 s 50 s
atom 24 - C ** - 0 -1.2281 -0.0261 -2.0795 4 20 s 21 s 25 s 51 s
atom 25 - C ** - 0 0 0 -3.0063 4 24 s 26 s 52 s 53 s
atom 26 - C ** - 0 1.2281 0.0261 -2.0795 4 1 s 23 s 25 s 54 s
atom 27 - C ** - 0 -0.0261 -2.0795 -1.2281 4 1 s 11 s 20 s 55 s
atom 28 - H ** - 0 -0.3001 2.6076 -2.1192 1 2 s
atom 29 - H ** - 0 -0.0192 -0.8693 3.6565 1 5 s
atom 30 - H ** - 0 0.0192 0.8693 3.6565 1 5 s
atom 31 - H ** - 0 -2.1192 -0.3001 2.6076 1 6 s
atom 32 - H ** - 0 2.1192 0.3001 2.6076 1 8 s
atom 33 - H ** - 0 2.0643 -2.0643 2.0643 1 9 s
atom 34 - H ** - 0 -0.3001 -2.6076 2.1192 1 10 s
atom 35 - H ** - 0 -0.8693 -3.6565 0.0192 1 11 s
atom 36 - H ** - 0 0.8693 -3.6565 -0.0192 1 11 s
atom 37 - H ** - 0 2.6076 -2.1192 -0.3001 1 12 s
atom 38 - H ** - 0 3.6565 -0.0192 -0.8693 1 13 s
atom 39 - H ** - 0 3.6565 0.0192 0.8693 1 13 s
atom 40 - H ** - 0 -2.0643 2.0643 2.0643 1 14 s
atom 41 - H ** - 0 0.3001 2.6076 2.1192 1 15 s
atom 42 - H ** - 0 0.8693 3.6565 0.0192 1 16 s
atom 43 - H ** - 0 -0.8693 3.6565 -0.0192 1 16 s
atom 44 - H ** - 0 -2.6076 -2.1192 0.3001 1 17 s
atom 45 - H ** - 0 -3.6565 -0.0192 0.8693 1 18 s
atom 46 - H ** - 0 -3.6565 0.0192 -0.8693 1 18 s
atom 47 - H ** - 0 -2.6076 2.1192 -0.3001 1 19 s
atom 48 - H ** - 0 -2.0643 -2.0643 -2.0643 1 20 s
atom 49 - H ** - 0 2.6076 2.1192 0.3001 1 22 s
atom 50 - H ** - 0 2.0643 2.0643 -2.0643 1 23 s
atom 51 - H ** - 0 -2.1192 0.3001 -2.6076 1 24 s
atom 52 - H ** - 0 -0.0192 0.8693 -3.6565 1 25 s
atom 53 - H ** - 0 0.0192 -0.8693 -3.6565 1 25 s
atom 54 - H ** - 0 2.1192 -0.3001 -2.6076 1 26 s
atom 55 - H ** - 0 0.3001 -2.6076 -2.1192 1 27 s
endmol 1
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 27 Sep 2005 06:51:09 PM
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:43372396.CF3B0FBA@hate.spam.net...
[snip crap]
The Chinee told you to *****, eh?
Does it burn, stooopid, does it burn?
Psychotic ineducable boring spammer Alan Schwartz,
the royal fuckwit, "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net>
mumble some crap in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...

Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)

What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
[quote]
we establish by definition that the "time" required by a turtle to
travel
from A to B equals the "time" it requires to travel from B to A.
[end quote]
Ref: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
[quote]
For velocities greater than that of a turtle our deliberations become
meaningless; we shall, however, find in what follows, that the velocity
of a turtle in our theory plays the part, physically, of an infinitely
great velocity.
[quote]
Ref: http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
Nothing can go faster than a turtle.
Oops!... Did I say 'a turtle'? Sorry...'light'.
Androcles
.

User: "Mark Fergerson"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 26 Sep 2005 12:08:34 PM
Uncle Al wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

[snip]

[6.6]chiralane was subject to the gentle ministrations of AI org-syn
software. One group boasting of its prowess stopped bothering me.
The other resigned gracefully. I suppose I'll have to think about
it. That never results in anything but ridicule and success.


While you're at it, think you can take seriously the concept of a
material with CHI > 1? "Supertwist" comes to mind.


[snip]

CHI is normalized in any number of dimensions. CHI=0 is achiral.
CHI=1 is perfect theoretical parity divergence. There is nothing
outside the interval in either direction. Let mathematicians do the
math.

Unc, that wasn't up to your usual standards of ridicule; I was
hoping to prod you to do the success part (CHI > 1).
Lessee, spacetime is (possibly) left-handed; how about a high-CHI
molecule whose dexter enantiomer cannot be made because spacetime
refuses to contain it, but its laevo form can? Or is that bad SF?

Uncle Al only found a *small* mistake in the work. Somewhat
later, sent [6.6]chiralane's structure, NIST rewrote its
stereochemistry assignment software. We suspected we were onto
something.

Artificial intelligence software for chemical synthesis chokes on
[6.6]chiralane, even at assigning a systematic name.

Artificial intelligences are naturally stupid.

Here ya go,
Pilgrim! It starts "tetradecacyclo..." and ends "...heptacosane."
See if you can supply the creamy filling.

Not my field, thanks just the same. I can blow stuff up real
good, but I'd never have invented platinum-catalyzed thermites.
Mark L. Fergerson
.





User: "Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 07:34:18 PM
Uncle Al wrote:

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.

I severely doubt there'll be a reproducible non-null, but I hope I'm
wrong.
If you're that confident, you should now be thinking up some kind of
practical use of this phenomenon, if one exists. Can't say I can think
of any off hand....
--
http://cherenkov-radiation.blogspot.com/
.
User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 03:11:46 PM
Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors wrote:


Uncle Al wrote:

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.


I severely doubt there'll be a reproducible non-null, but I hope I'm
wrong.

If you're that confident, you should now be thinking up some kind of
practical use of this phenomenon, if one exists. Can't say I can think
of any off hand....

Grant funding to study other materials, create better predictive
theory, and increase the effect. Macroscopic decoupling of
gravitational and inertial mass says "starship" and "weaponiziation."
Uncle Al *likes* killing the enemy. We don't do nearly enough of it
overseas or domestically.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
.
User: "Traveler"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 03:46:58 PM
Uncle ***** wrote:

Uncle Al *likes* killing the enemy. We don't do nearly enough of it
overseas or domestically.

Anybody who insists on talking about himself in the third person is a
narcissistic *****. ahahaha... You have never contributed ***** to
science and you never will. You are an autistic megalomaniac with a
virulent inferiority complex. It's because of loudmouth assholes like
you that humanity is still talking about time travel and wormholes and
still has not figured out the mechanism of gravity.
So give it up, dipshit. Go play with your lego set and your captain
Kirk figurines and leave science to real thinkers. There are enough
***** kissers in it already. ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
.
User: "NunYa Bidness"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 06:35:17 PM
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:46:58 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:


So give it up, dipshit. Go play with your lego set and your captain
Kirk figurines and leave science to real thinkers. There are enough
***** kissers in it already. ahahaha...

Louis Savain

You're a goddamned retard, boy.
.
User: "Traveler"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 06:55:52 PM
On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:35:17 GMT, NunYa Bidness
<nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:46:58 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:


So give it up, dipshit. Go play with your lego set and your captain
Kirk figurines and leave science to real thinkers. There are enough
***** kissers in it already. ahahaha...

Louis Savain


You're a goddamned retard, boy.

ahahaha... I'd rather be a retard than an ***** kisser. ahahaha... What
does Uncle *****'s ***** smell like today, Varney? ahahaha...
AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
.
User: "platopes"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 09:09:13 PM
Traveler wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:35:17 GMT, NunYa Bidness
<nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:46:58 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:


So give it up, dipshit. Go play with your lego set and your captain
Kirk figurines and leave science to real thinkers. There are enough
***** kissers in it already. ahahaha...

Louis Savain


You're a goddamned retard, boy.


ahahaha... I'd rather be a retard than an ***** kisser.

You're both.
p
.
User: "Traveler"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 23 Sep 2005 09:19:27 PM
On 23 Sep 2005 19:09:13 -0700, "platopes" <platopes@yahoo.com> wrote:


Traveler wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:35:17 GMT, NunYa Bidness
<nunyabidness@nunyabidness.org> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:46:58 -0400, Traveler <traveler@nospam.net>
Gave us:


So give it up, dipshit. Go play with your lego set and your captain
Kirk figurines and leave science to real thinkers. There are enough
***** kissers in it already. ahahaha...

Louis Savain


You're a goddamned retard, boy.


ahahaha... I'd rather be a retard than an ***** kisser.


You're both.

ahahaha... Are you a homosexual, Mitch? Enquiring minds want to know.
ahahaha... A pedophile, maybe? ahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
.


User: "Bob Cain"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 24 Sep 2005 01:52:15 AM
Traveler wrote:

ahahaha... I'd rather be a retard than an ***** kisser. ahahaha... What
does Uncle *****'s ***** smell like today, Varney? ahahaha...
AHAHAHA... ahahaha...

Seems from here that you have an obsession with the male
***** and it's near vicinity as well as penetrations thereof.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
.
User: "Gary Sokolich"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 25 Sep 2005 06:56:07 PM
Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
news:dh2t2r0f1j@enews4.newsguy.com:

Seems from here that you have an obsession with the male
***** and it's near vicinity as well as penetrations thereof.
Bob

Seems from here that that excites you. After all, you do reside in the SF
Bay area where obsession with the male ***** as well as penetrations thereof
are well known. By chance, did your ex-wife dump you because she caught
you exchanging bodily fluids with the boy next door??
.






User: "Eric Gisse"

Title: Re: Eotvos - Status Update 22 Sep 2005 08:15:13 PM
Henry Lemington-Wholeflavors wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Yeah. We're increasingly thinking we did it with sigmas to spare. GR
is fundamentally wrong at the postulate level. Hooh-rah. Now, I'm
bored again.


I severely doubt there'll be a reproducible non-null, but I hope I'm
wrong.

If you're that confident, you should now be thinking up some kind of
practical use of this phenomenon, if one exists. Can't say I can think
of any off hand....

If there is net signal, a crack will appear in the facade covering four
centuries of a confirmed equivalence of gravitational and inertial
mass.
If it is real, the crack will be used to massively uncouple the two
*now different* definitions of mass and with luck, take us to the
stars.
THIS is the *only* reason I care about GR - to take us to the stars. I
want to see humanity reach the stars within my lifetime.
*shakes dice*, c'mon baby, daddy wants a stardrive!


--
http://cherenkov-radiation.blogspot.com/

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